Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play

Mean · Oct 30, 10:20 PM 2020

One cannot achieve a positive expected value by following pattern nor trends. These things are just created in one's mind. The randomness produced by rng or roulette wheels does not follow any laws or rules that can be taken advantage of. Gizmotron has been attempting to distort such said facts with lies, delusion, and disinformation.

You can only achieve a positive expected value with advantage play. May I suggest poker or outside the box type thinking...

gizmotron2 · Oct 31, 05:26 AM 2020

Quote from: Mean on Oct 30, 10:20 PM 2020One cannot achieve a positive expected value by following pattern nor trends. These things are just created in one's mind.

I have said all along, from the very beginning, that these trend or pattern formations only exist in my mind. I'm not trying to say they are magical. It's just you suggesting that I'm saying that they have some kind of deterministic power. So you have an illusion of you being right by saying pigs can't fly. So when are you going to stop beating your wife? That was a classic response styled question, rhetorical.

winforus · Oct 31, 05:50 AM 2020

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 05:26 AM 2020
I have said all along, from the very beginning, that these trend or pattern formations only exist in my mind. I'm not trying to say they are magical. It's just you suggesting that I'm saying that they have some kind of deterministic power. So you have an illusion of you being right by saying pigs can't fly. So when are you going to stop beating your wife? That was a classic response styled question, rhetorical.

If they are all in your mind, that means that they are totally irrelevant. The bets that you are making have no better chance of winning than random bets.

There are 37 numbers, but the payout is 36 to 1. Those patterns do not give you an edge to make your bets profitable.

If they did, then you would be able to win with flat bets.

gizmotron2 · Oct 31, 06:17 AM 2020

Quote from: winforus on Oct 31, 05:50 AM 2020If they are all in your mind, that means that they are totally irrelevant.

That's right. They are irrelevant. You have just concluded that they have no power to predict. So please stop saying that I'm claiming such a power. I know it's the argument that you want to win. It does not matter.

gizmotron2 · Oct 31, 06:21 AM 2020

Quote from: winforus on Oct 31, 05:50 AM 2020There are 37 numbers, but the payout is 36 to 1. Those patterns do not give you an edge to make your bets profitable.

If they did, then you would be able to win with flat bets.

I can see that I will never be able to explain this too you.

Variable Change is a known math. Yet they argue still to this day over it. It's just your rule to ignore conditional awareness and then say "you must flat bet" or I will not be happy. So be sad. I have blown the lid off of all this by suggesting the math. It's no longer a mystery. It's Halloween. "Trick or treat."

gizmotron2 · Oct 31, 06:23 AM 2020

I'm not blowing any more brain cells arguing with mathZombies. I'll save them for R-sim.

Have a nice day.

Mean · Oct 31, 06:31 AM 2020

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 06:17 AM 2020That's right. They are irrelevant. You have just concluded that they have no power to predict. So please stop saying that I'm claiming such a power.

Then how are you getting a positive expected value?

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 06:21 AM 2020ignore conditional awareness

It's impossible to apply conditional awareness to an unbiased roulette wheel or real rng.

winforus · Oct 31, 06:42 AM 2020

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 06:17 AM 2020
That's right. They are irrelevant. You have just concluded that they have no power to predict. So please stop saying that I'm claiming such a power. I know it's the argument that you want to win. It does not matter.

I am not claiming that you have such power. That is your own projection. You are clearly not understanding me at all.

If you have no power to predict - it means you have no edge. It means that it's a losing system.

Actual advantage play methods have a way to increase the accuracy of their predictions. Those are physics, and precognition.

RR is not an AP method, now you understand why.

gizmotron2 · Oct 31, 10:28 AM 2020

Quote from: winforus on Oct 31, 06:42 AM 2020RR is not an AP method, now you understand why.

That's just according to you. Variable Change is a mathematical advantage and an odds changer. You just refuse to recognize it or admit it. It's not really a problem. You will just have to be shown it to believe it.

winforus · Oct 31, 10:48 AM 2020

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 10:28 AM 2020
That's just according to you. Variable Change is a mathematical advantage and an odds changer. You just refuse to recognize it or admit it. It's not really a problem. You will just have to be shown it to believe it.

No, you are not understanding what a "variable change" is in Roulette context. In Blackjack, the variable change happens when certain cards come out. On a roulette wheel - once the green 0 hits, it doesn't mean it has lower chances of hitting the next spin - the odds remain the same of that happening on every spin, regardless of past spins.

Roulette Wheel has no memory.

Mean · Oct 31, 12:14 PM 2020

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 11:52 AM 2020That alone is a delusion. You are just regurgitating something that has been held up for a long while as truth. It's not.

How is it not truth? You can look at everyone's bets, and they all come out to around the expected value according to the house edge.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 11:52 AM 2020Guess what Mr. Wizard?

If you can win, you'd be able to take these system challenges and earn tons of free easy money. I'm sure they won't care if it's not a mechanical system.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 11:52 AM 2020If I can sit out parts of a losing streak then I have changed the odds.

This is simply not true. You will never know when a losing streak will end.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 11:52 AM 2020I'm taking losses out of a sequence of spins.

This is a typical gambler's fallacy.

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 11:52 AM 2020"Mother" insults were a vast pleasure of the 60's & 70's

They still are.

gizmotron2 · Oct 31, 12:18 PM 2020

Don't Feed the troll !

winforus · Oct 31, 02:28 PM 2020

Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 31, 11:52 AM 2020
If I can sit out parts of a losing streak then I have changed the odds. That process is variable change.

How can you sit out a losing streak, if you can't predict when it will start and when it will end? In this case, you are sitting out at random times, and your bet selection is no better than random.

I don't understand how can someone be so deluded.

stranger90 · Oct 31, 03:50 PM 2020

It's just like betting that reds will continue when they hit x times, just in a fancy way that sounds complicated and impossible. They don't need to prove but it works, losing sessions on r-sim are only to make us confused so we don't get this HG, why play there anyway? I don't know. To me all this sounds beyond stupid.

gizmotron2 · Oct 31, 05:00 PM 2020

Quote from: winforus on Oct 31, 02:28 PM 2020
How can you sit out a losing streak, if you can't predict when it will start and when it will end? In this case, you are sitting out at random times, and your bet selection is no better than random.

I don't understand how can someone be so deluded.

Just look in the mirror.

You can't sit out the whole losing streak. But you can sit out small parts of them. Once again there's that all fired prediction problem again. Man you are totally hung up on prediction.

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Reading randomness and systems are not advantage play