BetVoyager is a reliable and fair casino?

[Darek]

Hi all,

I would like to ask you if you have any practical experience at BetVoyager casino and you can clearly confirm that it is a fair casino?
Of course, I'm interested in this casino because of No-Zero Roulette.

I know the basics of them "Betvoyager Fairness Control" and that they take 10% from winning No-Zero Roulette, so let's leave it and let's not talk about it because I mean your practical experiences or relationships of reliable people you know.

Roulette without zero, this is the only gambling game that interests me and a few years ago I had a little fun with free spins, but this casino had a lot of negative comments and I never played there.

Roulette without zero, this is the only gambling game that interests me and a few years ago I had a little fun with free spins, but this casino had a lot of negative comments and I never played there, although I was very, very tempted.

Now I have started to be interested in it again, I can see that they have been on the market for so many years and I do not know if they are reliable or because people are easily fooled, they do not think clearly, because the lack of ZERO gives the feeling of easy winning.

[Joe]

I've never played there and it seems they don't accept UK players anyway for some reason, but don't think that because there is no edge it will make winning easy. The long term result will be break-even if you don't have an edge in your favor, but still, it's better than standard one zero roulette, and you get the most benefit when playing a lot of numbers.

But it seems they take a cut of your winnings?

[Kairomancer]

If they make a cut, then the payout is short to make it break even.

[Darek]

But it seems they take a cut of your winnings?

Yes, they collect 10% of the winnings after the session is over.
Here's a thread about this:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16853.0

My English is poor and I can't explain it to convince someone, but the 10% charged at the end of the session is nothing compared to the possibilities and safety offered by betting on the board without zero.
It all looks too good - very low rates, no zero and therefore I have doubts whether everything is OK.

People write that BetVoyager does not have to cheat, because it has these 10% and earns on it.
No, in practice it works differently than a typical casino advantage during the game - 35/37 or RBBR0RBBRR0 etc.

[Darek]

If they make a cut, then the payout is short to make it break even.

I am sorry, because of the translation I am not sure - did you also write about this 10% fee?

If so, my answer to JOE is also common to you.

[ati]

I'm not sure what your actual question is, but in the past I played a lot of real money spins on Betvoyager, (over a hundred thousand) and I don't think it is rigged or anything like that. A couple years ago my country has tightened up laws regarding online gambling, so now I can only access BV through a VPN.
With regard to withdrawals, unfortunately I'm not able to comment on that as I always lost my money, but I did withdraw a small amount at one point without any issues.
There are some members who were able to withdraw tens of thousands.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16053.msg139566#msg139566
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15635.msg166814#msg166814
I'm sure BV don't try to steal player's money, otherwise the net would be full of negative reviews.

[Darek]

I'm not sure what your actual question is

Thank you very much with your reply. 

In my first question, I do not ask about the integrity of BetVoyager in terms of withdrawing money from them, but whether they DO NOT MANIPULATE THE ONLINE RULING RESULTS.
Of course, I mean, if someone playing there had such suspicions, because at 100% nobody will say if it's OK or not OK.

I found such doubts, after which I decided to ask:

1)

I thought BetVoyager had an honest RNG.  Who would have thought the casino was dishonest?

link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16853.0

2)
"Betvoyager claims to provide players with a rock-solid way for players to verify game outcomes are fair and random. They do this by allowing you to download an encrypted zip file containing the spin outcomes that will occur in the future. Then after the spins have occurred, they give you a password to check the winning numbers.

However, it is still possible for one password to decrypt one file, but not another. So multiple passwords could be used. I’m not saying Betvoyager is doing this. They already have an in-built advantage with the 10%, so wouldn’t need to cheat. I’m just saying their fairness control is not acceptable proof of fairness. The only acceptable proof of fairness should be certified fair random by a modernized gaming authority."
link:s://:.roulettephysics.com/betvoyager-no-zero-roulette/

[Mister Eko]

Worst rigged online casino ever.

[Darek]

Worst rigged online casino ever.

Short: W H Y?

[Darek]

@ATI: I found something like 2 years ago (Jan 19, 2018) - is it current and also applies to roulette No-Zero?
Betvoyager Casino Review "Unethical Marketing":
link:s://:.casinomeister.com/casino-reviews/betvoyager/

[ati]

No, they don't do that anymore and it has nothing to do with games and the fairness of the casino. This proves that you can't even trust independent reviews. The person gave it a 1 out of 10 score, and only because of a very bad marketing choice made by the casino 4 or 5 years ago. (it didn't happen in 2018)
They made people spam online forums to receive their tournament winnings. I too participated in that tournament and had to write a spam post to receive my â,¬200.

It is best if you try casinos yourself. Just deposit â,¬10 or any small amount and play at the lowest stakes. Then you can decide if you like it or not.

[Darek]

No, they don't do that anymore and it has nothing to do with games and the fairness of the casino. This proves that you can't even trust independent reviews. The person gave it a 1 out of 10 score, and only because of a very bad marketing choice made by the casino 4 or 5 years ago. (it didn't happen in 2018)
They made people spam online forums to receive their tournament winnings. I too participated in that tournament and had to write a spam post to receive my â,¬200.

This is an important answer, because from what I see, you are one of the few people who refer specifically to the subject and have practice at BetVoyager - and that is what I mean the most.
I have touched on this topic in several forums and I often have the impression that people respond to me without knowing the practice, only having some long-heard and outdated information.

[Samuel65]

A lot of people had bad experiences with that casino,

[huskerdu]

A few years ago, I played a 12 step Martingale EC random. What I mean is that :
Before every game, I wrote down a random series of 12 outcomes eg BRRBRBRRBBBR. Different for every game.
Then I started my game betting that this random series shouldn't come out playing  with a 12 step martingale. The probabilities to lose were 1 / 4.096 . So theoritically after 4.095 wins I should expect a losing game. I lost on my 8th game!!!
I gave up.
One gear later I gave it another try
I played the law of the third starting with 1 cent with progression. Unfortunately,  after so many years playing this shstem, It was the first time in my life that I saw 33 unique numbers in 37 spins!!! With base bet of 1 cent on every betting number, I lost 200 euros in this game!!!
Since then I never played in BV.
I cannot say that I lost because of rigged RNG, I just want to share my weird experience with BV....

[Steve]

Your loss has nothing to do with BV. And nothing to do with the "rare event".

It had to do with probability vs payout, whatever happened, whenever it happened. The law of a third is just random bets, that only looks like a pattern, to you.