What is the best selection Method to play single Dozens?

[RP501]

Would it be better to just pick 1 of the 3 Dozens and stick with it?  Or, is following the Dozens better?

What would you recommend for Stop-Loss?  I'm thinking stop at 6 Loses in-a-row, then restart when Dozen choice hits, or if following restart when Dozen hits 2 in-a-row.

And can someone give me the Labouchère progression for Dozens.  I know how it works for 1-1 EC, but how would that be for 2-1 Dozens?

I start session with online Live Wheel feed (not RNG) with minimum .10 cent chips units, with a $600 Limit on the Dozens / Columns, which will give me tons of headroom for long progression losses.

Thanks!

[poluvolo]

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[bluediamond2013]

Hello i play single dozens with this progession 1,2,3,4,6,9,14,21,31,47,70,105 and then double from then 210 420.

I did really well until i got greedy and hit a losing streak where the dozen didn't show for 16 spins!!

I don't know what the odds are of a dozen not showing for more than 12 spins.

Try it and let me know. I live in UK so im playing it on european roulette single Zero.

Thanks
Scott

[huskerdu]

Every system consists of two elements:
1. Bet selection
2. Money management

Personally, for bet selection for two dozens, I bet on the last two dozens, because it is more frequent for a dozen to sleep, than for the three to come up like 1-2-3-1-2-3.
For money management I use laBoucher for dozens

For LaBoucher with betting 2 dozens the change is that after every lost spin we add two times the lost bet, so we need 50,1% wins in order to enter the session :
Start with 1
Lose: The streak becomes 111 so I bet 2
Lose: The streak becomes 11122 so I bet 3
Lose: The streak becomes 1112233 so I bet 4
Lose: The streak becomes 111223344 so I bet 5
Win: The streak becomes 1122334 so I bet 5
Lose: The streak becomes 112233455 so I bet 6
Win: The streak becomes 1223345 so I bet 6
Lose: The streak becomes 122334566 so I bet 7
Win: The streak becomes 2233456 so I bet 8
Win: The streak becomes 23345 so I bet 7
Win: The streak becomes 334 so I bet 7
Lose: The streak becomes 33477 so I bet 10
Win: The streak becomes 347 so I bet 10
Win: The streak becomes 4  so I bet 4
Lose: The streak becomes 444  so I bet 8
Win: The streak becomes 4  so I bet 4
Win: End of session
So, with 9 wins and 8 loses I win the session with max bet 10 units

Good luck.

[winforus]

It really makes no difference in the long run. The odds and payouts are still the same.

The only way for you to win, is to increase the accuracy of your predictions. Bet selections don't have any effect on the accuracy of your predictions.

[huskerdu]

The only way for you to win, is to increase the accuracy of your predictions.

How can we increase the accuracy of our predictions?

[gizmotron2]

How can we increase the accuracy of our predictions?

If there are times when your guessing is far above the statistical expectation, like 52% chance of losing, in other words your guessing is running at +70%, then you have temporarily increased your predictions while it stays that way. So you must learn to know when you are above or below the balance point in your session. With this method you can use any bet selection technique that you want. But I recommend flat bets or no bets depending on what condition is occurring.

[winforus]

How can we increase the accuracy of our predictions?

At the moment, the only method that is proven to work in increasing the accuracy of predictions is using physics.

The other method, that was not proven, but has a lot of potential is precognition.

You should not be using any type of progression, unless you have increased the accuracy of your predictions. Otherwise, you risk distorting your true win rate and losing more than you would by flat betting.

[RP501]

I don't know what the odds are of a dozen not showing for more than 12 spins.
Try it and let me know. I live in UK so im playing it on european roulette single Zero.

I just did 50,000 spins run on Roulette Xtreme software. 

Maximum no-shows in-a-row -- Dozens & Columns:

1st Dozen -- 27
2nd Dozen -- 27
3rd Dozen -- 26

Column A -- 29
Column B -- 33
Column C -- 22

This just goes to show why Stop-Losses are crucial.   

[RP501]

Personally, for bet selection for two dozens, I bet on the last two dozens, because it is more frequent for a dozen to sleep, than for the three to come up like 1-2-3-1-2-3.

What if I just stick with 1st & 3rd Dozen and use stop-loss after 6-losses in-a-row, then restart when 1st & 3rd Dozen hits again -- To avoid the long successive runs that happens from time-to-time with a single Dozen.

[RP501]

The only way for you to win, is to increase the accuracy of your predictions. Bet selections don't have any effect on the accuracy of your predictions.

I use to Day Trade futures contracts, or at least tried to.  Using very expensive professional Trading Softwares with fancy charts, graphs & analytics, etc.  A very hard & costly lesson I learned was -- You CAN'T really "predict" the markets.  If you really could, then EVERYBODY would be trading the Markets!

The Markets will do what they will do -- the TRICK is to be "IN IT" whenever it makes it's MOVE.  How do successful Traders do it?  They have a "general" idea what the Markets might do and they just take a "gamble" and jump in, according to their own Analytics & Method.  The Bottom-Line is that they have a pretty good idea of how much Margin they need in their Trading Account to absorb unexpected "losing periods" and they ALWAYS use Stop-Losses.  They don't win every session, but are able to eventually come-out of the negative drawdowns with either some Profits or at the very least, were able to recoup ALL losing trades to come back-up to initial Account balance.

The same goes with professional Roulette play.  Since Roulette's characteristics are basically "random", it makes NO SENSE to "try to predict" it. Even when being random, it will produce "patterns". The problem is that you just don't know "when" these patterns will occur -- A similar predicament to what Investors encounter with Financial Markets. So you simply just do what Investors do -- come up with a decent Analytical Method and just "be IN-IT" -- Just play Roulette intelligently by using Stop-Losses and make sure you have an adequate Bank Roll to absorb unexpected losing periods according to your Method's analysis.

Btw, I don't agree with "flat-betting". It just doesn't make any sense, because the Zero or Double Zero "nullifies" that.  Yeah, I know the argument that Flat Betting works by using "advantage play" with gadgets, BUT Casinos are on to that and makes it difficult for Advantage Players -- they are "watched like a hawk" and will be eventually caught.  Online Live Wheel Casinos makes sure Advantage Players can't really SEE when the ball is released and the speed of the wheel, by adjusting the video camera shots to "prevent" players from implementing advantage play.

As for Progression betting, I believe most progressive Methods will fail long term, because of Table Limits and/or Bankroll going bust because of unexpected losing periods.  BUT there is a particular way to "tweak" the Labouchère method to "flatten" the progression rate that makes it more feasible to use.  PLUS you need to find a Casino with "high" Table Limits and very low Table Minimum.  I was able to find an online Live Wheel feed casino with a $600 Limit for Dozens & Columns, and a Minimum .10 cent chips.

I'm a Trader by nature, so making .10 Units increments doesn't bother me at all.  Real genuine Traders are in the game for the challenge of "beating the System" and coming out ahead in Long Term trading.  And Traders are NOT focused on the "money", they don't even look at their Trading Account balance while trading.  They focus on the "points" / "units".  So, starting with .10 unit bet increments with a $600 Limit, allows a very generous, more than ample "margin" to absorb unexpected losing periods when using a tweaked version of  Labouchère progression.

[RP501]

Personally, for bet selection for two dozens, I bet on the last two dozens, because it is more frequent for a dozen to sleep, than for the three to come up like 1-2-3-1-2-3.

I just tried a session with betting the last 2 Dozens.  Wow!  You are correct, it's a lot better than just sticking with the same 2 Dozens, even with Stop-Losses.

Thanks a Million!!! 

[Taotie]

I thought you wanted to bet on 1 dozen? Anyway..

Move the dolly (marker) 12 numbers ahead of the last number out. Bet on the dozen 'and or' column it lands on. You can keep counting in one direction or alternate the direction as for cw-ccw spins. You can further alternate between doz/col.

This will not increase the accuracy of predictions at all, but it is a fun way to doodle around with the doz/col layout bets.

Doodling around is all they're good for anyway, so what have you got to lose....not the house I hope.

[RP501]

I thought you wanted to bet on 1 dozen?

I did, but HUSKERDU brought up the 2 Dozen which I tried a while ago with a different progression which failed. But I never really tried the Labouchère with a Double Dozen. It looks pretty good when I just tried it.

Doodling around is all they're good for anyway, so what have you got to lose....

Yeah, I used to "doodle" when I first started playing Roulette.  Been there, done that -- it's ok if you're "rich" and have money to burn.   

[Darek]

For LaBoucher with betting 2 dozens the change is that after every lost spin we add two times the lost bet, so we need 50,1% wins in order to enter the session :
Start with 1
Lose: The streak becomes 111 so I bet 2
Lose: The streak becomes 11122 so I bet 3
Lose: The streak becomes 1112233 so I bet 4
Lose: The streak becomes 111223344 so I bet 5
Win: The streak becomes 1122334 so I bet 5
Lose: The streak becomes 112233455 so I bet 6
Win: The streak becomes 1223345 so I bet 6
Lose: The streak becomes 122334566 so I bet 7
Win: The streak becomes 2233456 so I bet 8
Win: The streak becomes 23345 so I bet 7
Win: The streak becomes 334 so I bet 7
Lose: The streak becomes 33477 so I bet 10
Win: The streak becomes 347 so I bet 10
Win: The streak becomes 4  so I bet 4
Lose: The streak becomes 444  so I bet 8
Win: The streak becomes 4  so I bet 4
Win: End of session

Hi,
@Huskerdu I understood that up to this point:

"Win: The streak becomes 23345 so I bet 7
Win: The streak becomes 334 so I bet 7
Lose: The streak becomes 33477 so I bet 10
Win: The streak becomes 347 so I bet 10
Win: The streak becomes 4  so I bet 4
Lose: The streak becomes 444  so I bet 8
Win: The streak becomes 4  so I bet 4
Win: End of session"

Why after losing "The streak becomes 334 so I bet 7" - the next bet is not: 33455, just  "The streak becomes 33477"?

Regards,
Darek