Are you going to get a coronavirus vaccine? Why?

[Ares289]

Ares - Do you not agree that the Lytton doctor in your first article has almost no credibility to say the things he did?

Everyone can have their own opinion about his credibility, but you have to consider that he's not the only example of a man who has the courage to speak out publicly about this, although of course there aren't many people like that, because when they take such a very brave step, they really risk losing everything...

And if so, do you not worry that you may have been influenced by articles on other equally less qualified people?

I would have to be a total ignorant to listen to the opinions of only those people who are officially considered credible enough, because these people have absolutely no reason to proclaim an inconvenient truth and unfortunately at the same time have too many reasons not to do so.

[verrengia]

Roulette game and forum is for ppls have a normale IQ.
If you are An idiot,can never understand how to play and be.
Idiot is not an offense,but in sanscrit
mean:A Vida..
A Vida is mean not to see  more than our intelligent!.
The vaccin is for: not to get a lots ppls
Siek,and go massal to the intensive care ...
Give the time to experts to resolve
The virus...Amen!!

[Klausy]

None of us know for sure (unless there are some roulette scientists among us), we can only go on what we read or hear on the internet and the media.

- They might be right, in which case they can be lauded as heroes by the unvaccinated for saving their lives and the rest of us are in for a pretty bleak time.

- They might be wrong, in which case they and those who shared their views will have to come to terms with the fact that people will have lost their lives as a result of being influenced by what they said.

[algojack]

Klausy,

Yes, we can know for sure what is the truth, or at least know beyond reasonable doubt, just by using common sense and some critical thinking, as you've already done regarding Dr Hoffe.

Look at Ares289's post in which he copied an article from an unknown website. Post the title of the article into google and you'll find the site (eviemagazine, which is a health & beauty magazine for women, so hardly a heavyweight and trusted source of information on Covid).

Next, google the three organizations mentioned in the article : The World Doctor's Alliance, the Great Barrington Declaration (Wikipedia has an article on them), and America's Frontline Doctors.

I think you'll agree with me after reading about all three that NONE of them are impartial or to be trusted regarding Covid. They all have their own twisted agenda, just like Ares289 seems to. Or maybe he sincerely believes it, in which case he's either not very bright or he's saying "screw you" to his own brain.

There is a massive amount of information out there but you need to be discriminating to get to the truth. Some people are for some reason intent on scaremongering and disinformation. But with a little thought and effort it's not hard to refute them.

[Klausy]

I think that sums it up.

[Ares289]

Yes, we can know for sure what is the truth, or at least know beyond reasonable doubt, just by using common sense and some critical thinking, as you've already done regarding Dr Hoffe.

What are your competence to claim that Dr. Charles Hoffe is not credible enough to be trusted?

Look at Ares289's post in which he copied an article from an unknown website. Post the title of the article into google and you'll find the site (eviemagazine, which is a health & beauty magazine for women, so hardly a heavyweight and trusted source of information on Covid).

The source of this article is irrelevant due to the fact that it's just a collection of relevant information that has already been confirmed.

I think you'll agree with me after reading about all three that NONE of them are impartial or to be trusted regarding Covid. They all have their own twisted agenda, just like Ares289 seems to.

Can't trust these real experts, doctors and professors just because what they say goes against what you believe?

There is a massive amount of information out there but you need to be discriminating to get to the truth. Some people are for some reason intent on scaremongering and disinformation. But with a little thought and effort it's not hard to refute them.

This is absolutely TRUE, because that is exactly what governments and the media they run have done with the Coronavirus issue - SCAREMONGERING AND DISINFORMATION in order to justify their unlawful actions.

[6th-sense]

totally agree with Ares and steve

[Ares289]

totally agree with Ares and steve

Thanks!

[Klausy]

Ares - What you have posted may or may not be true (extremely unlikely in my view, but that is just my view). You may have other compelling evidence to reinforce your view in which case well I can’t argue with that.

That however isn’t compelling testimony by any stretch of the imagination. If you can’t see that then well there isn’t anything more I can say.

Cheers

[winforus]

Over a year ago, on the first 2 pages of this thread I have posted my opinion and it hasn't changed. The truth is in the middle, and there is no plan/conspiracy.

Steve, I recommend to watch this video: youtube.com/watch?v=-cZ5gGloYa8

In order to understand the problem with conspiracy theories and conspiratorial thinking, you need to have a proper understanding of epistemology, along with how confirmation bias works. Mind works in very tricky ways, and it's very easy even for a very intelligent person to fall into such delusional thinking.

Why are conspiracy theories so attractive and why do people fall for it? Because guys like Alex Jones, David Icke, etc sprinkle some truths in them, and people assume just because one thing is true, than everything else they are saying is true.

David Icke to this very day denies that covid exists, which is insanity. I myself had covid (it was like flu), and have met young people who had it very bad and were in the hospital.

Another observation that I have made, is that I haven't met one happy+healthy person in life who believes in conspiracy theories. Simply put, it is unhealthy to live in that paradigm, and it is not a way to build a good life.

For those wondering, no I haven't gotten the vaccine and won't be getting one, but that is not because I believe there is some evil conspiracy to depopulate the world, etc. And yes, there has been heavy propaganda going on in MSM, and fearmongering, but those things are independent, and not coordinated, like the conspiracy guys want you to believe.

If you go on an MSM news site, and Infowars and observe closely, you will find that they are very similar. Both are promoting their own agenda, with some truth being sprinkled along the way, and a lot of fearmongering. The best that one can do is read info from different sources, and make your own conclusions, without buying into a specific narrative/agenda.

Most importantly, the biggest evil/devil out there is your ego. It's not some "globalist cult" that is attempting to control the world, it is your ego, that divides everything, and distorts you from seeing the truth. It is your ego that always run it's own agenda. Understanding how your own mind works, epistemology, and actually wanting to know what is true, is what will give you this understanding.  Conspiratorial thinking is a great way for the ego to distract you from actual reality that is going on.

[Ares289]

Ares - What you have posted may or may not be true (extremely unlikely in my view, but that is just my view). You may have other compelling evidence to reinforce your view in which case well I can’t argue with that.

Okay, no problem.

I understand your approach to this topic because it's a very complex issue and I respect your point of view even if it's different from mine.