Trump or Biden, who would you vote and why?

[Steve]

Moxy, maybe you're not understanding me.

I'm not partial to any political party or leader. In partial to reality.

And reality becomes clear with proper research. There are still missing pieces, but enough is abundantly clear.

[huskerdu]

This forum is for roulette and not for politics.

USA elections is far beyond politics.
It's an global event that influences the future of the whole world. Economics, war or peace, labour, social effects, civilization....
It's not just politics.
It's a major event with complex and chained   effects to every country.
So I believe that we all should have a focus on this  and worry about it with critical view, wherever we come from.
That's my humble opinion.

[winkel]

Here’s Trump’s re-election playbook, in 25 simple steps:

1) Declare yourself above the law.

2) Use racist fearmongering. Demand “law and order” and describe protesters as “thugs”, “lowlife” and “rioters and looters”. Describe Covid-19 as “kung-flu”. Retweet posts from white supremacists. In your campaign ads, use a symbol associated with Nazis.

3) Appoint an attorney general more loyal to you than to America, and politicize the Department of Justice so it’s lenient on your loyalists and comes down hard on your enemies. Have it lighten the sentence of a crony convicted of lying under oath. Order investigations of industries you dislike.

4) Fire US attorneys who are investigating you.

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5) Fire independent inspectors general who are looking into what you’ve done. Crush any whistleblowers you find.

6) Demean and ignore the intelligence community. Appoint a director of national intelligence more loyal to you than to America. Demand that the head of the FBI pledge loyalty to you.

7) Pack the federal courts with judges and justices more loyal to you than to the constitution.

Politicize the Department of Defense so generals will back whatever you order. Refer to them as “my generals”. Have them help clear out protesters. Order the military to surveil protesters. Tell governors you’ll bring in the military to stop protesters.

9) Purge your party of anyone disloyal to you and turn it into a mindless, brainless, spineless cult.

10) Get rid of accumulated experience and expertise in government. Demean career public servants. Hollow out the state department, the Departments of Justice, Health and Human Services, and public health.

11) Reward donors and cronies with bailouts, tax breaks, subsidies, government contracts, regulatory rollbacks and plum jobs. Put their lobbyists in charge of your agencies. Distribute $500bn in pandemic assistance to corporations in secret, without any oversight.

12) Coddle dictators. Don’t criticize their human rights abuses. Refuse to work with the leaders of other democracies. Withdraw from international treaties.

13) Create scapegoats. Demonize migrants and lock up asylum seekers at the border, even if they’re children. Put a white nationalist in charge of immigration policy. Blame Muslims, Mexicans and Chinese.

14) Denigrate and ridicule all critics. Describe opponents as “human scum”. Attack the mainstream media as purveyors of “fake news” and “enemies of the people”.

15) Conjure up conspiracies supposedly led by your predecessor and your opponent in the last election. Without any evidence, accuse your predecessor of “treason”. Fabricate a “deep state” out to get you.

16) Downplay real threats to the nation, such as a rapidly spreading pandemic. Lie about your utter failure to contain it. Muzzle public health experts. Urge people to go back to work even as the pandemic worsens in parts of the country.

17) Encourage armed supporters to “liberate” states from elected officials who disagree with you.

18) Bribe other nations to investigate your electoral opponent and flood social media with lies about him.

19) Use rightwing propaganda machines like Fox News and conspiracy-theory-peddling One America News to inundate the country with your lies. Ensure that the morally bankrupt chief executive of Facebook allows you to spread your lies on the biggest media machine in the world.

20) Suppress the votes of people likely to vote against you. Intimidate voters of color. Encourage Republican governors to purge voter rolls, demand voter ID and close polling places.

21) Seek to prevent mail-in ballots during the pandemic. Claim they will cause voter fraud, without evidence. Threaten to close the US postal service.


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22) Get Vladimir Putin to hack into US election machines, as he did in 2016 but can now do with more experience and deftness. Promise him that in return you’ll further destabilize America as well as Nato. Let him even place a bounty on killing US troops in Afghanistan.

23) If it still looks like you’ll be voted out, try to postpone the election.

24) If you’re voted out of office notwithstanding all this, refuse to leave. Contest the election, claim massive fraud, say it’s a conspiracy, get your cult of a political party to support your lies, get your propaganda machine to repeat them, get your justice department to back you, get your judges and justices to affirm you, get your generals to suppress any subsequent rebellion.

25) Declare victory.

Memo to America: beware Trump’s playbook. Spread the truth. Stay vigilant. Fight for our democracy.

Robert Reich, a former US secretary of labor, is professor of public policy at the University of California at Berkeley and the author of Saving Capitalism: For the Many, Not the Few and The Common Good. His new book, The System: Who Rigged It, How We Fix It, is out now. He is a columnist for Guardian US

[Steve]

Winkel, did you copy that from cnn's website or something? Which major news company?

You've really got no idea. Lost.

Firstly, you posted twisted garbage.

Secondly, if you really knew what Bidens pals have done and plan, youd be horrified, and see everything you posted even if it were true would be no comparison.

[Steve]

I mean seriously winkel, holy shit.

That list is so full of shit. Are you really that uneducated and gullible?

Where on earth are you getting your information? I think I'll pull it apart for you, to help you when i have time.

You'd need to be a brainwashed fool to believe that list really.

Its not politically correct to call someone stupid. But what if they literally are stupid?

[winkel]

Winkel, did you copy that from cnn's website or something? Which major news company?

You've really got no idea. Lost.

Firstly, you posted twisted garbage.

Secondly, if you really knew what Bidens pals have done and plan, youd be horrified, and see everything you posted even if it were true would be no comparison.

That´s the problem with trump-fans. they can´t read and grab what is written. The author and the publishing newspaper is written btl

[Steve]

Trump fan? No. Trump is often an arrogant moron.

He's just far better than the other option.

Again you're lost. You really don't understand what's going on.

[winkel]

You really don't understand what's going on.

What about you?

[Steve]

I understand pretty damn well whats going on.

You just cut and pasted propaganda without understanding it.

[Bigbroben]

Winkel, I suspect your opinion on Trump is based on the BILD magazine you read in the S-Bahn.

[gizmotron2]

Here’s Trump’s re-election playbook, in 25 simple steps:

"1) Declare yourself above the law." (answer) This is a lie that you actually believe because you are part of the generations that were both brainwashed in government manipulated schools in order to teach you to like being lied to. You don't know what truth is and regard any so called truth as viable.

"2) Use racist fearmongering. Demand “law and order” and describe protesters as “thugs”, “lowlife” and “rioters and looters”. Describe Covid-19 as “kung-flu”. Retweet posts from white supremacists. In your campaign ads, use a symbol associated with Nazis." (answer) You have been brainwashed to believe that this is evidence of  of the imperfections of a failed culture that needs to be canceled. Only this truth exists in your head because you have been created in a deliberate brainwashing social experiment. If you can be lied to from your childhood then you can be told what to believe and believe it.

"3) Appoint an attorney general more loyal to you than to America, and politicize the Department of Justice so it’s lenient on your loyalists and comes down hard on your enemies. Have it lighten the sentence of a crony convicted of lying under oath. Order investigations of industries you dislike."  (answer) Russia Russia Russia. TDS.

"4) Fire US attorneys who are investigating you." (answer) Fire everyone that instigated spying on a dully elected president. Perhaps even incarcerate them for breaking already existing laws. No Less that Biden suggesting the Logan Act from a meeting in the White House. That's more information than you are capable of processing. You know, those weapons of truth that are meant to support the establishment.  You are a tool that can ignore them as you are instructed to do so by your handlers.

"5) Fire independent inspectors general who are looking into what you’ve done. Crush any whistleblowers you find." (answer) You are going to love what is about to blow up your corn balled beliefs, tool. Biden and Obama are already caught up in all this. But being liberals that get a free pass from your handlers.

"6) Demean and ignore the intelligence community. Appoint a director of national intelligence more loyal to you than to America. Demand that the head of the FBI pledge loyalty to you."  (answer) Your warped opinion of reality is funny to watch. You are a perfect mind numbed robot. You try so hard to sell, crap as fact. It's your tell.

"7) Pack the federal courts with judges and justices more loyal to you than to the constitution." (answer) Yes, funny how elections have consequences. Those with the power get to do just what they want. "We won." Remember what Obama said?

" Politicize the Department of Defense so generals will back whatever you order. Refer to them as “my generals”. Have them help clear out protesters. Order the military to surveil protesters. Tell governors you’ll bring in the military to stop protesters." (answer) You mean upset the playing table for the war mongering military complex? The tables have turned on the new and improved Democratic Party. Now they are the war hawks. That's just as long as the money goes into the hands of their corporate donors that is.

"9) Purge your party of anyone disloyal to you and turn it into a mindless, brainless, spineless cult." (answer) Funny that coming from a brainwashed idiot.  You can't see yourself because you would see that the pot kettle black implication means you. This is exactly the tactic of the left. You will not be liked specially if "you are not black enough" to vote for Biden.

"10) Get rid of accumulated experience and expertise in government. Demean career public servants. Hollow out the state department, the Departments of Justice, Health and Human Services, and public health." (answer) Drain the swamp.

"11) Reward donors and cronies with bailouts, tax breaks, subsidies, government contracts, regulatory rollbacks and plum jobs. Put their lobbyists in charge of your agencies. Distribute $500bn in pandemic assistance to corporations in secret, without any oversight."  (answer) You mean like the libtards have done for the past 50 years?

"12) Coddle dictators. Don’t criticize their human rights abuses. Refuse to work with the leaders of other democracies. Withdraw from international treaties."  (answer) You mean like bow to them during an "Apology Tour" and send them hundreds of billions of dollars on pallets of cash. Funny how real history needs to be torn down in order to protect your illusions.

"13) Create scapegoats. Demonize migrants and lock up asylum seekers at the border, even if they’re children. Put a white nationalist in charge of immigration policy. Blame Muslims, Mexicans and Chinese." (answer) Don't forget the next civil war to purge the nation of its brainwashed Marxist anarchists. Will you bleed for your beliefs? Real freedom has always come at a cost. You are asking for this fight. I hope you can own up to it.

"14) Denigrate and ridicule all critics. Describe opponents as “human scum”. Attack the mainstream media as purveyors of “fake news” and “enemies of the people”." (answer) Just getting mad enough to end the outbreak. Targeting the VIP of liberal control freaks is nothing less than calling in a bug exterminator. Are you ready to fight yet? It's coming.

"15) Conjure up conspiracies supposedly led by your predecessor and your opponent in the last election. Without any evidence, accuse your predecessor of “treason”. (answer) Fabricate a “deep state” out to get you."  Keep your eyes open. Our pet top law enforcement officer is about to blow up your illusions. BTW, Trump and his election team were really spied on.

"16) Downplay real threats to the nation, such as a rapidly spreading pandemic. Lie about your utter failure to contain it. Muzzle public health experts. Urge people to go back to work even as the pandemic worsens in parts of the country." (answer) Yes, it's unfortunate for black people that really matter isn't it?

"17) Encourage armed supporters to “liberate” states from elected officials who disagree with you." (answer) ANTIFA

"18) Bribe other nations to investigate your electoral opponent and flood social media with lies about him." (answer)  "You will not get these billions in support unless you fire the prosecutor investigating my son." ... and bragging about it on TV.

"19) Use rightwing propaganda machines like Fox News and conspiracy-theory-peddling One America News to inundate the country with your lies. Ensure that the morally bankrupt chief executive of Facebook allows you to spread your lies on the biggest media machine in the world." (answer) Oh, you don't like effective control freaks. Is that it? haha tool.

"20) Suppress the votes of people likely to vote against you. Intimidate voters of color. Encourage Republican governors to purge voter rolls, demand voter ID and close polling places." (answer)  BKB it's the left's usual MO.

"21) Seek to prevent mail-in ballots during the pandemic. Claim they will cause voter fraud, without evidence. Threaten to close the US postal service."  (answer)  Seams like a perfect reason to have a civil war. Are you ready to bleed to death for your baloney? It's coming to that. There is already factual evidence of millions of extra ballets mailed out in liberal run states.

"22) Get Vladimir Putin to hack into US election machines, as he did in 2016 but can now do with more experience and deftness. Promise him that in return you’ll further destabilize America as well as Nato. Let him even place a bounty on killing US troops in Afghanistan."  (answer) Russia Russia Russia -- TDS

23) If it still looks like you’ll be voted out, try to postpone the election." (answer)  Try to force a crisis in the next election by actually committing mail fraud during that election. We all need a reason to burn the cities and loot. Are you ready to get killed? Your Lives Don't Matter.

"24) If you’re voted out of office notwithstanding all this, refuse to leave. Contest the election, claim massive fraud, say it’s a conspiracy, get your cult of a political party to support your lies, get your propaganda machine to repeat them, get your justice department to back you, get your judges and justices to affirm you, get your generals to suppress any subsequent rebellion." (answer)  You mean the 65+ millions of us that actually vote or the silent majority that has had just about enough of you Marxist agitators. Yes, let's have that debate.

"25) Declare victory." (answer) Like the last election that was never accepted? Do you remember Hillary Clinton?

Memo to America: beware Trump’s playbook. Spread the truth. Stay vigilant. Fight for our democracy. (answer)  Die for your Marxist magical fantasies. Recruit the Snowflakes and their safe places.

Robert Reich, a former US secretary of labor, is professor of public policy at the University of California at Berkeley and the author of Saving Capitalism: For the Many, Not the Few and The Common Good. His new book, The System: Who Rigged It, How We Fix It, is out now. He is a columnist for Guardian US (answer) Robert Reich, who are you kidding. He's just pandering to the new age Democrats. I see that he faked you out. Hahaha.

[winkel]

Winkel, I suspect your opinion on Trump is based on the BILD magazine you read in the S-Bahn.

I don´t even touch this piece of used toilet-paper.

[Bigbroben]

Very well!

What is your opinion based on?  Facts or reporters repeating other reporters?

Our state-sponsored tv/radio channels never challenged the narrative coming out of USA, probably same money feeding both.

Which media challenged Russiagate? Or 9/11 narrative?  If they don't, they're biased.

[winkel]

Very well!

What is your opinion based on? 

Watch him, listen what he is talking, watch his U-turns,

no reliable sense says drink chlor.....
no relible sense follows grapewines
no reliable politician acts like him.
no relible politician moves his troops near to the russian border
no politician criticises Kim and then calls him a friend.

His behaviour is strange, very stange. it is not sane.

[gizmotron2]

Watch him, listen what he is talking, watch his U-turns,

no reliable sense says drink chlor.....
no relible sense follows grapewines
no reliable politician acts like him.
no relible politician moves his troops near to the russian border
no politician criticises Kim and then calls him a friend.

His behaviour is strange, very stange. it is not sane.

You are a bigot.