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[Joe]

And about other conspiracies, me not bothering to explain it to you is much like an educated person not bothering to explain to newbies why roulette repeaters doesn't work. They newbies are just so far behind. Sorry Joe, when you know better you're in for the shock of your life.

Steve, you've been spouting this conspiracy drivel for years, I've read some of your old posts. None of your predictions have come true. Recently you've become a bit more rational in your views, but I see the old biases are still there.

And when challenged, you just patronize people but don't have any real arguments. I can see through you better than most.

[Steve]

Show me my predictions you're referring to. Be very specific.

Then i want you to prove to me banks dont plot to make money in conspiracies. I want you to demonstrate QE is good for us, rather than being covert theft.

Then please indicate the probability that we are the only life forms in the universe. Aliens are crazy talk, right?

[Steve]

Besides having sufficient reasonable proof, which i have, i like many others "feel" whats going on. For many people, thats enough. I rely both on reasonable proof, and that feeling, that things aren't right.

If you aren't aware of the problems, you haven't reached a particular level. Im not saying this to insult you. Its something you'd only understand if you were there.

Keep going to work. Keep paying your taxes. The system is looking out for you. Everything is good.

Youre not the only one, and we've all been there.

Believe it or not, we're in the middle of a big change in everything.  Its not that it hasn't happened. Its happening right now.

[Bigbroben]

Besides having sufficient reasonable proof, which i have, i like many others "feel" whats going on. For many people, thats enough. I rely both on reasonable proof, and that feeling, that things aren't right.

Believe it or not, we're in the middle of a big change in everything.  Its not that it hasn't happened. Its happening right now.

I agree to that!

[-Katalyst-]

“ And by the way, aliens exist.

Probably, reptillian aliens exist. And probably particular alien races are influencing our progress for their benefit.

So out there, right?”

Yes. Whatever. If you like wearing a tinfoil hat, keep doing it. Whatever floats your boat.

- perhaps it’s you that needs to walk a bit more ....and then you will see we all have our origins from an alien form/race
....mmm might be too much for this forum 

[Joe]

Besides having sufficient reasonable proof, which i have, i like many others "feel" whats going on. For many people, thats enough. I rely both on reasonable proof, and that feeling, that things aren't right.

Yes, it's called paranoia. Where is the 'reasonable' proof that the C-virus was deliberate?  Feelings aren't enough, but unfortunately most people don't know how to think. The education system has a big part to play in this (grounds for another conspiracy theory? Well there might be something to it, actually).

If you aren't aware of the problems, you haven't reached a particular level. Im not saying this to insult you. Its something you'd only understand if you were there.

More patronizing 'I have reached a superior level of consciousness' drivel.

Keep going to work. Keep paying your taxes. The system is looking out for you. Everything is good.

Straw man.

Youre not the only one, and we've all been there.

Aww shucks, thanks Steve. 

Believe it or not, we're in the middle of a big change in everything.  Its not that it hasn't happened. Its happening right now.

Here I agree with you. But I bet  you deny the biggest challenge we face as a species, don't you?

Believing in conspiracy theories isn't harmless; it has real and dangerous consequences. Perhaps you didn't realize that? The trouble with conspiracy theory addicts is that they need them to bolster their self-image, so appealing to facts doesn't work, because the need for a positive self-image is stronger than the need for truth. They need to feel that they have privileged and 'inside' information (which of course isn't, because it's available to everyone) and tend to be rather isolated individuals. 

I'm not saying that's your profile exactly, but you do have a chip on your shoulder. It seems like the 'establishment' is always the enemy, and that includes science, too, apparently. The establishment isn't perfect, but don't make the mistake of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

[Joe]

....mmm might be too much for this forum

I don't think so, LOL!

[Kali49]

Bill gates on viruses 4 years ago

link:s://youtu.be/9AEMKudv5p0

[Mortagon]

On the Origins of the 2019-nCoV Virus, Wuhan, China
link:s://jameslyonsweiler.com/2020/01/30/on-the-origins-of-the-2019-ncov-virus-wuhan-china/

[Mortagon]

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=T29BDC2AJNw

A simplified system for generating recombinant adenoviruses.
link:s://:.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9482916
Efficacy and Safety Evaluation of a Chlorine Dioxide Solution
link:s://:.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5369164/
Protective effect of low-concentration chlorine dioxide gas against influenza A virus infection.
link:s://:.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18089729
Evaluation of the antiviral activity of chlorine dioxide and sodium hypochlorite against feline calicivirus, human influenza virus, measles virus, canine distemper virus, human herpesvirus, human adenovirus, canine adenovirus and canine parvovirus.
link:s://:.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20616431

[Steve]

Yes, it's called paranoia

It's only paranoia if it's not real. You're confusing reality with unsubstantiated theories.

Where is the 'reasonable' proof that the C-virus was deliberate?

Where did I say there was? You're avoiding this point.

But I bet  you deny the biggest challenge we face as a species, don't you?

Is it a toenail fungal infection?

Hit me with your perception of what is the biggest challenge. It might just be a conspiracy theory.

Believing in conspiracy theories isn't harmless; it has real and dangerous consequences. Perhaps you didn't realize that?

Ignorantly categorizing substantiated conspiracy fact as "quackery" is much more dangerous.

The trouble with conspiracy theory addicts is that they need them to bolster their self-image, so appealing to facts doesn't work, because the need for a positive self-image is stronger than the need for truth.

We're not talking about flat Earth nutters, Joe.

An example of what I consider conspiracy "fact" is the whole banking system.

They need to feel that they have privileged and 'inside' information (which of course isn't, because it's available to everyone) and tend to be rather isolated individuals. 

Your'e generalizing from ignorance.

you do have a chip on your shoulder. It seems like the 'establishment' is always the enemy, and that includes science, too, apparently

Seriously Joe? Firstly, my chip is because of fraud in high places, like banking. Do better research to understand QE, fractional reserve banking, and the whole banking establishment. It's not mere theory.

Secondly, you might want to think twice about saying I'm against science.

Thirdly, as Ive said before, most of the government just does their job, and are good people doing their best. The minority are the problem, but unfortunately many are in influential positions.

Ultimately, Joe, it looks like you're more looking for an argument, rather than a discussion about reality. Your arguments are ignorant and absolute.

[ignatus]

He got a point?

[ignatus]

Point IS-- "There is no political solution to the human contidition", eventhough maybe David icke is correct about his statement that we are getting a more "totalitarian government now" and so on.. STILL *there is no political solution to the human problem/condition* so? "Freedom" is more about each idividuals choise , and its more about "spiritual freedom/work" (which has abolutley Nothing to do with "politics")... that is my opinion

[Mortagon]

Ðœask + menstrual dressings for women + propolis
link:s://:.facebook.com/gabareva/posts/3056618071038813?__cft__

[Steve]

Russian is alien to most of us.

Vodka.

Thats it. Limited vocab.