Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Joe]

Again with your "straw man" bullshit.

You obviously don't know what 'straw man' means. It means misrepresenting someone else's view or argument in a way which makes it easy to attack.

You think that the Roulette computers he is selling is all fake, or that it's not the guy who is typing under the name "Steve" here? And all of this time he just been lying?

I didn't say any of those things. But it's easier to pretend that I did, right? Then you can attack me.

Steve's 'history' that you are mentioning here was fake bs, that was spread by a competitor of his.

Nope. Ask Steve, he'll tell you it's true.

Telling you that you are not interested in truth, but that you are interested in being "right" and defending your position - is NOT attacking the messenger.

lol, what is it attacking, then? You're not attacking my statements or arguments, but me.

[Joe]

100  %

Nope.

link:s://:.livescience.com/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-lab.html

Relax, you can take off your tin foil hat.

[Winner]

Nope.

link:s://:.livescience.com/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-lab.html

Relax, you can take off your tin foil hat.
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You need to dig deeper than that  my boy.

[Joe]

You need to dig deeper than that  my boy.

LOL, yes, I need to keep digging until I find a site which supports my paranoia. You obviously haven't read or understood any of my posts on this subject, have you?

[Winner]

Here is a fact for those that don’t know any better .
I have friend from Rwanda she came from a big family ,she shared her life story with me .
Her parents were both killed and brothers a sisters had to flee lost contact until 10 years later she found one of her siblings  , being the oldest girl she escaped with her two sisters to Cameroon had to learn the language quick so she would not be caught, traveling with her were her two younger sisters. There safe now .
She shared something that was eye opening , lab testing was down on a lot of here people back in Africa and they would say that these medicines were for there health and vaccines to help with virus they were uneducated and a lot of them died for the sake of being lab Rats for these evil MF so make sure to get really informed before believing Fake News .

[Winner]

LOL, yes, I need to keep digging until I find a site which supports my paranoia. You obviously haven't read or understood any of my posts on this subject, have you?

Don’t care to read any of your post .good bye

[Joe]

Don’t care to read any of your post .good bye

lol, that's really open-minded of you. You're sure to get to the truth that way.

link:s://:.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus.

Don't tell me, 'Nature' is biased and in on the conspiracy too. 

[winforus]

lol, what is it attacking, then? You're not attacking my statements or arguments, but me.

Regarding the computers - this was a rhetorical question or whatever you want to call it, and not a stated fact. I brought up those questions as examples - as what you said was totally ridiculous.

It is you who is interpreting it as an "attack". I am not even "arguing" here with you, nor I am viewing what you wrote as "arguments".

We are operating from two completely different paradigms. Until you start to question your own paradigm - you will be stuck, and you will never be able to see things beyond your paradigm.

You can take it any way you want, but as I already mentioned, you are being very ideological - you are interested in winning arguments over learning and figuring out what is true.

I will no longer continue this discussion with you. I am far more interested in what Steve and others here have to say, and to continue doing my investigation on the topics that were brought up here.

[Bigbroben]

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=KCtkYZeQ7Oo

About central banks.

[Joe]

Regarding the computers - this was a rhetorical question or whatever you want to call it, and not a stated fact. I brought up those questions as examples - as what you said was totally ridiculous.

I wasn't talking about Steve's computers or his competitors, but his conviction for fraud.

you are being very ideological - you are interested in winning arguments over learning and figuring out what is true.

The motivation or source of the argument isn't relevant to the content of the argument, so even if you were correct, it wouldn't detract from my arguments. In order to refute the argument you must address the actual argument itself, not where it comes from. This is called the genetic fallacy and is another example of attacking the messenger, not the message.

[winforus]

The motivation or source of the argument isn't relevant to the content of the argument, so even if you were correct, it wouldn't detract from my arguments. In order to refute the argument you must address the actual argument itself, not where it comes from. This is called the genetic fallacy and is another example of attacking the messenger, not the message.

This clearly confirms my point. You are too consumed in arguing and being right - you are not interested in what is true. You are completely locked to your paradigm and unable to really understand what I said here and why I am saying it.

It is impossible to have a discussion with someone, when your intent is completely different.

Ideology is the opposite of Truth. Any form of ideology.  Until you drop it - you will be stuck.  Good luck, you are going to need it (it requires a lot of work).

[winforus]

Steve, what are your thoughts on bitcoin currently? Would this be a good time to buy more BTC for long-term hold? (not at this moment exactly, but during this period).

And does crypto play any role into the world being headed to global digital currency?

[The General]

Steve, what are your thoughts on bitcoin currently? Would this be a good time to buy more BTC for long-term hold? (not at this moment exactly, but during this period).

And does crypto play any role into the world being headed to global digital currency?

Bitcoin is a fools currency.

[6th-sense]

bitcoin is a peoples currency out of the banks hands...agree the second time with Steve...
i,ve been into this for years...joe i,ll just say it plain and simple..your a muppet and a sheep

do your own research like steve and me.. cannot break all those years down into a simple statement

sometimes people like yourself will only believe when it smacks you in the face and send you on your backside...then and only then will you believe...

steve is talking to a brick wall with you..

[Steve]

If it's so obvious and I'm so stupid for not seeing it, why is the evidence for a conspiracy not obvious?

Because you're being lazy and not actually studying what I published. If you did further research, you'd understand the history of the banking laws, and how they've been pushed and passed. You're trying to pass it off as "bad policy" rather than "conspiracy" because:

1. You're more concerned about appearing right than the truth, and
2. You haven't done the research, so don't understand you're the flat earther here.

If it's all so obvious, what is the 'secret' and who is the group?

Again, you haven't even seen the material I published. Can you see a problem arguing with someone who just wants to argue, and isn't actually interested in verifiable fact?

No, that's a straw man

You're using this term incorrectly. And you're using it in attempt to refute valid points, because you're not understanding the point being made. Plus it's an easy vague response like "yeah right".

No, that's a straw man. I'm saying that you're making assumptions. This forum is full of claims and people who promise winning systems for a price. Steve does the same, except he is selling AP, which although it does have a lot more credibility than systems, can still be a scam. Steve knows that as well as anyone, and he does have 'history'.

You're suggesting I have "history of scamming" and that it makes it more likely that my computers are a scam. Again Joe, don't make it personal. It's what people do when they don't have better points.

But let's clarify this point, as I have many times:

Over 20 years ago when I was 21 years old, I was involved in the stock market and publicly stated a company’s stock price would increase by about +900%. The judge thought it was absurd, and I was sentenced to 3 months in prison. Later, my predictions came true and the stock price increased by +1,500% but it was too late. I was right about the price increase, but I unintentionally published information about the company which wasn’t accurate. I was charged with “recklessly publishing inaccurate information”. What I did was a honest mistake and victim-less crime. I did not cheat anyone out of money as other people want you to believe. Anyone who followed my “illegal” advice would have made a fortune.

I have never scammed or cheated anyone. I'm as honest as people get. But none of this is relevant.

Like I said, attack the message, not the messenger. Attacking the messenger and indulging in fallacies is the real intellectual laziness, because it's so easy.

How ironic you'd say this.

In fact I've just said that Steve and I could be arguing at cross-purposes, so in fact neither of us are 'right'. It could have just been a misunderstanding and failure to clarify the term 'conspiracy'.

My definition of a conspiracy (in the context of bankers) is a bunch of c*nts who have operated secretly to pass laws so they can legally steal from us, and act like they're all innocent. But it goes much deeper and on many levels. You don't understand it because you havent done the research. If you had done the research, you'd better understand why you're making a fool of yourself. So get off your ass, do research instead of pointlessly arguing about it.

The fact remains that there are a huge number of absurd conspiracy theories and we all have to learn how to identify 'fake news'.

Again Joe, we're not talking about flat earth. Verification is important. I've already made this clear. That's why I published the document from the central bank. It's really barely the tip of the iceberg though. Only you're not bothering to educate yourself.

Reagrding whether or not the virus was man made: maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. You posted what you feel is proof it wasn't. Realistically, neither you or I understand exactly what it means. We're not biologists. Ther are also opposing viewpoints, from biologists, who say it was engineered. So what's the truth? We don't know. Anything is possible.

And as I said art the beginning, it's possible that it was released on purpose. Why? For many reasons. Here's two:

1. There's ample evidence to support claims that specific groups have planned to use biological warfare (like a disease) to further their power. Joe, you're stuck on simple banking and "QE", so I wont get into this.

2. The protests in Hong Kong were tearing the region apart.

For those of you who don't know, see this:

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=6_RdnVtfZPY

This was half way through last year. Then fast forward to the end of last year, and the protests were still going.

The situation was totally screwed. The people in Hong Kong weren't giving up. The government wasn't listening to the people. The police just followed orders. It was becoming real civil WAR.

So then what happened?... Coronavirus.

And that cleared up the protests rather quickly.

Did you also notice IRAN was hit badly by Coronavirus? Isn't that a region the "elite" have long sought control over? Much like Iraq, although with Iraq they just did the whole "he has WMDs and supports Osama - let's get him" thing (which was complete bullshit).  Anyone with a brain knew that after Iraq, Iran was next.

If the people in Hong Kong won, and the government actually did what the people wanted, it would open the gates to the governments losing even more power. not just in China and Hong Kong, but the rest of the world.

Keep in mind this isn't exactly a government "conspiracy". The government is a tool, and there are key people in power.

So is Coronavirus deliberate? It's possible. But as yet there's no smoking gun. I'm personally leaning more towards it being deliberate. At the very least, it is certainly being exploited. And I fully expect the global financial meltdown to be blamed on Coronavirus, when the reality is it was already in peril. And in place of the financial system will be likely is a global digital currency. Why do I say this? Because it has been a major plan of the elite for a long time.

Is it conspiracy "theory"? No. It's fact. And to know this, you need only do proper research. The people who say "there's no convincing proof" just haven't done the research. So they sit in their armchair clueless.

I'm not saying it's "fact" that coronavirus is deliberate. I'm saying it's fact that specific groups have been conspiring to do this kind of thing, to further their power.

You can argue otherwise, if you arent properly educated on it. The justification to refute it is often there's lots of "fake news" and "wacky conspiracy theories". It's a retarded argument, because it rejects real conspiracies, just because some people believe in flat Earth.

The motivation or source of the argument isn't relevant to the content of the argument, so even if you were correct, it wouldn't detract from my arguments. In order to refute the argument you must address the actual argument itself, not where it comes from. This is called the genetic fallacy and is another example of attacking the messenger, not the message.

Don't get all high and mighty. Your logic is screwed up. Your arrogance has made you ignorant. You act knowledgable but are clueless.

Steve, what are your thoughts on bitcoin currently? Would this be a good time to buy more BTC for long-term hold? (not at this moment exactly, but during this period).

Bitcoin as an IDEA of decentralized currency is a good idea.

But the technology is far from what it needs to be, because:

1. The miners are the new bankers. It's not properly decentralized.

2. The price is so heavily manipulated. It is mostly being used as a global trading scam. The same thing happens on the stock market, but to less of a degree.

3. The underlying technology is poor. It's slow, clumsy, and uses a ridiclulous amount of electricity - which is supposed to make cheating the system more difficult. But it incorrectly assumes all computers have around the same computing power. All it takes to ruin Bitcoin is one quantum computer.

4. Most people think it's semi-private, because your name isnt attached to transactions or wallets. When in fact, Bitcoin is a privacy nightmare. Combined with Metadata from ISPs, governments can easily see exactly who transacts with and associates with who. It doesn't matter even if you use proxies or VPNs. Most people don't have the technical knowledge to understand it.

There's more. So as Bitcoin currently is, it's not good. But the idea of decentralized and privacy currency is a great idea, and it will play a major role especially over the next 10-20 years.

It would not surprise me if Bitcoin was kind of a trojan horse. If it doesn't change, other currencies will become dominant.

Bitcoin is a fools currency.

It is for the reasons I explained, not for the reasons you probably think.

If you think the idea of Bitcoin is for fools, then you'd also need to understand what money in your bank account is, how it's created, and manipulated by central banks.

I have no doubt digital currency will replace cash. You know already almost all money is just numbers on computers. What makes cryptocurrencies different is those numbers are distributed accross many computers, not controlled by a central authority. This makes it more resistant to corruption and fraud. But cryptos need further development. They'll get there eventually without any doubt.