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[Joe]

Joe, you are mixing up your typical "conspiracy theory nut head" with somebody who is conscious enough of what is going on and who has done a deep investigation. Many of the so called "conspiracy theory nut heads" are broke, and also live in fear - and clearly this is not something that categorizes Steve. You have to consider the fact that he is financially very well off and it's not like he is trying to make you believe that the earth is flat.

Belief in conspiracy theories is prevalent across all social and economic groups, although the more educated are less prone to believing in them. And how do you know that Steve is well off? This is the internet, we can all claim whatever we like. I've noticed though that his advertising has become more aggressive lately;  pop-ups all over the place on the forum.

Believing in conspiracy theories is not harmless.

[Steve]

Believing in conspiracy theories is not harmless.

Not seeing reality is more harmful.

Again we're not talking about flat earth, joe.

If you really believe in fairies, or that criminals dont exist in high places, good luck there.

[Joe]

Youd best do your research before accusing me of being the slow one. Start with something simple: banking.

If I do my own research I'll find no conspiracy, so that won't help. You need to show which facts you think support a conspiracy, then we can evaluate them.

[Steve]

Jesus, joe, it's right in your face. Start with banking. Or maybe you really think qe is fair and ok. That's even worse.

You're just on the back foot, more concerned with appearing right than actually being right. Again don't make it personal.

[Joe]

It's possible that the banks in Australia deserve more criticism than in other countries.

link:s://:.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/aug/03/banking-industry-found-to-be-an-oligopoly-that-exploits-its-customers

Yes, banks are worthy of a lot of criticism; they were largely responsible for the financial crisis. But you believe that this is a global conspiracy. In your opinion, who is behind it?

[Joe]

You're just on the back foot, more concerned with appearing right than actually being right. Again don't make it personal.

No, you're the one who's making it personal by accusing me of being more concerned about being right. Attack the message, not the messenger.

[Steve]

If you want to know more, start with my suggestions. There's enough there to get you started.

Don't be the type of person who doesn't see it even when it hits their face.

If you think the banks act honestly and are open with the customers about their legal theft, and that its not a conspiracy, then god help you. Because that's the simple part. Still theres a lot of research to understand the imf and the banking cartel.

[Joe]

If you think the banks act honestly and are open with the customers about their legal theft, and that its not a conspiracy, then god help you.

Vague. Actually I think we may be arguing at cross-purposes. Maybe you don't really think there's a 'conspiracy' at all because it seems like you're criticizing oligarchies. For example, the USA isn't really a democracy but an oligarchy. Or maybe you're just criticizing globalizing in general. I'm critical of it too.

If it's so obvious and I'm so stupid for not seeing it, why is the evidence for a conspiracy not obvious? You can't have it both ways.

Conspiracy : a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.

If it's all so obvious, what is the 'secret' and who is the group?

[winforus]

Thank you Steve for sharing all of this and for the resources that you provided.

[winforus]

And how do you know that Steve is well off? This is the internet, we can all claim whatever we like. I've noticed though that his advertising has become more aggressive lately;  pop-ups all over the place on the forum.

How ironic, is that you are the one that is creating a conspiracy theory here now. You think that the Roulette computers he is selling is all fake, or that it's not the guy who is typing under the name "Steve" here? And all of this time he just been lying? You can do a little research + use common sense in order to see that it's not made up. What kind of advertising he does is totally irrelevant to how well off he is or he is not.

You are both intellectually lazy + ignorant.

Your Ego seems to be too invested into defending your position and battling "conspiracy theorists". No different than the "conspiracy theory nut head", or a "religious" nut head or a "scientific rationalist nuthead".

The problem, is that you are not interested in truth. You are interested in being right and defending an identity that you created for yourself. You are not open-minded (as you like to think that you are).

[Winner]

This was all lab created virus same old bull shit.

[Joe]

How ironic, is that you are the one that is creating a conspiracy theory here now. You think that the Roulette computers he is selling is all fake, or that it's not the guy who is typing under the name "Steve" here? And all of this time he just been lying? You can do a little research + use common sense in order to see that it's not made up. What kind of advertising he does is totally irrelevant to how well off he is or he is not.

No, that's a straw man. I'm saying that you're making assumptions. This forum is full of claims and people who promise winning systems for a price. Steve does the same, except he is selling AP, which although it does have a lot more credibility than systems, can still be a scam. Steve knows that as well as anyone, and he does have 'history'. Do your own research.

You are both intellectually lazy + ignorant.

Your Ego seems to be too invested into defending your position and battling "conspiracy theorists". No different than the "conspiracy theory nut head", or a "religious" nut head or a "scientific rationalist nuthead".

The problem, is that you are not interested in truth. You are interested in being right and defending an identity that you created for yourself. You are not open-minded (as you like to think that you are).

Like I said, attack the message, not the messenger. Attacking the messenger and indulging in fallacies is the real intellectual laziness, because it's so easy.

In fact I've just said that Steve and I could be arguing at cross-purposes, so in fact neither of us are 'right'. It could have just been a misunderstanding and failure to clarify the term 'conspiracy'.

The fact remains that there are a huge number of absurd conspiracy theories and we all have to learn how to identify 'fake news'.

[Joe]

 

This was all lab created virus same old bull shit.

So you're saying the virus was created in a lab? 

[winforus]

No, that's a straw man. I'm saying that you're making assumptions. This forum is full of claims and people who promise winning systems for a price. Steve does the same, except he is selling AP, which although it does have a lot more credibility than systems, can still be a scam. Steve knows that as well as anyone, he does have 'history'. Do your own research.

Again with your "straw man" bullshit.  I have done my research,  to know that the Steve's 'history' that you are mentioning here was fake bs, that was spread by a competitor of his.

The fact that you haven't even figured that out - tells me once again that you are both intellectually lazy and ignorant.

There is no miscommunication here. The difference between you and Steve - is that you are being ideological. And you prioritize (unconsciously) defending your position over Truth.

You have been doing exact same thing with the idea of precognition, until the very end you rightfully agreed to investigate it yourself.

It is very hard to have a reasonable conversation with somebody who is being ideological.

Telling you that you are not interested in truth, but that you are interested in being "right" and defending your position - is NOT attacking the messenger.  You are simply not conscious of this - and at this point, it will take a shift in awareness in order for you to realize this.

[Winner]

So you're saying the virus was created in a lab? 

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