Random Dozens with LaBouchere

[Roulettebeater]

So, you tested a system that worked fine for almost 100k spins. At that point it happend to lose and you consider it as a losing system?

Can I have that system! I am good if it works for 10k spins, I have no problem with that! 

well, i only measure the system in terms of ROI
A system that wins some pennies and once it's broke it loses the entire bankroll + those pennies =  LOSING SYSTEM

[SWEET]

well, i only measure the system in terms of ROI
A system that wins some pennies and once it's broke it loses the entire bankroll + those pennies =  LOSING SYSTEM

Sir,
With respect,

Just because, you crash into the drain while learning to ride bicycles,
do not mean the world should not ride bicycles!
you should pick up yourself, see what went wrong, and ride again.
hahaha
if have nothing better, just read and learn.

[Joe]

Can I have that system! I am good if it works for 10k spins, I have no problem with that!

What about if it had worked for 1k spins, would you still want it? The point is that it was a losing system and the fact that it actually only crashed after 100k spins doesn't mean that it won't crash next time before 10k spins. It might even start losing from spin 1 and never recover. Do you want to take that chance?

The point about testing over a large number of spins is to find out whether the system wins long term. If it doesn't it might not even win in the short term, when you actually play it for real. 

[Roulettebeater]

Sir,
With respect,

Just because, you crash into the drain while learning to ride bicycles,
do not mean the world should not ride bicycles!
you should pick up yourself, see what went wrong, and ride again.
hahaha
if have nothing better, just read and learn.

Be nice to me, newbie!
i could be your teacher

[Roulettebeater]

What about if it had worked for 1k spins, would you still want it? The point is that it was a losing system and the fact that it actually only crashed after 100k spins doesn't mean that it won't crash next time before 10k spins. It might even start losing from spin 1 and never recover. Do you want to take that chance?

The point about testing over a large number of spins is to find out whether the system wins long term. If it doesn't it might not even win in the short term, when you actually play it for real. 

maybe you can try to express it even simpler so that the dumps finally understand it

[huskerdu]

Talking about winning systems here is my hamble opinion:
There is no need for a system to win in every session. I think there is no such system.
What is making a system winning is that:
The money we lose at the losing sessions are less than the money we win at the winning sessions.
That means that a system that has e.g  10 winning sessions that we earn 100 units  and 1 losing session in which we lose all units we have earned (or more) it is not a winning system. An example of this system is Martingale without stop loss. We lose all our money that we have won  before.
But a system that we earn more money in winning sessions than the money we lose at the losing sessions is a winning system.
So the aim is not to search for a system that always wins. But for a system that we know that there will be some losing sessions, but the money we lose will be less than the money we earn.

[Steeefan2014]

What about if it had worked for 1k spins, would you still want it? The point is that it was a losing system and the fact that it actually only crashed after 100k spins doesn't mean that it won't crash next time before 10k spins. It might even start losing from spin 1 and never recover. Do you want to take that chance?

The point about testing over a large number of spins is to find out whether the system wins long term. If it doesn't it might not even win in the short term, when you actually play it for real. 

One of the dumps says: if you ride a car on a road which ends with a wall, it's up to you if you drive slowly and you have a chance to stop before you hit the wall or you might drive at 250km/hour and your chances to hit it are... really high!

[Bigbroben]

For LaBoucher with betting 2 dozens the change is that after every lost spin we add two times the lost bet, so we need 50,1% wins in order to enter the session :
Start with 1
Lose: The streak becomes 111 so I bet 2
Lose: The streak becomes 11122 so I bet 3
Lose: The streak becomes 1112233 so I bet 4
Lose: The streak becomes 111223344 so I bet 5
Win: The streak becomes 1122334 so I bet 5
Lose: The streak becomes 112233455 so I bet 6

I like it, it has a soft slope and probably a high recovery rate below table limits...
Problem is if you get WLWLWLWLWLW when trying to recover... it can get out of hand real quick.

Good idea, though!

[Joe]

One of the dumps says: if you ride a car on a road which ends with a wall, it's up to you if you drive slowly and you have a chance to stop before you hit the wall or you might drive at 250km/hour and your chances to hit it are... really high!

Analogies like this don't work very well because when driving a car you can see in advance where the wall is, but when playing roulette you can't see what's ahead so you can't stop before you hit the wall.

[Steeefan2014]

Analogies like this don't work very well because when driving a car you can see in advance where the wall is, but when playing roulette you can't see what's ahead so you can't stop before you hit the wall.

Ok, let's assume that the wall is just around the corner!

Anyway... the ones who don't consider themselves dumps get the idea!

[SWEET]

Huskerdu,
Sir,
could you do me a favor?
I have a simple double dozen bet, that I think, quite ok, but since I have no computer skill, I only do test, (with old shaky fingers, and old eyesight) and only manage to do a few thousand spins test, which is too small, to have conclusion...

t

Europe wheel

dz=dozen,
thus dz1=dozen one, and so on.

test like this.

if last spin...
=dz1.
bet dz1&dz2.

if last spin=dz2.
bet dz2 & dz3

if last spin
=dz3
bet dz3 &dz1

if zero hit,
bet the previous dz.
eg
dz1,then ZERO,

So bet dz1 & dz2.
........
bet continuously,
no matter win or lose,
keep on betting, base on the last dozen hit.

eg.
spin result in dozen.
dz1....bet dz1 & dz2
dz2...win, bet dz2&dz3
dz3...win, bet dz3&dz1
dz2..lose, bet dz2&dz3
ZERO lose...BET dz2&dz3
dz1. lose..bet dz1&dz2
dz3..lose..bet dz3&dz1
and so on...
PLEASE HELP...
if it is good, we discuss how to staking.
Thanks in advance.

good night, need to zzzzz

[huskerdu]

if last spin...
=dz1.
bet dz1&dz2.

if last spin=dz2.
bet dz2 & dz3

if last spin
=dz3
bet dz3 &dz1

SWEET
I tested
You have about 2/3 wins and1/3 loses (it is logical in the long term because you bet 2/3).
So if flat betting you are in the same
The advantage is that you earn in case of a long string with the same dozen
You lose many bets in a row , in case of a string 321321... or 213213... or 132132....

I want to show you something:
Lets say that a string 321321 comes
You lose at any case 6 bets in a row with your bet selection.
Let's say that instead, your bet selection was just play 321321 not to come:
You will not lose in any case but in 1/3 of the cases if a streak 321321 comes, because the string 321321 must come in exactly the same time as I bet.
case 1:
betting      string that comes
1-2                         3
3-1                         2
2-3                         1
1-2                          3
3-1                         2
2-3                          1

In this situation we lose 6 loses in a row

case 2:
betting      string that comes
2-3                         3
1-2                         2
3-1                         1
2-3                         3
1-2                          2
3-1                         1
2-3                          ...

In this situation even though a astring 321321 appears we have 6 wins in a row
case 1:
betting      string that comes
3-1                         3
2-3                         2
1-2                         1
3-1                          3
2-3                         2
1-2                         1
We also have 6 wins in a row.

So with your selection you always have 6 loses in a row in case of a string 321321 appears, but if you bet 321321 not to come you have in 1/3 of cases 6 loses in a row and in 2/3 of case 6 wins in a row.
That's why I prefer random selection
Thanks

[SWEET]

Huskerdu!
I was "arose", the excitement, of learning something I had never thought before.

I think, we, (or rather, you, )
are up to something!
a hg, that win more than losses.

The other "MISSING' link, are "progression strategy", variance avoidance, stop loss,etc.
We could discuss, here, (or since many negative remarks here, through email. please pm)

ps:
thank you so much for your time and effort to did testing for me...
could you please, post the txt, or files, of the said testing here. I wish to see how the win loss dz play out.
Thank you so much!

[SWEET]

After a solid bet selection...
If we could think out,
TWEAK,
better progression methods, that avoid unnecessary losses, and keep   br low, then we, not far from a reliable constant winning strategy...
need to think very hard!

[Roulettebeater]

After a solid bet selection...
If we could think out,
TWEAK,
better progression methods, that avoid unnecessary losses, and keep   br low, then we, not far from a reliable constant winning strategy...
need to think very hard!

Don’t fall in the trap !

Keep your winnings very low and when the storm happens, you will be hit very hard !

What’s the sense if you max win 5 dollars per day and one day within 30 days you lose 1000