Best red/black system?

[cht]

Another patient game waiting for alignment.

Study both these examples to understand how to play Vdw to win.

[cht]

Tracker explanation.

Tracker has 2 parts of information.

Left box is Wiggy's 4 couplets.

Right box is Vdw.

[poluvolo]

HI
I wonder if could be possible for someone explain
a little better this strategy with a small example
still very confuse

[jono1167]

Best EC has been discussed few years ago - Wdw.
I posted the excel tracker, also hv baccarat version.
Check out Wiggy's short thread - it's a winner.

Great information CHT. It sounds interesting. I'll dissect this thoroughly over the next few days. Cheers

[mohitomish]

I am not sure but so far I have gathered this,

We wait until 3 of the 4 patterns of an even chance are formed i.e  HH  LL HL , Now only LH remains so we bet against it. But here is where we have to align it with VDW to decide whether to bet or not depending on whether AP has been formed or not,

Is this correct CHT?

Thanks

[Taotie]

Easy.
The best way to bet on EC's is a simple race to 5.
Bet on whichever EC is first to reach 4. Hopefully it reaches 5 before the other one catches up.

You can figure out the rest.

[Steeefan2014]

Easy.
The best way to bet on EC's is a simple race to 5.
Bet on whichever EC is first to reach 4. Hopefully it reaches 5 before the other one catches up.

You can figure out the rest.

Easy one! Simple martingale and if both get to 4, either bet on luck and choose one of them, either take the loss and start over. 

[cht]

I am not sure but so far I have gathered this,

We wait until 3 of the 4 patterns of an even chance are formed i.e  HH  LL HL , Now only LH remains so we bet against it. But here is where we have to align it with VDW to decide whether to bet or not depending on whether AP has been formed or not,

Is this correct CHT?

Thanks

Correct, we align Vdw where the proposal bet is to complete, we bet against.
(Note - it can be any number of lookback cells, provided completion is possible)

In this example, the proposal bet is mutual bet, we chose red to prevent it to complete.

[huskerdu]

Easy.
The best way to bet on EC's is a simple race to 5.
Bet on whichever EC is first to reach 4. Hopefully it reaches 5 before the other one catches up.

What about if after the 4th Black follow 4 Reds?
We have already  4 loses and then?
What do we do? We have now 4 Reds. We start betting on Reds in order a 5th Red to appear?  Or continue with Blacks? Until when? And if we bet on Reds and then some   Blacks start appearing?..
We bet flat bet or any progression? We have stop loss and start over after the next 4th EC?
I think it's not so easy as it seems.

[Steeefan2014]

What about if after the 4th Black follow 4 Reds?
We have already  4 loses and then?
What do we do? We have now 4 Reds. We start betting on Reds in order a 5th Red to appear?  Or continue with Blacks? Until when? And if we bet on Reds and then some   Blacks start appearing?..
We bet flat bet or any progression? We have stop loss and start over after the next 4th EC?
I think it's not so easy as it seems.

If you get to 4 reds, you bet on red. Simple as that! If 4 blacks shows up, you lost 15units (considering the fact that you play martingale). Either take the loss and start over (with a recovery plan), either place another bet and see if you get lucky!

[mohitomish]

Correct, we align Vdw where the proposal bet is to complete, we bet against.
(Note - it can be any number of lookback cells, provided completion is possible)

In this example, the proposal bet is mutual bet, we chose red to prevent it to complete.

Hi CHt,

thanks for the confirmation, I have two questions

a) So we only play when we have mutual bet selection conditions and choose the even chance which is against the last remaining pattern?

b) Does this produce edge?

[cht]

Hi CHt,

thanks for the confirmation, I have two questions

a) So we only play when we have mutual bet selection conditions and choose the even chance which is against the last remaining pattern?
In this example the proposal bet is mutual bet, we bet red against. If the proposal bet is red we don't bet because it won't form the 4th pattern. If the proposal bet is black to form the 4th pattern, then we bet red against.

b) Does this produce edge?

In my probe test it wins more then lose. You can test it yourself. Or a rx coder test it over large live data sample. Post here the result.

[Taotie]

What about if after the 4th Black follow 4 Reds?
We have already  4 loses and then?
What do we do? We have now 4 Reds. We start betting on Reds in order a 5th Red to appear?  Or continue with Blacks? Until when? And if we bet on Reds and then some   Blacks start appearing?..
We bet flat bet or any progression? We have stop loss and start over after the next 4th EC?
I think it's not so easy as it seems.

Sorry, I didn't mean the game was easy, I meant it's easy the best EC system. But it is easy to play once you're up and running.

If you start a session with 4 black followed by 4 red then yes, you have 4 losses. So what? A wL registry of LLLL happens often when playing EC's.

if your session starts with 4 black followed by 4 red, you have 4 losses. The race to 5 is now tied with neither EC leading so there can be no further bet. Simply strike out the furthest back so that each EC now has 3 hits. The next EC to show is the new race leader with a 4v3 advantage. The next bet is 'follow the last'.

Each time the race is tied strike out the furthest back and record the next spin.

There is no need to consider spins further back than the current race, so always strike out ties @4, and also strike out furthest back when a race ends. This allows a continuum and mostly keeps you in the game.

I would suggest using a D'Alembert rather than a Martingale. A modified D'Alembert is even better.

Like I said, you can figure out the rest....

[Steeefan2014]

Sorry, I didn't mean the game was easy, I meant it's easy the best EC system. But it is easy to play once you're up and running.

If you start a session with 4 black followed by 4 red then yes, you have 4 losses. So what? A wL of LLLL happens often when playing EC's.

if your session starts with 4 black followed by 4 red, you have 4 losses. The race to 5 is now tied with neither EC leading so there can be no further bet. Simply strike out the furthest back so that each EC now has 3 hits. The next EC to show is the new race leader with a 4v3 advantage. The next bet is 'follow the last'.

Each time the race is tied strike out the furthest back and record the next spin.

There is no need to consider spins further back than the current race, so always strike out ties @4, and also strike out furthest back when a race ends. This allows a continuum and mostly keeps you in the game.

I would suggest using a D'Alembert rather than a Martingale. A modified D'Alembert is even better.

Like I said, you can figure out the rest....

So, this is the way you play AND WIN?

[Taotie]

No. This is just a spot play for me. A simple way to bet in down time, or when I don't want to get into a serious session, and maybe earn a few dollars.

I don't normally play EC's if I'm on the job.

When played in conjunction with my own modified D'Alembert it is a very robust EC method, easily adapted to baccarat.

I was once registered on this forum as skakus. This is the EC system I played to destroy both John Legend and the Bayes Challenge a few years ago.

Got up to a z-score of around 5 over about 8000 spins before the challenge fizzled out.

As of now, no one has or can beat that result.