Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Joe]

Ati, where do you live?

[Steve]

Again joe, you've got no idea.

We don't really have dinner parties. And most of my friends are already educated enough to understand the world isnt all rainbows and unicorns, so i dont need to break their hearts explaining reality.

Perhaps you and your friends think things like cash bans and bank bail-in laws are a great thing. The banks and laws are in our best interests, right? QE is also awesome for us,  right?

It's funny you follow PJW who would tell you much the same thing as I do. 

[ati]

Ati, where do you live?

In Budapest. There aren't many cases here, but that's most likely because they do very few tests. They don't test anyone without symptoms even if they were in contact with an infected person. Also, the infected people are simply sent home from the hospital to wait for the results, and many of them are using public transport. 

[Joe]

Perhaps you and your friends think things like cash bans and bank bail-in laws are a great thing. The banks and laws are in our best interests, right? QE is also awesome for us,  right?

There have been no cash bans here, so maybe it's an Aussie thing. The banks are businesses like any other so want to make a profit - deal with it. I trust in democracy, capitalism, and the free market, meaning that if you don't like it you can go elsewhere.

We are living in exceptional times at the moment, so governments are taking unprecedented measures, but your attitude is that it's all deliberate somehow and there there is a global coordinated malevolent force (but you never say who it is) behind it all, whose aim is to steal our resources and crush us into subservience. It's laughable really.

It's funny you follow PJW who would tell you much the same thing as I do.

PJW's earlier stuff was much more about conspiracies theories than it is now. He's matured, but like I said, is still biased at times and clearly has an agenda. I don't think he would sign up to your extreme paranoia though, maybe 10 years ago perhaps, but not now. I'm sympathetic to the anti political correctness/anti far left aspect of his vids. He can be quite perceptive about society in general, and he's just funny. 

[Joe]

Also, the infected people are simply sent home from the hospital to wait for the results, and many of them are using public transport.

Are people panic buying and stockpiling in Budapest? This video has been shown on the national news here and the government has urged people to calm down because there are no shortages. The situation has been created purely from people's selfishness and stupidity.

[Steve]

Joe, you're in for a big shock. Don't argue. Just wait. Although it's already happening. Its not theory. If you aren't smart enough to see it all around you now, perhaps you'll never see it.

PJW isnt into conspiracies theories. Hes into provable fact, as am I. Don't you understand he's not being funny? He's serious.

Dont let ego get in the way here. Or you'll just harm yourself. It seems you argue more for ego and to appear right.

[Joe]

PJW isnt into conspiracies theories. Hes into provable fact, as am I. Don't you understand he's not being funny? He's serious.

His focus has shifted from conspiracy theories.

Watson's career emerged through his work for conspiracy theorist and radio host Alex Jones. As editor-at-large of Jones' website InfoWars he helped promote fake news[13] and advocated conspiracy theories such as the claim 9/11 was a government cover-up, the chemtrail conspiracy theory, and the New World Order.[1] Subsequently reaching a significant audience, both Watson and Jones altered their focus. Presently their commentary is mainly focused on criticizing feminism, Islam, and left-wing politics.[14]

-- Wikipedia

You misunderstand me; when I said he is funny, I mean his videos are entertaining. You're being naive if you think he's doing this purely for altruistic reasons or to 'save us'. I'm not saying he isn't sincere, but he also has to make a living and his vids are made to be entertaining for a reason. More subscribers = more income.

[ati]

Are people panic buying and stockpiling in Budapest? This video has been shown on the national news here and the government has urged people to calm down because there are no shortages. The situation has been created purely from people's selfishness and stupidity.

Yeah, some people are, but I haven't heard of such long queues that you have in the UK. It was worse 2 or 3 weeks ago when the virus first appeared in the country. It was nearly impossible to buy flour, rice, and canned food at the time. There are still some shortages, but that is partly due to the border lock down, which made it difficult for truck drivers to deliver the products.
The government reassured everyone that they are not planning a lock down, everyone is free to travel inside the country, which reduced the panic level and things got back to almost normal.

[Steve]

His focus has shifted from conspiracy theories.

You aren't paying attention.

You arent the only one. You'll know better about what's going on soon enough.

[Joe]

Joe, you're in for a big shock. Don't argue. Just wait. Although it's already happening. Its not theory. If you aren't smart enough to see it all around you now, perhaps you'll never see it.

You accuse me of wearing rose-tinted glasses, but you're wearing grey-tinted glasses. A glass which is half-empty is also half-full. Everything you see seems to be negatively filtered. Such people often think they are smarter than others; rather than actually look at the evidence impartially they interpret everything through a dark prism. This makes for partial blindness because you ignore or refuse to believe alternative explanations.

[Joe]

The government reassured everyone that they are not planning a lock down, everyone is free to travel inside the country, which reduced the panic level and things got back to almost normal.

The panic buying has been worst in London probably because it has the largest number of cases, and because there has been speculation that it might be 'locked down' more severely than the rest of the country. I live in the west of England where there is a lot of tourism. Some hotels and holiday parks have actually been advertising that there are no cases of the virus here (not true) in an attempt to lure people to the area.  I guess I can understand it because the hospitality industry has been very hard hit, but it's irresponsible.

By the way, are you a native Hungarian? your English is excellent.

[Steve]

No joe, again you've got no idea. Im balanced and realistic, focused on verifiable fact. Really, im not stupid.

Good luck joe.

[Roulettebeater]

So you mean that the haircut is coming soon ?

[ati]

The panic buying has been worst in London probably because it has the largest number of cases, and because there has been speculation that it might be 'locked down' more severely than the rest of the country. I live in the west of England where there is a lot of tourism. Some hotels and holiday parks have actually been advertising that there are no cases of the virus here (not true) in an attempt to lure people to the area.  I guess I can understand it because the hospitality industry has been very hard hit, but it's irresponsible.

By the way, are you a native Hungarian? your English is excellent.

Yes, I was born here. Thanks for the compliment but I make plenty of mistakes, especially when I'm tired.

The way I see it, half of the population here just carry on with their normal lives, the other half tries to stay indoors and they are strongly criticizing the government's unwillingness to introduce stricter measures to stop the virus from spreading.

[Kairomancer]

Yes, I was born here. Thanks for the compliment but I make plenty of mistakes, especially when I'm tired.

The way I see it, half of the population here just carry on with their normal lives, the other half tries to stay indoors and they are strongly criticizing the government's unwillingness to introduce stricter measures to stop the virus from spreading.

I live in the same city, but in an outer district surrounded by nature where I have plenty of opportunity to walk in the forest or exercise.
I mostly buy in bulk when food is cheap and I am reasonably self-sufficient, so I do not need to worry about doing the groceries.
I have experience with pranic eating and consciousness.
I have nothing to be afraid, but my old sickly mom is in constant fear and panic and I have to take care of and protect her.

I have plenty of cash in local currency which I want to hedge with gold, but currently there is not possible to buy gold as there is no stocks available.
I need to ask my friends in the UK to buy for me and exchange with him.

I expect the situation to be lot worse over time and partial meltdown of the economy and the full collapse of the current global financial system by 2022.
I think cryptos are not safe to buy at the moment as they will hit a deliberate crash soon.
When that happens I will buy in.