Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[amk]

Coronavirus test inaccurate

link:s://theinfectiousmyth.com/book/CoronavirusPanic.pdf

[Steve]

What does the federal reserve have to do with covid-19? You seem fixated on the banking system - all conspiracies seem to lead to it!

The government loans money through bonds, institutional investors like banks buy the bonds using our money, and money they made from nothing via the fractional reserve banking system.

It means when new money is created, the banks own it. The value of the money comes from existing money, and it devalues existing money. This is known as inflation.

This means government debt, that we pay with our taxes, go to banks. It is legal theft.

Imagine being able to make money from nothing, then invest with that new money, and if the investment loses, you get to legally steal from others (your customers) to recover your investment. That's exactly what banks do.

It's not conspiracy theory. Its fact. So pull your head out and properly understand fractional reserve banking, and bail out laws.

There's much more going on than banking conspiracies. Its a conspiracy because it is done with the average joe being clueless. If enough people fully understood it, the government would be lynched. For now, average joes are clueless.

I only used that as an example because the proof is even in official banking documents, if you can understand them. Which you haven't.

I read the article from the bank of Chicago which you uploaded.

Maybe, but you haven't understood it or you wouldn't be asking certain questions, or saying particular things.

Well, you could provide some hard evidence and not just speculation, hindsight bias, and confirmation bias. That would help convince more people. The problem is you and other conspiracy theorists don't seem to be capable of telling them apart.

Again you haven't understood the banking system. Its only conspiracy theory to people who don't understand it.

link:s://:.bankrate.com/banking/federal-reserve/federal-reserve-misconceptions/

Looks like you chose a random page hoping it supported your arguments. Youre still not understanding. None of it appears relevant. And when people say "banks print money", it refers to the creation of new money in accounts as loans, not physical cash.

[Joe]

The government loans money through bonds, institutional investors like banks buy the bonds using our money, and money they made from nothing via the fractional reserve banking system.

It means when new money is created, the banks own it. The value of the money comes from existing money, and it devalues existing money. This is known as inflation.

This means government debt, that we pay with our taxes, go to banks. It is legal theft.

Imagine being able to make money from nothing, then invest with that new money, and if the investment loses, you get to legally steal from others (your customers) to recover your investment. That's exactly what banks do.

It's not conspiracy theory. Its fact. So pull your head out and properly understand fractional reserve banking, and bail out laws.

This is an oversimplification and misrepresentation of what is actually an extremely complex system (I'm talking about the federal reserve). I don't pretend to understand it completely, even professional economists struggle to, and I'm sure you don't either.

The fractional reserve systems means that banks only hold a fraction of their deposits, with the remainder being used for loans. Someone who finds this outrageous and thinks that banks should do nothing with the deposits would probably not have much to say if you asked them where the interest comes from on their savings accounts, lol.

I did a little digging and discovered the book 'The Creature from Jekyll Island', which seems to be the bible for anti-fed conspiracy theories. Obviously I haven't read the book, although it seems to be popular judging by reviews on Amazon, but I did find out something about the author G. Edward Griffin.

G. Edward Griffin (born November 7, 1931) is an American author, filmmaker, and conspiracy theorist. Griffin's writings promote a number of views and conspiracy theories regarding various of his political, defense and health care interests. In his book World Without Cancer, he argued in favor of a pseudo-scientific theory that asserted cancer to be a nutritional deficiency curable by consuming amygdalin.[2][3][4] He is the author of The Creature from Jekyll Island (1994), which promotes false theories about the motives behind the creation of the Federal Reserve System.[2][5] He is an HIV/AIDS denialist, supports the 9/11 Truth movement, and supports a specific John F. Kennedy assassination conspiracy theory.[2] He also believes that the biblical Noah's Ark is located at the Durupınar site in Turkey.[6]

link:s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Edward_Griffin

hmm... 

This is a guy who endorses 'chemtrails', one of the nuttier conspiracy theories which says that the trails left by aircraft are chemical or biological agents deliberately released (by the government) for some unspecified nefarious purposes. It's bat-shit crazy stuff. 

Looks like you chose a random page hoping it supported your arguments.

No, it's not a 'random' page because it addresses some of your misconceptions, and the site is a credible source of information, being an award-winning financial services company. It's obvious you haven't read it.

But you didn't answer my question, Steve. What has any of this got to do with covid-19, which is the subject of this thread?

[Joe]

Idiot conspiracy theorists :

link:s://:.bbc.co.uk/news/52168096

[Joe]

Just to be clear, I'm not saying the banks are blameless in this crisis.

[Roulettebeater]

Australia is a huge country, yet there is still not many cases.
is it because the warm weather there?

[Joe]

Australia is big by area but the population is only about 25M. There is some evidence that warmer countries aren't getting as many cases, e.g. African countries and India, but too soon to tell yet. Australia is doing a lot of testing though.

A lot of stats here:
link:s://:.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[winforus]

Steve, lately I've been seeing theories that 5G is behind the coronavirus. This video has been taken down, where a man claims to be a former Vodafone executive, he mentioned some of the things that you did, like them planning out to roll out a global digital currency, etc. Would appreciate if you could watch and gives us your take on how credible this info is, and weather you agree/disagree with it:

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=QGDQcxbqK-8

[Joe]

I already posted about this above. It's 'complete rubbish', as even a little thought would tell you.

link:s://:.bbc.co.uk/news/52168096

[Steve]

The fractional reserve systems means that banks only hold a fraction of their deposits, with the remainder being used for loans.

NO. It means they only need 10% of the money they loan out. That 10% is typically money their customers deposit. The money they loan out is made out of thin air. It didnt exist before.

I already published material that explains it. Also see link:s://:.investopedia.com/articles/investing/022416/why-banks-dont-need-your-money-make-loans.asp where the key points are:

* Banks are thought of as financial intermediaries that connect savers and borrowers.

* However, banks actually rely on a fractional reserve banking system whereby banks can lend in excess of the amount of actual deposits on hand.

* This leads to a money multiplier effect. If, for example, the amount of reserves held by a bank is 10%, then loans can multiply money by up to 10x.

Like I said:

Imagine being able to make money from nothing, then invest with that new money, and if the investment loses, you get to legally steal from others (your customers) to recover your investment. That's exactly what banks do. It's not conspiracy theory. Its fact. So pull your head out and properly understand fractional reserve banking, and bail out laws.

This discussion started by you criticizing me as a conspiracy "theorist", whereas I explained I deal with conspiracy "fact". Real conspiracies.

There are many real conspiracies. I only explained banking because there's enough blatantly clear and verifiable information to prove beyond any doubt it's real. One problem is most people have no idea how the banks are secretly stealing from us. It's legal fraud. It's probably the biggest fraud to have ever existed in our entire history.

The banks are mostly seen as faceless entities. But there are real people behind them. And they're ruthless and couldn't give a crap about you, me or anyone. You are aware banks are ruthless, but you don't yet know how deep the rabbit hole goes. And, you are dismissing real conspiracies because of conspiracy theory garbage.

I did a little digging and discovered the book 'The Creature from Jekyll Island', which seems to be the bible for anti-fed conspiracy theories. Obviously I haven't read the book, although it seems to be popular judging by reviews on Amazon, but I did find out something about the author G. Edward Griffin.

I have no idea who he is and ever reads his books. Isn't this a "strawman" argument? Stick to what's relevant.

On the note of this guy and some of what he believes, I'd say he's right about some things, and not about others. It's typically that people who research conspiracies sometimes get parts wrong. Who do you know that's 100% right about everything? Does sometimes being wrong discredit everything? Focus on the message, and proof you can verify, rather than the messenger.

I see it all the time, Joe. You've truly, sincerely got little idea of what's really going on. I'd sincerely like to help you, but at the moment you seem more concerned with being right, than actually finding the truth.

Also, Wikipedia is loaded with biased and manipulative information. To see this first-hand, you need to really know your stuff. It happens on key issues. Whether it's part of the conspiracy, or just genuinely clueless editors, who knows. When it comes to proving a banking conspiracy, your ultimate proof is:

* The laws and policies themselves, and
* How those laws were deviously and manipulatively passed.

You are only seeing snippets of it Joe, without properly understanding it. We're right in the middle of a crisis, and I'm not talking about the Coronavirus. The virus is only part of the picture. Wherever the virus came from, and whether or not it's deliberate, it is at the very least being used as a tool to push agendas which are unquestionably a conspiracy. Banking is just one part, and a big part.

This is a guy who endorses 'chemtrails', one of the nuttier conspiracy theories which says that the trails left by aircraft are chemical or biological agents deliberately released (by the government) for some unspecified nefarious purposes. It's bat-shit crazy stuff.

Not as batshit crazy as you'd expect. If you do proper research, you'll the chemtrails are real. BUT exactly what the trails are is unclear. Based on my own research, I believe they are partially aluminum. In some cases yes it's condensation. But there's enough evidence from pilots and whistleblowers to indicate there are also real chemtrails.

So I think the real question is WHY. And there are many theories, like weather modification, biological agents etc. I don't know. But there's certainly secrets being kept about it, so I'm not sure we'd approve of it.

Yes I know there are batshit crazy theories, Joe. But if that's all you focus on, you're missing it. You're being shortsighted.

No, it's not a 'random' page because it addresses some of your misconceptions, and the site is a credible source of information, being an award-winning financial services company. It's obvious you haven't read it.

Actually no. Again, the debunked theories on that page are not relevant to what I've said. I'm talking about how the fractional reserve system works, and banks make money from nothing. That's not mere theory.

Maybe you Googled" banking conspiracy theory" and thought that would somehow put me in my place. Sorry. You haven't understood what is being said.

It's obvious you haven't read it.

Actually, I have read it. Which is why I said it's not relevant. And I only highlighted the part about "printing money", and how they took it out of context. Even an economist often uses the term "printing money", without referring to physical cash.

But you didn't answer my question, Steve. What has any of this got to do with covid-19, which is the subject of this thread?

I did answer it. Maybe I wasn't clear enough.

Again, even if this virus wasn't engineered or somehow deliberate. It's certainly possible. There are people and groups with the power and motives to do this. I said whether or not this was a conspiracy, at the very least, it is being used to push agendas that are very real conspiracies.

Some of those very real conspiracies are:

* Increasing the amount of bank loans, which gives the entire banking establishment an immense boost in wealth - like owning the world, which they basically already do. Read what I said about government bonds. We are being stolen from. It's legal fraud on a mass scale.

What I suspect we'll see next is the below, which are ALREADY happening, although Coronavirus has given it a boost:

* Financial calamity, and we'll be presented with an apparently good solution, which will ultimately end in a push towards global digital currency. It could be something like debt being forgiven, or some other irresistible trojan horse. The financial crisis will be blamed on Coronavirus, when in fact the whole system was already a disaster. We'll see things like "go digital cash, stop spread of germs" etc. Many convenient excuses. This will eventually lead into microchip implants, although that may be some time into the future - at least, that's what their plan is. They have ALREADY tried to implement it, but it was rejected. Some countries are still doing trials with it, so it's certainly on the cards still.

* Greater digital surveillance.

There's much more. I know you really dont see it Joe. But this whole planet and it's people is being f*cked from all angles. It's everywhere. It's so widespread that you'd be looking right at it and not even know. Because we've been conditioned.

Again at the very least, Coronavirus is being exploited by groups with agendas. Many different agendas. This isn't theory. It is fact.

Like after 911, the whole world changed. New agendas for totalitarian control were pushed. And people were supporting it, because they were scared. They wanted to feel more safe. Was 911 a conspiracy? I personally think at least key groups knew about the imminent attacks, and they were allowed to happen. The terrorists who actually did the deed would have had no idea about the bigger picture. I don't buy many things, like those buildings falling like they did. They were in free-fall. There's no shortage of experienced people saying irrefutably the buildings were purposefully demolished.

Another particularly suspicious thing was the president of the USA was in business with the family of the apparently #1 wanted terrorist in the world. The Bush and Bin Laden family were in business. Now what are the chances of that being mere coincidence?

But what shortsighted people think is the government wouldn't do this kind of thing. The "blinder" is we're not talking about the government. We're talking about a bunch of ruthless super-wealthy elite who get into positions of power. It's not that they specifically are the government. It's more they infiltrate the government.

People need to understand there are criminals, even in high places. Is it so difficult to believe such people exist? In reality, the world is full of people who have the will. But most don't have the capability.

You may not believe it Joe, but it's all around you. You'll eventually see it. I'm not interested in arguing you for the sake or arguing and proving a point. If you are genuinely interested in knowing more, do the research. You don't even have your foot in the door at this stage. Sift through the piles of bullshit, and focus on facts you can verify. Don't waste time on flat earth shit, and don't let flat earth shit lead you away from real conspiracies.

Another thing you may not know yet is it takes more than intelligence. It also takes consciousness and your gut feeling to know when something is not right. It points you in the right direction, then you can validate the truth with verifiable facts.

I spend time on all this to sincerely help people, so hope people get something from it. I do a lot more elsewhere though.

[Steve]

Two other points:


1. The WHO state warmer weather makes no difference. I'm not sure why they say this because actually it does (although indirectly):

a. Sunlight gives us vitamin D, which is important for healthy immune system. In fact ordinary sunlight can make a huge difference in pneumonia patients. I better understood it because one of close family members had pneumonia, and I did a lot of research to understand it. So we regularly took them out in the sun. The ICU has no sunlight. That's a problem.

b. You're more likely to be out in sunlight if the weather is warmer.

Sunlight doesn't mean you wont get infected though. It is only part of a normal healthy immune system. It's like saying garlic improves your immune system, and improves your chances, but it is only part of the picture.


2. If you mean 5G allegedly causes the virus, I seriously doubt that. It would be physically possible to create anything with electromagnetic waves, but that technology would be so far more advanced.

Although I think people are more saying 5G weakens the immune system. I would say that would be TRUE of any incoherent radiation.

Living organisms and cells exist from harmonic energy, we'd know as a DNA spiral. Any incoherent radiation can disrupt that harmonic flow of energy. Remember DNA is at its root harmonic energy. Existing mobile phone radiation can easily cause cancer. Back decades ago, my girlfriend (ex) was addicted to her mobile phone. She developed cancer in her ear. That was the first personal case. Since then I've come into enough information and cases, and understood how cells react to toxins or radiation, to know reasonably that radiation certainly can and does lead to cancer. And likewise, radiation can weaken DNA and cell structure.

Cancer is basically corrupted DNA. The cells dont behave normally, and junk cells are grown instead of normal healthy cells. The junk cells are cancer cells.

5G is a higher frequency and more intense radiation. So I'd say it's inevitable that it will adversely affect immune systems and health. But would I blame 5G on the Coronavirus? No. But YES, it would make matters worse, because it would be bad for health. Good for business though, which is the whole point.

The way 5G is being rolled out, and how it has bypassed safety standards (among other things), I'd say we aren't being told everything about it. I think the primary reason for it is the Internet of Things, which is basically "big data" - for varied purposes. Basically, big business. With 5g, the Internet of Things will be possible. It has nothing to do with downloading videos or any of that crap. 4g does all that just fine.

[Steve]

And I think Australia's curve is flattening more quickly because we have more land, and fewer people.

[amk]

Malaria drug very effective against the virus

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=NyDjJ5ytc54

[Joe]

Steve, regarding the whole banking and wider conspiracy thing, I think you're paranoid, but we'll have to agree to disagree. And this thread is about coronavirus so I would prefer to stay on topic.

Although I think people are more saying 5G weakens the immune system. I would say that would be TRUE of any incoherent radiation.

Living organisms and cells exist from harmonic energy, we'd know as a DNA spiral. Any incoherent radiation can disrupt that harmonic flow of energy. Remember DNA is at its root harmonic energy. Existing mobile phone radiation can easily cause cancer.

It's certainly true that 5G cannot transmit the virus, which is passed on between infected people. And even if it could be, the theory would make no sense because there are places (such as cities in the UK) where the virus is spreading but there is no 5G yet.

There is no evidence that 5G can affect your immune system and a lot of studies have been done on this. Some radio waves can have a heating effect which may affect the immune system, but the energy levels from 5G waves are tiny, they're just not powerful enough to damage cells.

The radio wave band, which is used for mobile phone networks, is non-ionising, meaning that it doesn't have enough energy to break apart DNA and cause cellular damage. That means it can't cause cancer. The WHO said in 2014 that 'no adverse health effects have been established as being caused by mobile phone use'. Again, there have been a very large number of studies on this. Look for any reputable and reliable scientific source (not some youtuber in his mum's basement, lol) and they will tell you the same thing.

link:s://:.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-cancer/cancer-controversies/do-mobile-phones-cause-cancer

In spite of the clear evidence against it, idiots like David Icke continue spread the conspiracy, and youtube announced yesterday that they will be removing all videos which link 5G to the virus. Whatsapp have also added restrictions.

link:s://:.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52198946

[Joe]

Malaria drug very effective against the virus

Always check other sources!

link:s://:.theguardian.com/science/2020/apr/06/coronavirus-cure-fact-check-hydroxychloroquine-trump

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