I think I finally cracked it...

[falkor2k15]

I think the HG needs to incorporate the following:

• Non-Random cycles for accurate stats/framework
• Order or Position constant
• Dependency
• Multiple spin events
• Parallel streams, Hedging & Parachuting
• Minimizing negative permutations based on extremes

I think that's pretty much it!

This is how I discovered it:
When there's a dozens repeat there's 62% chance of order 1 or position 1 - but we don't know when it's going to happen
When there's a dozen unique there's about 62% chance of position 3 - but we don't know when it's going to happen
I attempted to play both Order 1 repeats and Position 3 uniques simultaneously across several cycles, i.e. my target was 2 x 62% variable events before adding in a gradual progression, but unfortunately I wasn't having much luck.
I then incorporated different streams and noticed something in terms of dependency - but the dependency was only detectable in hindsight or "when looking back" so to speak; that discovery led naturally to a system that plays almost identical to one of Priyanka's videos:
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=g1RWS1Ar_YM

I always wondered what on earth triggered Priyanka to place a single line bet in the midst of all those halves, dozens and hedge bets. Now I know why!

[stringbeanpc]

Here is a set of live spins from a single 0 wheel,  18 is oldest and 12 is newest

19
19
18
28
2
30
36
28
19
35
27
28
12
4
5
31
17
21
1
0
10
15
7
28
29
13
3
8
21
1
36
10
19
33
36
26
5
9
25
7
10
10
21
8
21
11
14
23
20
9
22
7
29
33
2
8
20
24
33
21
9
18
3
6
30
27
36
20
12

Can you walk us through an example

[bigmoney]

What did you crack ? Writing down numbers
?

[nottophammer]

27 of the starting 37 hit by spin 40.
6 of the remaining non-hit came in over the next 20 spins.
33 of the starting 37 hit in 60 spins.
The TROT & NON-HIT columns show. Up to the 19th non-hit have an average of 2 spins, up to the 26th non-hit have an average of 3 spins and up to the 30th non-hit have an average of 4 spins.

[ati]

I think the HG needs to incorporate the following:

    Non-Random cycles for accurate stats/framework
    Order or Position constant
    Dependency
    Multiple spin events
    Parallel streams, Hedging & Parachuting
    Minimizing negative permutations based on extremes

The term "dependency" is a bit ambiguous. There are various types of dependencies. Two streams of numbers can be dependent, when one depends on the outcome of the other. These are functionally dependent.
And there is statistical dependence which is linked to conditional probability. The well known dozen cycles example, where the end position of a cycle is statistically dependent on the starting position.
Or we can look at starting/ending halves of a cycle, where under the condition of a repeat we are more likely to see a number from the same half that started the cycle. And the opposite, under the condition of a unique, we are more likely to see a number form the other half.
Every spin is a new event, it can be either a repeat or a unique. Every new outcome is dependent on something. I believe this is related to "processes" that rrbb said we should look for.


We know what we need for a winning system, the problem is putting it all together and the lack of creativity. Nothing works straight out of the box.

As Pri said "carefully creating those events to make them dependent is in our hands" and that we need "creative applications".
Dyk said "sometimes we need to cleverly construct the pigeons and the holes"
red said we need to "construct" the bets

[bigmoney]

Well lots of words but no examples

[ati]

There are no examples here, there is no system in this thread. In some threads we discuss theories and ideas, it's not always about systems with fixed set of rules that tells you what to bet when.
One can ignore it and move on, wait for the next thread to see what other people come up with. Or one can start thinking, invest time, energy, and do some actual work.

[falkor2k15]

We need to learn about the concepts before we can come up with an example because there will be multiple applications that may lead to a better understanding. I think the best starting point is EC and Martingale.

If we bet just Low then we can encounter a whole set of losses - equivalent to a set of deadlocks in a Non-Random game - though the progression is irrelevant at this stage as it's all about bet selection:
19 - Lose
32 - Lose
27 - Lose
33 - Lose
25 - Lose
20 - Lose
27 - Lose

How might we know if this is the right time to hedge in a dozen bet or even switch entirely to just a single line so we can handle these situations better? Answer: we don't know because it's completely random!

This is what Priyanka meant when she said that we must find the opposite/parallel game to overcome a deadlock situation.

Now if you construct your ECs in cycles then you have a framework that can indicate when to hedge/parachute!

As Priyanka said we simply start with a fixed template:

It could be playing for the first repeat - or in my case playing only for Order 1 - equivalent to Position 1:


Once we have our fixed template we then have to try to modify it to reduce losses (above a series of Order 2s) based on dependency - but for that we need a parallel stream alongside that is co-dependent and with good synchronicity.



The framework then provides a reference point where you can check on the best moment to hedge/parachute - but it's NOT on the next spin!

[Steve]

we don't know because it's completely random!

This is what Priyanka meant when she said that we must find the opposite/parallel game to overcome a deadlock situation.

If it's random, you're stuck at 1 in 37. You cant beat a random game if your bet selection has random accuracy. It wont matter what elaborate attempts you use, at least with nothing I've seen here or anywhere.

[stringbeanpc]

What did you crack ? Writing down numbers ?

Absolutely Nothing. Just recording spins.

[falkor2k15]

If it's random, you're stuck at 1 in 37. You cant beat a random game if your bet selection has random accuracy. It wont matter what elaborate attempts you use, at least with nothing I've seen here or anywhere.

Yeah it's random, but this is not about the next spin - it's about betting on events instead of spins and understanding that events are dependent on previous events - contrary to individual spins that are independent.

We know that a quad (3/12 streets) has a 25% ratio with a payout of 1:3 on 1 spin;
however, we can stitch Quads out of 2 EC bets across 2 spins instead of 1 (still 1/4 + 1:3).
So now the game is based on every 2 spins, and if we get an early win then we have the option of missing out the next spin and don't need to parlay (or "let it ride") as one would normally - so 2 spins is a lot more flexible.
Likewise, order 1/position 1 for dozens is something that can happen in 1-3 spins;
so we aren't trying to win on the next spin - but on an event that has a variable number of spins.

So what's the difference between single spin vs. multiple spin outcomes? With multiple spin events overlapping in parallel, one outcome becomes dependent on a previous - not possible with static single spin outcomes.

So how do we know when to bring in the next stream - and is it to win the next event - or avoid a losing event in the future as part of our betting plan?


The answer requires Excel to find out:

[Bigbroben]

Falkor,

let's say I was an investor looking for opportunities.  When I'd get to your ''pamphlet'',  I'd see complicated formulas and, mostly, the far right column that claims: Lose! at every spin.

I'd skip to the next.

i think you should make it easier to understand, so we can all understand...

[falkor2k15]

I don't know how to explain it any easier!?

[holy roller]

I agree with what you are saying...in theory; however, I am also agree with BigBroBen I am not quite sure what you are talking about when you show your spreadsheet.

Can you walk us through the numbers that are spun and how you put those in the spreadsheet and then what you are interpreting in your spreadsheet?

I also agree that EC is a great place to start, but I am not sure about Martingale. I have been testing EC lately with flat bet and Martingale. So far I think flat bet is the winner.

[nichedelico]

Probably i didn't understand nothing. But i'm trying a thing based on what i think i've understood ( but i don't know). Bet 2 chips on 1-18 and 1 chip on 1st dozen ( or 19-36 and 3rd dozen ofc). Flat bet if hit consecutives, when a loss, flat bet again, after another loss, start with a super light progression. Until now 300 unit in one hour of play