Roulette is random except one rule!

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The rule is:
We know that after 37 spins  the propability for unique numbars to appear is as bellow:

unique
numbers    probability
17         0.05%
18        0.28%
19        1.17%
20        3.60%
21        8.39%
22        14.84%
23        19.93%
24        20.47%
25        15.92%
26        9.41%
27        4.16%
28        1.36%
29        0.33%
30        0.05%

From the above, we keep in mind that in 98% of the cases, there will be no more than  27 unique numbers in 37 spins.
So, how can we can take advantage of this rule in order to beat the monster ?
We can do this:
First we wait for as many unique numbers to appear.
Let's say that after 20 spins we have 18 unique numbers.
If we take the worst scenario (in 37 spins to appear 27 unique numbers) , we know that in 98% of the cases in the next 17 spins we will not have more than 9 loses, so the wins will be not less than 8 .
So for 98% of the cases,  in the next 17 spins we know for sure that we will have at least 8 wins and 9 loses.
To be precise in the next 17 spins the propability of W/L is:

16 wins, 1 lose :       1.17%
15 wins , 2 loses  :    3.60%
14 wins, 3 loses:        8.39%
13 wins  , 4 loses  :    14.84%
12 wins , 5 loses :      19.93%
11 wins  , 6 loses  :    20.47%
10 wins  , 7 loses :     15.92%
9 wins , 8 loses :      9.41%
8 wins, 9 loses :        4.16%
28 : 7 wins, 10 loses       1.36%
29 : 6 wins, 11 loses       0.33%:

This was an example for the case that there ar 18 unique numbers in 20 spins.

If you can find a money management that in 17 spins beats 8 wins and 9 loses at the 98% of the times and loses 2% of times is it a HG ?
I  started to have your oponion, I will continue later on with my proposal for the money management, it is not so easy as it seems, Be aware that we will not have an EC betting all the time bcause e.g. after 3 wins and 5 loses we will be betting on 23 numbers so it is nearly 2/3 against 1/3.
Thanks

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link:s://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=8929.msg54234#msg54234%20[nonactive]%20vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=8929.0

same concept...except they found it hard to track constantly on a rolling basis...you can see the repeat count moving on the repeats count just wait for the situation you want..

use this tracker and set config to 20..it,ll be a rolling tracker then...highlight the unhits by clicking on the unhit tab next to the unhit count..itll highlight the unhiit numbers for easy reading and reference...bear in mind they change everyspin..

use the ferrari betting straight numbers on the thread of mine..

its quicker to a rolling spin method as every spin is the start or end of a cycle on a rolling basis

heres the tracker link...

may the force be with you

if you know much about unhits..repeats uniques they move up and down in a wave form..

.link:://ayk.bplaced.net/tracker8/

[6th-sense]

link:s://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=8929.msg54234#msg54234%20[nonactive]%20vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=8929.0

same concept...except they found it hard to track constantly on a rolling basis...you can see the repeat count moving on the repeats count just wait for the situation you want..

use this tracker and set config to 20..it,ll be a rolling tracker then...highlight the unhits by clicking on the unhit tab next to the unhit count..itll highlight the unhiit numbers for easy reading and reference...bear in mind they change everyspin..

use the ferrari betting straight numbers on the thread of mine..

its quicker to a rolling spin method as every spin is the start or end of a cycle on a rolling basis

heres the tracker link...

may the force be with you

if you know much about unhits..repeats uniques they move up and down in a wave form..

.link:://ayk.bplaced.net/tracker8/

link doesn,t work so copy and pasted

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Inside Number System - Wins within ten spins, Not betting every spin
May 10, 2009, 03:19:26 PM
NEWCOMERS TO THIS THREAD OR INDIVIDUALS THAT DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THE SYSTEM YET PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING FIRST

I have put the system into a PDF file that explains the system in simple english (no roulette jargon or confusing terms)  you can download that here:
link:://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=354

Once you've read that and feel as though you understand it, you can download and watch these two videos.  The first video shows the system in action while showing how to track it (using RXtreme) and showing how much to bet using the bet calculator.  The second video shows how to use this system in a land based casino (special thanks to Rpro and Simon, as I wouldn't have ever done this if it weren't for you guys).

Video 1: link:://:.mediafire.com/?dzwvdnzndn3

Video 2: (note that whats on the screen is this video would be your piece of paper in a land based casino, and filled in black blocks would be numbers crossed off.  The numbers entered into the spreadsheet in this video are what number spin you're on NOT WHAT NUMBER WAS THROWN BY THE ROULETTE TABLE) link:://:.mediafire.com/?yg3jldy4iuy

The bet calculator you'll see in video one (shows how to use it) can be downloaded here: link:://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=353


I will try my best to explain this system (in words it sounds very difficult, but in practice it is quite easy):

You track twenty spins (the winning within 10 spins part will make sense in a minute) and wait until there are only 17 (or more) unique numbers (3 or less have repeated themselves).       Here is an example of 17 unique numbers:

29 (appeared once) - unique numbers = 1
16 (appeared once) - unique numbers = 2
15 (appeared once) - unique numbers = 3
7  (appeared once) - unique numbers = 4
24 (appeared once) - unique numbers = 5
20 (appeared once) - unique numbers = 6
34 (appeared once) - unique numbers = 7
25 (appeared once) - unique numbers = 8
5  (appeared once) - unique numbers = 9
11 (appeared once) - unique numbers = 10
15 (appeared twice) - unique numbers = 10
17 (appeared once) - unique numbers = 11
11 (appeared twice) - unique numbers = 11
20 (appeared twice) - unique numbers = 11
4  (appeared once) - unique numbers = 12
13 (appeared once) - unique numbers = 13
9  (appeared once) - unique numbers = 14
0  (appeared once) - unique numbers = 15
26 (appeared once) - unique numbers = 16
31 (appeared once) - unique numbers = 17

You then continue tracking and wait until another number repeats itself (it can either be a number that has appeared once appearing twice, or a number that has appeared twice appearing 3 times.     .     .     any repeat at all.     .     .     in simpler terms any time "unique numbers count" doesn't increase) and you bet on all the numbers that have appeared up until that point (singles, doubles, triples...any number at all).   

If you win you then retrack the last twenty numbers and if there are 17 or more unique numbers start the process over.   

If you lose, you clear all your bets and wait until another number repeats itself (the unique numbers count doesn't go up) and then you bet on all the numbers that have appeared up until that point again.       You continue doing this until you have either won or you have tracked thirty-one spins (if you get to spin thirty and you're supposed to bet you do).       If you get to thirty-one spins and haven't won you start over again.   


The amount you bet on each number should always be enough to just get you back to a profit.       There is no set progession.       The formula I use is as follows (you have to place your bets, then do the calcualtion, adjust the bets if the formula says its necessary then spin the wheel)

(bankroll at start of betting session - (current bankroll - current bet layout)/30=Bet Amount (rounded up to the nearest whole dollar)  I have attached the bet calculator in the form of an excel file for ease of calculation.

Also, let's say you have already lost a bet or two and you are now at $2 on each number and you lose that bet.   I mentioned earlier that you place your bets, then do the calculation, and then adjust bets if necessary.   Well, after you have cleared the screen of your bets and you find you have to place new bets, the bet amount on each number has to be the same dollar amount as it was the last time you bet.   So you lost your two dollar on each number bet and you clear the screen and go a few more spins and find you have to place new bets.   You place $2 on each number (because that's how much you were betting on each number the last time you bet) and then you do the calculation using the formula provided.   This keeps the "current bet layout" part of the formula accurate when you have made new additions to your bet layout.

I say rounded up to the nearest whole dollar because I live in the US and I haven't found a casino online that allows me to bet less than one dollar (so my bets are always in whole dollars).   

I have now played this system for 650 spins and I have only gone past tracking thirty-one spins once.       My wins were more than enough to make up for that one loss.       Because you aren't betting every single spin the progression in bets isn't that steep, and there is a built in stop loss.   

I use roulette extremes "Wheel Frequency" tracker to keep track of the spins because of how ridiculously easy it makes it.       For those of you who want to try this system and don't have roulette extreme I will have an excel based tracker for you shortly.       For those of you have roulette extreme and don't know what the "wheel frequency" tracker is it is under statistics and then wheel frequency.       I then click the radio button that says "calculate statistics using the last X amount of spins"

Since I'm a newb I hope you guys don't just write this off because I'm telling you it works, and it works very very well.       I hope you guys give it a shot and post your findings!  If you lose the very first time, trust me keep going.       The wins make up for the losses ten fold!
* bet calculator.xls (17 kB - downloaded 970 times.)

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Re: Inside Number System - Wins within ten spins, Not betting every spin
May 10, 2009, 03:53:27 PM
Oh, one more thing.   There is ONE exception to the "don't go past thirty-one spins" rule.   If you have bet 3 or less times (and lost all three or less times) and you have gotten to spin thirty you then follow the system out to spin thirty-seven.   That is the only exception.   So far anyway.   Please, I would love to hear some feedback from anybody who has tried it.
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Re: Inside Number System - Wins within ten spins, Not betting every spin
May 10, 2009, 04:21:06 PM
In case anybody is wondering if I just pulled this out of the air, I didn't.     I used to play another system that I came up with and I played it at Mt.    Airy Casino and Mohegan Sun (Pocono Downs)  ( I live in Northeastern PA) and I was up about $7,000.     The system was playing every single number that came out.     So, if spin 1 was a 22 I would place a chip on 22.     Next number was 34, I would place a chip on 34.     That system was based on the fact that in 37 spins 37 different numbers would never come out.     I learned the very very hard way however that steep progressions (by the time you get to 17 different numbers I think it $65 on each number, or maybe $75 on each number for a total bet of around $1200) that you lose any money made very quickly.     I lost that $7,000 plus 2k of my own in two days when it went 17 spins without a double two days in a row my first time at the machine (we don't have real tables in PA, only Bally's TouchBet Machines). 

So, I decided to come up with something better.     In 37 spins of the wheel I personally haven't ever seen more than 26 unique numbers come out (I'm positive that there can be more unique numbers than that, but I haven't see it so it must be pretty rare).     So if by the time you get to spin twenty there are 17 unique numbers (3 doubles have happened) that means you still have another 8 doubles that are likely to happen.     Five of those doubles can come out before spin thirty in my system without you winning only if it went like this (in a perfect pattern, which we all know roulette wheels don't often.   .   .   if ever.   .   .   produce perfect patterns)
spin 21 - double (place bets) now 4 doubles have appeared
spin 22 - unique (lost)
spin 23 - double (place bets) now 5 doubles have appeared
spin 24 - unique (lost)
spin 25 - double (place bets) now 6 doubles have appeared
spin 26 - unique (lost)
spin 27 - double (place bets) now 7 doubles have appeared
spin 28 - unique (lost)
spin 29 - double (place bets) now 8 doubles have appeared
spin 30 - unique (lost)

Then you still have another 3 doubles likely to happen which could be triples or quads.     So there you go, there is the logic behind this system.     But what's better than logic is the extensive testing I have done on this system.     I will continue testing and post my results (positive or negative) with the spins and betting so you guys can check it out. 
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Re: Inside Number System - Wins within ten spins, Not betting every spin
May 10, 2009, 04:32:48 PM
Alright, last request before I shut up and let you guys check this out.    If you have a bad experience (or positive) please post your results so I can see if I'm setting myself for a big loss.    As I said I pretty much play this system exclusively as I haven't had a bad experience, but I will certainly change my tune if somebody out there tests it and finds out it can really be a serious dud and I've just been getting lucky.

I appreciate it guys!
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Re: Inside Number System - Wins within ten spins, Not betting every spin
May 10, 2009, 05:17:20 PM
Hello rj
I will certainly test it a.s.a.p and will report here good and bad.
Thank you for your post
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Re: Inside Number System - Wins within ten spins, Not betting every spin
May 10, 2009, 09:44:16 PM
Excellent, thanks spider!
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Re: Inside Number System - Wins within ten spins, Not betting every spin
May 10, 2009, 09:52:10 PM
This seems somewhat similiar to the G.U.T. except that you are betting on a crossing not happening instead of happening.  I like it a lot, and plan to test it out.  Great post rj!  Thanks for sharing.
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Re: Inside Number System - Wins within ten spins, Not betting every spin
May 10, 2009, 09:59:54 PM
Quote from: RPro75 link=topic=8929. msg54300#msg54300 date=1242003130
This seems somewhat similiar to the G. U. T.  except that you are betting on a crossing not happening instead of happening.   I like it a lot, and plan to test it out.   Great post rj!  Thanks for sharing.

Thanks a lot Rpro, I hope to hear you have great results!  Not to get off topic but I have read the post by winkel G. U. T or Great Universal Theory post numerous times and (I hope I don't come across dense here) I can't figure out how to bet using that system.   If you (or somebody else) could point me in the right direction to get more concise information on how to bet so I can test that system out I would sincerely appreciate it!
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Re: Inside Number System - Wins within ten spins, Not betting every spin
May 10, 2009, 10:07:49 PM
Maybe I missed this but what happens if you track 20 spins and there are less than 17 unique numbers?  Do you continue tracking until there are 17 within the last 20 spins?  Do you track 20 more spins and hope for 17 unique numbers?  Do you keep going until you have 17 unique numbers and then bet?
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Re: Inside Number System - Wins within ten spins, Not betting every spin
May 10, 2009, 10:17:47 PM
So far I've done this twice and hit on my first spin both times.  The only downside I am seeing right now is that it is hard to track in the alloted time between bets if you are playing auto roulette like I do or if you are playing a real table at a B & M casino.  Can you clue us in on any tips as to how you do your tracking?  I think this has real potential if I could track and get my bet in time.  If you play online RNG, it shouldn't be a problem.  Do you have a tracker or a graph that helps you to keep track you could share with us?
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Re: Inside Number System - Wins within ten spins, Not betting every spin
May 10, 2009, 10:25:08 PM
Quote from: RPro75 link=topic=8929. msg54309#msg54309 date=1242004069
Maybe I missed this but what happens if you track 20 spins and there are less than 17 unique numbers?  Do you continue tracking until there are 17 within the last 20 spins?  Do you track 20 more spins and hope for 17 unique numbers?  Do you keep going until you have 17 unique numbers and then bet?

If there are less than 17 numbers in the last 20 spins you would just continue tracking the last 20 spins until there are 17 or more unique numbers.   You do not need to track a whole new 20 spins, you would remove whatever number came up on spin 1 and add whatever number came up on spin 21 (so you still have twenty numbers, it's just the last twenty spins that have come out).   I apoligize for the great detail, I'm not being condescending, I'm just trying to be as accurate as possible.

I currently use Roulette Xtremes "Wheel Frequency" for tracking, but I will have an excel based tracker shortly for those of you who do not have Roulette Xtreme.
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Re: Inside Number System - Wins within ten spins, Not betting every spin
May 10, 2009, 10:49:49 PM
Quote from: RPro75 link=topic=8929.   msg54310#msg54310 date=1242004667
So far I've done this twice and hit on my first spin both times.     The only downside I am seeing right now is that it is hard to track in the alloted time between bets if you are playing auto roulette like I do or if you are playing a real table at a B & M casino.     Can you clue us in on any tips as to how you do your tracking?  I think this has real potential if I could track and get my bet in time.     If you play online RNG, it shouldn't be a problem.     Do you have a tracker or a graph that helps you to keep track you could share with us?

I was originally going to post an excel tracker for those of you who don't have roulette xtreme, but I found this tracker in the downloads section of this forum.     It's called track4.   exe The link to download it is hxxp: vlsroulette.   com/index.   php?action=downloads;sa=downfile;id=307
Open the program and it says enter number then press enter.   .   .   .   enter -1 to go back to the last 20 spins entered.   .   .   enter -2 to undo last entry

You'll push 6 if the number 6 came out and push enter (repeat that process for any numbers to follow) and above all the numbers you've entered you'll see this:
0:  (any numbers that haven't appeared)

1:  (any numbers after this have appeared once)

2:  (any numbers after this have appeared twice)

3:  (any numbers after this have appeared three times)

>3:  (any numbers after this have appeared four times)   All you have to do to figure your unique numbers is subtract the number of #'s that appear anywhere below row one from what number spin your on.     So, for example, the screen shows the following:

0: 3 4 6 9 11 13 15 17 18 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 29 34 35 36

1: 0 2 5 7 10 12 14 19 27 28 30 31 32 33

2: 1 8 16

3:

>3:

spin 10: 1
spin 11: 19
spin 12: 16
spin 13: 31
spin 14: 27
spin 15: 2
spin 16: 7
spin 17: 12
spin 18: 30
spin 19: 5
spin 20: 33              So I'm on spin twenty according to the tracker (it only keeps the last ten spins onscreen but will track all thirty-seven spins, that's why spin one through nine aren't there) and there are 3 numbers that are in row 2.     So I subtract that number from the number spin I'm on (20) giving me 17 unique numbers.     You also have the option to count every number up there and that will also give you the amount of unique numbers but this just seems faster to me.     
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Re: Inside Number System - Wins within ten spins, Not betting every spin
May 10, 2009, 10:56:54 PM
Thanks for sharing your system....sounds very good....
When you lost one session how many units did you lose?
In other words how many wins are required to compensate for one loss?
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Re: Inside Number System - Wins within ten spins, Not betting every spin
May 10, 2009, 11:03:42 PM
Quote from: Bazeegar link=topic=8929. msg54318#msg54318 date=1242007014
Thanks for sharing your system. . . . sounds very good. . . .
When you lost one session how many units did you lose?
In other words how many wins are required to compensate for one loss?

It's hard to say exactly how many wins are required to compensate for one loss as you win a different amount each time you win. . . you also would lose a different amount each time it were to go past thirty-one spins.   How much I lost I unfortunately don't know because I never saved any of my sessions in roulette xtreme.   I do know however that even when I lost I was still up three or four hundred units (sorry for my lack of detail here, but whenever I find a system that seems to be working I get this stupid idea in my head that I won't ever lose  :diablo: so I start being lazy with keeping the details. )  However ever since that one loss I have been logging and saving my sessions and will post the results when I get to spin 1000.
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Re: Inside Number System - Wins within ten spins, Not betting every spin
May 10, 2009, 11:09:14 PM
Thanks for quick reply mate....I will wait for your results of 1000 spins...All the best :good:...

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6th to0 much to read
Mr J won't understand, from what i get from 1 of his comments.

[jay]

I think it’s really dangerous to play this way, too many numbers doesn’t guarantee definite hits either.
This is exactly why Vaddi suggests you should play a limited number of numbers and wait for favourable conditions without breaking the bank.
Repeater ranges will expand and contract within play in waves. You are hoping to take advantage of shortening ranges.
Keep surfing and exit when in profit, sometimes very quickly other times bit longer

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This uses Vaddi