10 years on. What are the conclusion? What wins?

[Steve]

Casinos clearly NEVER thought of any of these.

Nobody competent has EVER did significant testing.

But we can. The casinos are screwed.

[cht]

So after all:
Bet selection: repeaters or random vs random with a soft progresion.

To huskerdu et al,

Repeaters don't work, confirmed.
Read gamblingforums where you find that this fact is stated by the staunchest supporters of repeaters. Few months ago.

Repeaters and sleepers don't work.
I wrote a long list of systems strategies that don't work. Fact.
Read the list.

You can bang your head on the wall or learn what don't work, try something else. Help yourself without wasting your money and life.
I make this post for your(newcomers) benefit.

***because of this post Steve and the mathboys will mock my post. No response.

[Steve]

Cht, good if you learned something, why mock? You know it takes more balls to admit and correct mistakes than it does to fight reality.

Everyone will benefit by learning from others who already know best, but verify what they say. Don't blindly believe. People might save themselves 10 years.

Then maybe in your lifetime people can learn something NEW instead of repeating same mistakes.

[Joe]

Then maybe in your lifetime people can learn something NEW instead of repeating same mistakes.

No need to learn something new, just learn something OLD which works. 

[huskerdu]

No need to learn something new, just learn something OLD which works. 

Is there any? 😀

[Joe]

Sure, traditional AP works. 

[meow]

Have you posted this method anywhere on this forum yet? 

My personal choice is Betting on the Even/Odd. I took Martin Silverthorne's Super Neural Strategy and I tweaked his Stops and his Targets and his Bet Selection and his Progression and am Winning 80% of the games, Winning 4 games to every Loss. The losing streak happens more with Red/Black and High/Low because of certain inconsistencies on the Wheel.

[Steeefan2014]

To huskerdu et al,

Repeaters don't work, confirmed.
Read gamblingforums where you find that this fact is stated by the staunchest supporters of repeaters. Few months ago.

Repeaters and sleepers don't work.
I wrote a long list of systems strategies that don't work. Fact.
Read the list.

You can bang your head on the wall or learn what don't work, try something else. Help yourself without wasting your money and life.
I make this post for your(newcomers) benefit.

***because of this post Steve and the mathboys will mock my post. No response.

Ok! Good! So, in this case it's final: no strategy/system works. We cleared that out! That leaves me with a question: why are we all still here then? Because, from what I see, the only thing that works is Steve's computers (Steve, if you're listing your company, let me know. I wanna buy shares).

[huskerdu]

My personal choice is Betting on the Even/Odd. I took Martin Silverthorne's Super Neural Strategy and I tweaked his Stops and his Targets and his Bet Selection and his Progression and am Winning 80% of the games,

I have read Silverthorne's Super Neural Strategy. it isn't any special method. Actually, he has copied this system from the  the "so called "Author's system" from the book "Monte Carlo anecdotes and systems of play" with a tweak on the progresion. He bets alternatevelly on the same and on th change of previous color. But if he fall on a couple of double colors (whixh is very comon) it is a disaster. The tweak to the progression is that instead of using 1-2-3-6 (that the authentic system uses), he uses a a modified fibannoci 5,8,13,20,35,50,75,100
I have played in the opast this system, didn't work
I don't know what tweaks have you mad and you say that you have such positive results

[ati]

Ok! Good! So, in this case it's final: no strategy/system works. We cleared that out! That leaves me with a question: why are we all still here then? Because, from what I see, the only thing that works is Steve's computers (Steve, if you're listing your company, let me know. I wanna buy shares).

For various reasons, like interacting with others who have the same interest, learning new things, helping out others who have questions, and many are hoping that one day somebody will actually post a consistent winner.

There are many different ways to study roulette and there are many different approaches that try to solve the problem of roulette. You don't even have to come up with all kind of systems and progressions to work on a wining method, and you certainly don't need to test millions of spins. The first step is to understand why all systems lose and why it is mathematically impossible(?) to beat the house edge. Then you have to think about possible ways to invalidate some of the facts related to random outcomes that make all systems lose. Of course 99% of the people would say that is impossible, because they cannot think outside the box, and they are unable to change their mindset. It is actually not something that can be easily done. It took me years to understand many of the hints and clues that have been posted on the forum, and I still don't have a winning system. But I know I'm getting there.

[amk]

Great thread!

After 10  years I still dont know but roulette intrigues me, I think its possible to have a winning method.

I think I am going to start playing LIVE, playing 100 different methods for only X amount of sessions

and keep increasing my betting units exponentially.

I think Ignatius has posted that many winning methods

at least for the amount of times he tested them.........

But what do I know : )

[Steve]

Everyone's two best options are either try something new, or something we already know works. Stop wasting time on shit like repeaters.

Any working method must have cause and effect, ie a reason why your predictions are better than random. People like turbo have misled others but we all have our own brains.

[winforus]

Ok! Good! So, in this case it's final: no strategy/system works. We cleared that out! That leaves me with a question: why are we all still here then? Because, from what I see, the only thing that works is Steve's computers (Steve, if you're listing your company, let me know. I wanna buy shares).

What works is traditional AP (which computers are based on) and precogniton.

Tradtional ap includes visual ballistics, dealer’s signature, wheel bias, etc. They all work, but without computers edge is smaller and requires more work.

Before ever learning or reading about roulette strategy, and not even knowing that computer exists - I played for 8 months by tracking the dealers and the spin outcomes - where on the wheel they landed. I was using dealer’s signature without even knowing and ended up being up lifetime almost 1000 units ( was betting the minimum â,¬1 bets). I knew already logically and intuively that the only way to beat the math was to increase the accuracy of predictions and only slightly - to beat the edge.

Thanks to this forum, I discovered precogniton and can say 100% from direct experience that it works - but requires practice just like any skill. Steve himself said it himself and think’s that it’s the future of AP.

My advice to everyone is the same as Steve’s and Joe’s - stop wasting your time on systems and stupid things which don’t work and instead focus on what we know already works or look for new ways - like precogniton for example.

If everyone would come to this realization - we would all benefit from it and would have more winning players and methods developed in a much shorter time period.

If you have been on this forum a long time and not completely new to roulette - there is no excuse for you to continue deluding yourself and others.

[Richard Meisel]

I have read Silverthorne's Super Neural Strategy. it isn't any special method. Actually, he has copied this system from the  the "so called "Author's system" from the book "Monte Carlo anecdotes and systems of play" with a tweak on the progresion. He bets alternatevelly on the same and on th change of previous color. But if he fall on a couple of double colors (whixh is very comon) it is a disaster. The tweak to the progression is that instead of using 1-2-3-6 (that the authentic system uses), he uses a a modified fibannoci 5,8,13,20,35,50,75,100
I have played in the opast this system, didn't work
I don't know what tweaks have you mad and you say that you have such positive results

My system is quite different, but I based it on his system. Tweaking his Stops and Targets helped a lot. The Bet Selection is, of course, the most important. I use a few but the most successful for me is Loss 1 = Change, Loss 2 = Change, Loss 3 = Change, Loss 4 = Same, Loss 5 = Change, Loss 6 = Change, etc. The losing streak with the Even/Odd bets are EOEOO or OEOEE which occur a lot less than RBRBB, BRBRR, and HLHLL, LHLHH because of their positions on the wheel. Now I know that it can be proven that this is a losing system in the LONG run. It just hasn't happened to me yet. My Stops and Targets have protected me. I like Giz's Reading Randomness system. Even an educated guess is still a guess. It's hard to find a sure proof system to beat Roulette that doesn't involve a guess.

[cht]

For various reasons, like interacting with others who have the same interest, learning new things, helping out others who have questions, and many are hoping that one day somebody will actually post a consistent winner.

There are many different ways to study roulette and there are many different approaches that try to solve the problem of roulette. You don't even have to come up with all kind of systems and progressions to work on a wining method, and you certainly don't need to test millions of spins. The first step is to understand why all systems lose and why it is mathematically impossible(?) to beat the house edge. Then you have to think about possible ways to invalidate some of the facts related to random outcomes that make all systems lose. Of course 99% of the people would say that is impossible, because they cannot think outside the box, and they are unable to change their mindset. It is actually not something that can be easily done. It took me years to understand many of the hints and clues that have been posted on the forum, and I still don't have a winning system. But I know I'm getting there.

To highlight 2 very important points that's missing with ALL systems strategy,

1. There must be a reason WHY the systems strategy work. Without this reason WHY you can be sure that it fails. Base it on some science or math fact. Hypothetically extrapolate this law or principle onto roulette spins. Probe test if this extrapolated hypothesis holds up. If yes then do a big live data test to confirm it.

2. As Ati says, find out how and why your systems model fail. Mindless testing will bring about no gain. Look at the details of actual permutations of live wheel and prng to determine the nature of the spins especially the death roll sequence. It requires serious hard work and brains.

You hv no chance to design a systems model based on what's posted on forums. That's the truth that a few of us who worked together can confirm with no reservation. We've done that 24/7 for more than a year, won the t-shirt. Not a mistake, rather a great get together learning opportunity pitting few of the best minds in roulette - it's a great honor and pleasure.

I hv shown a actual flatbet game to 4 members without explanation - I hv posted the basis. As Ati says hoping for someone to post a consistent winner. I might do it when the programmer confirms it's validity, no promises. Roulette is just fun and entertainment to me and not income or wealth creation. 6th is your other best bet.

AP and RC works due to application of physics principles when applied can calculate to determine the location of the spin with increase accuracy of statistical significance. PROVIDED the physics differential equations are applied in the process.

Systems model requires to determine IF Condition A happens more often than condition B in a statistically consistent and significant level. Prove that this exist in roulette spins.