The "Statistical Imbalance" fallacy

[Kimo Li]

Right. That explains why you have a web site selling 10 different spreadsheets at $50 each, and another page with payment plan options including lesson #1 for which you ask $2000. 

Kimo, can you tell us what you understand by the term 'independent', in regard to roulette outcomes?

Not looking for a sale from members of this forum.
Independent spins, meaning each spin has no mathematical logic to the spin before or after each spin.

[Steeefan2014]

Right. That explains why you have a web site selling 10 different spreadsheets at $50 each, and another page with payment plan options including lesson #1 for which you ask $2000. 

Kimo, can you tell us what you understand by the term 'independent', in regard to roulette outcomes?

Joe, I am pretty sure that everyone of us will pay a certain amount, especially for a HG!! I would, you would, Steve would and the list is very large, I know that.

Also, speaking from the seller point of view: based on the fact that he spent a huge amount of time developing that HG, drained his brains, a lot of effort... it's kind of normal to ask for a revenue for this.

But, considering the fact that there is absolutely no proof that this so called HG is real, considering the fact that nobody can test anything except reading some clues and try to put them all together....

[Kimo Li]

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Let me qualify that, would you pay 36K to make 480,000.00 per year?



I would pay even for a lower amount, to be honest. But... I would need a proof before paying. And I'm sure that you agree with me.

I understand, but you would not qualify for a lesson. You have not read my book.

[Kimo Li]

Tired, good night.

[Joe]

Not looking for a sale from members of this forum.

What's wrong with members of this forum? Do they not meet some of your criteria? What's to stop members of this forum going to your site?

Independent spins, meaning each spin has no mathematical logic to the spin before or after each spin.

Ok, so that means that tracking past spins can have no bearing on future spins, do you agree?

But tracking past spins is essential for using your system, is it not? Do you see the contradiction?

[Steeefan2014]

I understand, but you would not qualify for a lesson. You have not read my book.

Ok, so please enlighten me! You send me to a book! Ok, I'll buy it and read it. After this point, you gained an income. What do I get? Some clues that will send me to another book which I have to buy and get what? Some more clues and you get more money.

Bottom line - I get some clues, you get rich. I have no problem with you getting rich. You deserve it. But still, you know that saying: help me help you. Give something real in return!

[Joe]

But, considering the fact that there is absolutely no proof that this so called HG is real, considering the fact that nobody can test anything except reading some clues and try to put them all together....

Exactly. Of course I would expect to pay a large sum for the HG, but before doing so I would expect some pretty good evidence that the system works as claimed. Kimo is offering none and asks us to buy on 'a leap of faith'. Handing over 26k based on his word alone is a pretty big leap. It's not as though he couldn't provide the proof if he wanted to; the fact that he chooses not to speaks volumes.

[Steve]

Not only doesnt he provide proof. There are some serious red flags and contradictions.

Also I haven't seen even one thing that supports his claims.

[Steeefan2014]

Besides that, I have a theory...

There are tens of thousands of books, courses, speakers out there saying and teaching how to get rich, how to earn enough money for an awesome lifestyle for yourself and 3 generations after you're gone. IMO, why would you waste your time and ask for money for that? Why don't you apply it yourself. Because if it works, you will not have time to share it, to write books about it, to travel all over the world to speak about it and - at the same time - to be paid for that.

You start doing all that when you see it's not working anymore for you, when your income is getting low! OFC, there are exceptions, but still.... 

[carvigno]

Ok, so that means that tracking past spins can have no bearing on future spins, do you agree?
But tracking past spins is essential for using your system, is it not? Do you see the contradiction?

It is all about tendencies, frecuencies, rhytm, sincronicity, etc turning into data the outcome a random outfit ( wheel, rng, taking the numbers from a bag also) produces. I believe Kimo Li advocates these are key concepts for different plays.

Playing roulette is like music and dancing.  Roulette makes the music and you have to dance accordingly or stumble. If roulette is playing rock & roll you can be dancing rock & roll,  tango or
whatever, ok? But tango would be the wrong dance for that music. So playing roulette is an ART.
Stiff systems with rules and progressions fail coz they teach you to dance tango for example. You only win when roulette play tango music. What happens when tango music is missing for a certain period of time? You bust your bankroll, easy peasy   

Tracking spins let you look for the current ‘frequency’ or rhythm of the table. You dance accordingly. If music changes you stop dancing and try to catch up with the new melody so as to start dancing again. You'll stumble many times along the process of course. That's why you have a bankroll. If you are more time dancing than stumbling then you have a profit.
As every dance you can learn it! Some have the talent to become super dancers others can become just good. But there will be no ‘dream-dancers’ anymore, that is one thing that we need to cope with, isnt it?

In the end, no tracking data, no knowledge of such data peculiarities, is like being deaf to music.

[carvigno]

You start doing all that when you see it's not working anymore for you, when your income is getting low! OFC, there are exceptions, but still....

Then Kimo Li must be one of those rare exceptions to the rule.
I studied his book thoroughly. It gave me the knowledge and a tool to develope strategies to play roulette successfully. I just paid for his book and nothing else. Kimo Li knows it.
I believe i'm deft enough to be level with those taking his lesson one. It's been a long, tough way studying, thinking out of the box to develope sound strategies to win more than i lose.

[Joe]

There is no way they will ever figure out the hg without taking a lesson.

Isn't that a little arrogant? Well apparently you're wrong, because carvigno has done it. Or at least, he's figured out how to win consistently with only the information in your book. Assuming he's telling the truth and has not just hit a lucky streak, of course.

[Joe]

In the end, no tracking data, no knowledge of such data peculiarities, is like being deaf to music.

It's amazing how people fail to understand the meaning of the term 'independent'. If spins are independent it means that tracking data has no merit because knowledge of past spins doesn't give you information about future spins. You can call it frequencies or tendencies or rhythm or whatever, but all those concepts imply using past spins to predict future spins. As Kimo himself said above :

each spin has no mathematical logic to the spin before or after each spin.

Which entails that each past sequence of spins also has no connection to future sequences of spins.

If you're winning I'm happy for you and hope it continues, but if you're winning because you're using past spins it means that spins aren't independent after all. If Kimo agrees with your previous post it means that he believes that spins are both independent and dependent at the same time.  Even God can't break the laws of logic, so Kimo must be greater than God. 

[Steeefan2014]

It's amazing how people fail to understand the meaning of the term 'independent'. If spins are independent it means that tracking data has no merit because knowledge of past spins doesn't give you information about future spins. You can call it frequencies or tendencies or rhythm or whatever, but all those concepts imply using past spins to predict future spins. As Kimo himself said above :

Which entails that each past sequence of spins also has no connection to future sequences of spins.

If you're winning I'm happy for you and hope it continues, but if you're winning because you're using past spins it means that spins aren't independent after all. If Kimo agrees with your previous post it means that he believes that spins are both independent and dependent at the same time.  Even God can't break the laws of logic, so Kimo must be greater than God. 

Good one, the one with "greater than God"

BUT... let's take it like this: we all know that the outcome of the next spin is "random" and independent of the last one. The ball rolls over and there's 1/37 chances to hit a specific number, 1/12 chances to hit a specific dozen and so on... Here we can say that the spins are independent.

Still there is a dependency to the last outcomes. I mean... if you had 36 different numbers in the previous 36 spins, the possibility that the 37 spin would be the last unhit number is very, very low. The truth is somewhere in the middle. And, with all the modesty in the world, I am not greater than God! 

[-Katalyst-]

Not looking for a sale ....
Independent spins, meaning each spin has no mathematical logic to the spin before or after each spin.

It's amazing how people fail to understand the meaning of the term 'independent' ...
Which entails that each past sequence of spins also has no connection to future sequences of spins ...
logic ...

- "independent" 
- everything leaves a print

What's wrong with members of this forum?

Kimo has not come on here looking for a sale - infact he came on here to challenge what the OP has/had concluded from his findings ....post haste with the crucification ....doesn’t always have its merit or place


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