Reading Randomness ( The Real Way ) @ Roulette Simulator

[Steve]

Gizmo, whats the longest steak of uptrend you can show us?

[gizmotron2]

Gizmo, whats the longest steak(sic) of uptrend you can show us?

I enjoy talking with you. You are clearly a serious gambler.

I'll have to search. But the two events that sent me down this road was when I first discovered it.  I saw a perfect pattern form in front of me and I only had $60. It was the same 12 numbers I had assembled as an idea that sectors of the wheel have a sort of magical power of some imagined advantage where by selecting sectors like spokes you could level out volatility. Over the years I have discovered that there is no magical solution that levels out the volatility of randomness. It is what it is. So those same 12 numbers were hitting in a repeating pattern perfectly. They would hit like ( hit, hit, not hit ) in that same repeating pattern. So I took the $60 in $5 Red casino chips and placed them on the 12 numbers after a ( not hit ). It worked. In fact I only bet big and bigger on the ( hit ) parts of the sequence. I rode that for about 30 more spins to a point where I could see it breaking down from its perfect form. I walked with a little over $3,000 after that session.

It took nearly a decade from that point to stop assigning magical power to trends and patterns and to realize that it was just a coincidence that trends that are in a favorable condition only work that way because you bet on them when they are occurring. In other words trends are both good and bad. They are volatile. It's just as volatile as a blind guess. It's not the trend or pattern that counts. It's your sense of timing. Or maybe I could call it your sense of catching momentum. I consider it a skill or an art form. But getting back to your question on the longest streak. I encountered a trend that I just could not believe could happen and so I bet against it like a stupid "gambler's fallacy" noob.

I had another section of the wheel that was made up from a connected sequence of 12 numbers. So there where those 12 numbers and then there were the other 26 numbers.  Well those same 12 numbers went on an incredible state of diminished appearances, something later that described as a "sleeping dozen." They were not gone completely but they just hardly ever showed up. I switched between 4 active tables next to each other and the same thing kept happening at each table when I would move. It lasted for more than 4.5 hours. I bet against it until I lost my paycheck for the week.  That was when I knew that there must be something to this trend and pattern thing.  Iv';e seen the same dozen sleep perfectly for 33 spins in a row once. I see the same EC hit around 18 to 22 times in a row at least three or four times per year.  You can write a program that hunts for EC streaks and run it against 100,000 spins and get an average.

One thing is for sure. Just because you just arrived at a casino does not mean that your pet set of spins or sequences will, all of a sudden, welcome you. Trends, patterns, and your synchronizing with them just happen out of common volatility.  All I do is recognize when trends or patterns would be in a winning state if I were to place bets on them. I can only consistently win if I'm lucky enough to fit inside the timing of the sequences. Some sessions are easy. Others require a great deal of patience.  You must not get killed off by making bad decisions while waiting for an opportunity to attack the few win streak opportunities. Greed is the outright enemy of this method of play.

Although I have spent many years, even decades, hunting the huge win streaks I have discovered that the mini win streaks and  having a stop win spot in each session is what works the best for me. So I don't hunt the monster win streaks any more. That goes back to about 2.5 years ago when I wised up and dropped hunting huge win streaks.  You take that and a video I watched here and you get what I do now.  I just surf the waves of chance and take the first win / stop win spot that I encounter.  It's simple. It deals with the greed problem and the need to hit a giant win streak. So I use a multi level flat betting process.

It all comes down to what a stranger said to me while walking into the door of a casino more than 30 years ago. I asked him what the secret to all this was. He answered "bet big when you are doing good and bet small when you aren't."

That is my big secret. There is nothing new at all to it. I just turned into a mapped gathering of specific characteristics that fall into sequences of coincidence. The skill is in seeing a working trend or pattern in a chart with the ability to utilize visual dexterity. You add knowing that at the time if you were to bet on it, and for it to continue, then you would win. The trend and the win streak occur at the same time.  So timing, "when you are doing good, bet big" is the winning factor.  It all comes down to how easy or hard this timing and sequencing matches up.  So I taught that to others. You can get skilled at good timing and strategic betting amounts.   That is why I suggested to you that you can know when you are in a winning streak.  All the pit bosses know when I'm in a win streak. It's one more reason why I stop on three net wins and done.  They don't see any win streaks unless it's part of a recovery streak. It's just a game.

[Moxy]

I enjoy talking with you. You are clearly a serious gambler.

I'll have to search. But the two events that sent me down this road was when I first discovered it.  I saw a perfect pattern form in front of me and I only had $60. It was the same 12 numbers I had assembled as an idea that sectors of the wheel have a sort of magical power of some imagined advantage where by selecting sectors like spokes you could level out volatility. Over the years I have discovered that there is no magical solution that levels out the volatility of randomness. It is what it is. So those same 12 numbers were hitting in a repeating pattern perfectly. They would hit like ( hit, hit, not hit ) in that same repeating pattern. So I took the $60 in $5 Red casino chips and placed them on the 12 numbers after a ( not hit ). It worked. In fact I only bet big and bigger on the ( hit ) parts of the sequence. I rode that for about 30 more spins to a point where I could see it breaking down from its perfect form. I walked with a little over $3,000 after that session.

It took nearly a decade from that point to stop assigning magical power to trends and patterns and to realize that it was just a coincidence that trends that are in a favorable condition only work that way because you bet on them when they are occurring. In other words trends are both good and bad. They are volatile. It's just as volatile as a blind guess. It's not the trend or pattern that counts. It's your sense of timing. Or maybe I could call it your sense of catching momentum. I consider it a skill or an art form. But getting back to your question on the longest streak. I encountered a trend that I just could not believe could happen and so I bet against it like a stupid "gambler's fallacy" noob.

I had another section of the wheel that was made up from a connected sequence of 12 numbers. So there where those 12 numbers and then there were the other 26 numbers.  Well those same 12 numbers went on an incredible state of diminished appearances, something later that described as a "sleeping dozen." They were not gone completely but they just hardly ever showed up. I switched between 4 active tables next to each other and the same thing kept happening at each table when I would move. It lasted for more than 4.5 hours. I bet against it until I lost my paycheck for the week.  That was when I knew that there must be something to this trend and pattern thing.  Iv';e seen the same dozen sleep perfectly for 33 spins in a row once. I see the same EC hit around 18 to 22 times in a row at least three or four times per year.  You can write a program that hunts for EC streaks and run it against 100,000 spins and get an average.

One thing is for sure. Just because you just arrived at a casino does not mean that your pet set of spins or sequences will, all of a sudden, welcome you. Trends, patterns, and your synchronizing with them just happen out of common volatility.  All I do is recognize when trends or patterns would be in a winning state if I were to place bets on them. I can only consistently win if I'm lucky enough to fit inside the timing of the sequences. Some sessions are easy. Others require a great deal of patience.  You must not get killed off by making bad decisions while waiting for an opportunity to attack the few win streak opportunities. Greed is the outright enemy of this method of play.

Although I have spent many years, even decades, hunting the huge win streaks I have discovered that the mini win streaks and  having a stop win spot in each session is what works the best for me. So I don't hunt the monster win streaks any more. That goes back to about 2.5 years ago when I wised up and dropped hunting huge win streaks.  You take that and a video I watched here and you get what I do now.  I just surf the waves of chance and take the first win / stop win spot that I encounter.  It's simple. It deals with the greed problem and the need to hit a giant win streak. So I use a multi level flat betting process.

It all comes down to what a stranger said to me while walking into the door of a casino more than 30 years ago. I asked him what the secret to all this was. He answered "bet big when you are doing good and bet small when you aren't."

That is my big secret. There is nothing new at all to it. I just turned into a mapped gathering of specific characteristics that fall into sequences of coincidence. The skill is in seeing a working trend or pattern in a chart with the ability to utilize visual dexterity. You add knowing that at the time if you were to bet on it, and for it to continue, then you would win. The trend and the win streak occur at the same time.  So timing, "when you are doing good, bet big" is the winning factor.  It all comes down to how easy or hard this timing and sequencing matches up.  So I taught that to others. You can get skilled at good timing and strategic betting amounts.   That is why I suggested to you that you can know when you are in a winning streak.  All the pit bosses know when I'm in a win streak. It's one more reason why I stop on three net wins and done.  They don't see any win streaks unless it's part of a recovery streak. It's just a game.

For breakfast.

[gizmotron2]

For breakfast.

Moxic Toxic, ... lunch, I just ate your lunch. So there, I know you are but what am I?

[Moxy]

Moxic Toxic, ... lunch, I just ate your lunch. So there, I know you are but what am I?

And dinner.

[gizmotron2]

I get it Moxic Toxic. You are the forum fly. Your Challenge is just to buzz around like a fly that eats sh*t and bothers people.

I'll just call you Fly from now on.

[winforus]

These people that say I'm using precognition unconsciously to get my wins. Suppose they are using win streak recognition unconsciously. That is more believable perhaps. Using confirmation bias to validate a theory is not good scientific practice. It's just lazy psychological scotoma, cognitive dissonance. If you have the power then it must be a win streak. If you are using a progression then it must be a lucky streak.

All I do is increase the bets when the luck changes to the good. I decrease the bets when the luck changes to the bad. I get killed when I get lazy. The temptation to increase the bets into a losing streak is a strong and powerful form of laziness. Those of us that have perfected winning techniques first started out on progressions. That lazy solution is always there tempting you. It's like a band-aid when you need a tourniquet.

You can call it precognition, or reading "randomness", - I think you are just arguing about semantics. No matter how you call it - if you are able to sense or get a feel of when "luck is coming", or when a certain trend is coming - you are doing something that majority of players are unable to do.

Also, you are not using a typical "system" - because system players actually make random bets, only according to bet sizes, progression, or some kind of a trend - that has nothing to do with timing, sensing/feeling, etc.

Your approach (assuming what you claim is true), actually changes the odds in your favor, as it increases the accuracy of your predictions (bets that you place).  In other words, you place higher bets when the accuracy is higher (good luck coming), and decrease the bets (when bad luck is coming) when accuracy is lower - thus you end up profiting.

Precognition, roulette computers, and other methods that actually work - all end up increase the accuracy of predictions, just using different methods. The "system players" don't do this - thus they end up losing. I just wanted to clarify this, as I seen you arguing, without understanding that you were only arguing about semantics.

[gizmotron2]

You can call it precognition, or reading "randomness", - I think you are just arguing about semantics. No matter how you call it - if you are able to sense or get a feel of when "luck is coming", or when a certain trend is coming - you are doing something that majority of players are unable to do.

Also, you are not using a typical "system" - because system players actually make random bets, only according to bet sizes, progression, or some kind of a trend - that has nothing to do with timing, sensing/feeling, etc.

Your approach (assuming what you claim is true), actually changes the odds in your favor, as it increases the accuracy of your predictions (bets that you place).  In other words, you place higher bets when the accuracy is higher (good luck coming), and decrease the bets (when bad luck is coming) when accuracy is lower - thus you end up profiting.

Precognition, roulette computers, and other methods that actually work - all end up increase the accuracy of predictions, just using different methods. The "system players" don't do this - thus they end up losing. I just wanted to clarify this, as I seen you arguing, without understanding that you were only arguing about semantics.

Interesting perspective. There are two primary points that stick out to me.

This:

get a feel of when "luck is coming",

and this:

...actually changes the odds in your favor, as it increases the accuracy of your predictions (bets that you place).

Actually I'm mechanically searching for when I'm already in a win streak thru the use of virtual bets. I go from underfunded to funded. Secondarily you can call this prediction, semantically, but I see it as a conditional awareness of the "NOW" condition.  So I see it as speculation on an existing state. But if I then see the favorable state and test the waters with a bigger bet then it might be easy to see all these machinations as a type of prediction.  What matters has always been my primary goal in all this.

Precognition, roulette computers, and other methods that actually work - all end up ( to ) increase the accuracy of predictions,

Perhaps so. I have always attributed all this to a discovery that the math is wrong. Perhaps the math is right and that I have some unique power. I have taught this to people that have demonstrated an advantage over the mathematical expectation. But I'm willing to wait on final judgment. I hope there is something far more definitive than a simple explanation of semantics. I have successfully debunked the math or I have special powers that I can't define as real.  This kind of thinking would have gotten me burned at the stake a few centuries ago. Now I'm just a curiosity at best.  But I sure am having fun over at the Roulette Simulator.  The casinos are just beginning to open back up. I'm waiting to see if all these protest will start a second wave. So the sim for now is a lot of fun.

[Moxy]

Interesting perspective. There are two primary points that stick out to me.

This:
and this:

Actually I'm mechanically searching for when I'm already in a win streak thru the use of virtual bets. I go from underfunded to funded. Secondarily you can call this prediction, semantically, but I see it as a conditional awareness of the "NOW" condition.  So I see it as speculation on an existing state. But if I then see the favorable state and test the waters with a bigger bet then it might be easy to see all these machinations as a type of prediction.  What matters has always been my primary goal in all this.

Perhaps so. I have always attributed all this to a discovery that the math is wrong. Perhaps the math is right and that I have some unique power. I have taught this to people that have demonstrated an advantage over the mathematical expectation. But I'm willing to wait on final judgment. I hope there is something far more definitive than a simple explanation of semantics. I have successfully debunked the math or I have special powers that I can't define as real.  This kind of thinking would have gotten me burned at the stake a few centuries ago. Now I'm just a curiosity at best.  But I sure am having fun over at the Roulette Simulator.  The casinos are just beginning to open back up. I'm waiting to see if all these protest will start a second wave. So the sim for now is a lot of fun.

Oh brother.

[gizmotron2]

Oh brother.

Fly, you pathetic fly you.  Don't you recognize wit?  Stop looking at the Polka Dotted Unicorns.

[Moxy]

Fly, you pathetic fly you.  Don't you recognize wit?  Stop looking at the Polka Dotted Unicorns.

Novels are for binders.  Or paperback.

[winforus]

Perhaps so. I have always attributed all this to a discovery that the math is wrong. Perhaps the math is right and that I have some unique power. I have taught this to people that have demonstrated an advantage over the mathematical expectation. But I'm willing to wait on final judgment. I hope there is something far more definitive than a simple explanation of semantics. I have successfully debunked the math or I have special powers that I can't define as real.  This kind of thinking would have gotten me burned at the stake a few centuries ago. Now I'm just a curiosity at best.  But I sure am having fun over at the Roulette Simulator.  The casinos are just beginning to open back up. I'm waiting to see if all these protest will start a second wave. So the sim for now is a lot of fun.

They are not mutually exclusive. Math is just a tool. If the payouts were "fair" or proportional to the odds - then math would not play as much of a role. When you say you that you "debunked math", what you are saying, is that you are able to overcome the unfair payouts in proportion to the odds.

The math remains true for Casinos and players that make random bets. Since most players make random bets (not just at Roulette but at all the other games of chance) - casinos end up winning. If the odds were reversed, and if the players would receive payouts say not 35 to 1 but 37 to 1 - then the players who would make random bets would be profiting.

A non Roulette example would be Black Jack professional players who would count cards, and thus make the odds in their favor. Once Casinos detect them, they ban them - as casinos don't want to lose.

Or take a 6 sided dice - if it rolls 5 or above, I pay you double that you wager. If you role 4 or below - you lose wager. Would you take that deal? Of course not, as the payouts are not proportional to the odds (math). Now, if you were able to predict accurately, when it rolls certain numbers, you surely wouldn't mind - as you wouldn't bet or bet a very little amount when it rolls certain numbers and bet bigger when you know certain numbers are coming. You would turn the odds in your favor. This is essentially what you are doing with Roulette. As you can see, math is just a tool.

And regarding the now vs prediction, yes this is just semantics. You are making your decision on what will likely happen in the next spin, in the "now" based on awareness. To me, the word "prediction" comes to mind, but you can use any word that you like, just understand that it's semantics.

[gizmotron2]

Or take a 6 sided dice - if it rolls 5 or above, I pay you double that you wager. If you role 4 or below - you lose wager. Would you take that deal? Of course not, as the payouts are not proportional to the odds (math). Now, if you were able to predict accurately, when it rolls certain numbers, you surely wouldn't mind - as you wouldn't bet or bet a very little amount when it rolls certain numbers and bet bigger when you know certain numbers are coming. You would turn the odds in your favor. This is essentially what you are doing with Roulette. As you can see, math is just a tool.

Actually you should know that I don't concern myself with any math regarding Roulette. We all know that the zero and the double zero can go into common phases where they tend to sleep for as many as 100 or more spins without an appearance. We also know the the two zeros can get over active. Half of my groups on my charts contain the zeros. I watch for their apparent activity and adjust according to observation. You have three conditions that are the most common. You have inactive, normal, about every 17 spins, and you have hugely active.  So In that way, I change the math. I also look for two other numbers that have been sleeping to offset the payout odds when the zeros are active.  Everyone is looking for the hottest repeaters. Funny, I'm looking for the two coldest numbers in order to ignore them by not placing bets on them.  If the zero and double zero can sleep for 100 or more spins so can any other two numbers.  Roulette is the only game where you can try to take control of the odds most of the times.   Oh, BTW, did I forget to mention that in all these years of dropping hints? It must be written somewhere in all these years at some forgotten forum. I'm generally in a condition of a level playing field.  I few of us went on a quest to program the ability to change the odds by eliminating swarms of zeros. I never told people that there are always a few numbers sleeping somewhere all the time.  What does Turbo say?  You can't get to three until you first go thru two.  He's watching for conditional situations. I'm doing the very same thing. Only I'm looking for the coldest numbers. No point in funding bets on them if you can find them.

You are making your decision on what will likely happen in the next spin, in the "now" based on awareness.

Actually I'm just doing for EC's what Turbo and his "repeaters" crowd are trying to do. You cant get to 3 unless it already got to 2 first.  I'm only betting or taking a risk on something that is already occurring.  It's not a consideration on anything being likely. It can only happen if it is already happening. It's a guess. 

As I have spelled out clearly. Occurrences of trends also flow in phases of swarms. I'm always on the lookout for the size of trends. These characteristics flow in patterns of similar sizes. So I exploit these mini swarms.  Math has nothing to do with random distribution when it comes to randomness's characteristics once you break it all down with a construct based on characteristics and swarms. Once you can see this stuff, Reading Randomness, you can no longer go back to not seeing it. Your eyes are opened.

It's not prediction. It's just allowing yourself to be in position when the coincidence all falls into place. I can murder the casino in a swarm of doubles. There are times when there are no singles to be found. These are gifts of coincidental opportunity. But you must have the ability to see them when they occur. You must have the skill to attack when it is working and to back off when it is not working.

I consider this more like an ability to adjust to changes, while they occur. You play loose. You don't have to win every bet. You just have to win a few more than you lose. You must have the bankroll to maneuver without fear.

It's just like the most severe of all ski extreme. You must know that you can do this and know 100% for sure that you will not get killed because you will execute the skill required to do it. They really call this skiing with consequences. Well this is just the same thing. It's gambling with consequences. 

I'm no good at prediction. I can't do it. I can get a feeling once in a while but that is not enough for me to beat the casino. I take them down because at times she lifts up her dress and lets you see what you want to see.  MathZombies only see a percentage working against them.  It's funny what people will attach to. It's like Black Lives Matter. These people are just being puppets to peer pressure. It's really stay on the plantation of you captive mind or we will label you an "Uncle Tom." There has never been a more opportune time for a black person to make up their own minds and forge ahead and make their own prosperity. But those that have staked their own lives on being the socialist caregivers of government want these people to believe that others are holding them back and that it is not worth it to try. So they too are blinded by someone else's effort to control their minds. People like to pack in groups. It's a basic fear instinct. They would rather have everyone suffer in abstract poverty than to have anyone break out of their control and prove them wrong. And they have created a brainwashed larger group with this hatred of America the way that it is. All thanks to a total takeover of the education system. They are at war with the rest of us just scratching our heads and wondering how all this and these value have changed. People want to be comfortable and civil. So now they cry out to defund the police. So where are the parades to defend the police? People are scared to get singles out. That is the brainwashing that has been done to our culture.  The thought of people discovering the ability to think for themselves if frightening to them. That is their greatest fear. They fear being discovered that they are irrelevant and unnecessary.

I defy the math because I don't fear ignoring it.

[winforus]

I don't think you still understood what I wrote. For example, I wrote "XXXXY", and you read it as "XXXDK"

The words that I typed - had a specific meaning, and you seem to be too attached to the identity that you created for yourself - "overcoming math, proving math zombies wrong", etc - that you can't see that you are arguing about the semantics. Read again my post more carefully and what I wrote - without being too attached to the words or the method that you created for yourself.

I respect the fact that unlike most here - you play on roulette simulator and that you are willing to back up your claims. The only thing - is that you are too attached to the semantics and your approach, that you end up arguing with people when it's unnecessary. In other words, you are too immersed in content - and don't have much view of the structure. Once you realize this, you will be able to teach other people more effectively, if that's what you wish to do.

[gizmotron2]

I don't think you still understood what I wrote. For example, I wrote "XXXXY", and you read it as "XXXDK"

The words that I typed - had a specific meaning, and you seem to be too attached to the identity that you created for yourself - "overcoming math, proving math zombies wrong", etc - that you can't see that you are arguing about the semantics. Read again my post more carefully and what I wrote - without being too attached to the words or the method that you created for yourself.

I respect the fact that unlike most here - you play on roulette simulator and that you are willing to back up your claims. The only thing - is that you are too attached to the semantics and your approach, that you end up arguing with people when it's unnecessary. In other words, you are too immersed in content - and don't have much view of the structure. Once you realize this, you will be able to teach other people more effectively, if that's what you wish to do.

I get to decide what things mean to me when I read them, control freak bitch. I have been taking damaged conceptions and inferences off the mathBoyz and the mathNazi's for decades. I'm not projecting anything here.  It's you with your subjective compulsion to pigeonhole the process of communication over a need for semantics. It ain't semantics. It's specific. It's in your head as some kind of rhetorical manifestation. It's not that important to communicate if all you want to do is lecture me on how your words are sufficient, especially since in your mind I misunderstood them. Screw you and your position on increasing an ability to predict things.  Did that pass the semantics test? I know what I'm doing. You have clearly made it known that you don't think I know what I'm doing. Thanks a heap Sigmund F.