The end. The last challenge for Steve.

[Steve]

Okay, so make a VIDEO (live stream would be better) of doing it with RANDOM bets, starting game at $100 and getting to $1000 and share HERE so everyone can see that your statement is true.

See my videos where I show it happen many, many times in millions of spins. I think it's in this video:
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=mEdIM_2KsLM

[Ares289]

See my videos where I show it happen many, many times in millions of spins. I think it's in this video:

Just because something is statistically possible doesn't change the fact that probability of such an event is VERY LOW.

[Steve]

It doesn't matter what is statistically probable or improbable. What matters is the payout vs odds. Because if you are paid unfairly, you'll always be a step behind.

[Ares289]

It doesn't matter what is statistically probable or improbable.

It's not true that it doesn't matter, because you know very well that you're wrong when you say that:

It's really not hard to do with random bets and progression.

- because it's a LIE.

[cht]

It's not true that it doesn't matter, because you know very well that you're wrong when you say that:
 
- because it's a LIE.

Ares, thank you for pointing that out.

Earlier I made the exact same post but realised Steve put me on moderation so I deleted it.

Steve wrote a lie.

Steve made a statement that contradicts math.

This is clear proof he doesn't understand the math. A wrong statement he made repeatedly on this forum. Anyone can check his history post to confirm.

[Steve]

Nope. No lie there. It's just really basic stuff you're not understanding.

Please don't ask me to explain it again. But feel free to explain to everyone your logic that proves that I, and everyone with basic understanding of math, lied about the universe.

[Steve]

I can't help myself. It's OCD.

First, you took only the first part of my statement. My full statement was:

It doesn't matter what is statistically probable or improbable. What matters is the payout vs odds. Because if you are paid unfairly, you'll always be a step behind.

I'll put it into context for you...

It's IMPROBABLE that you'll see 37 different numbers in 37 spins.

But it makes sweet fuck-all difference, because you still have 1 in 37 chance of winning on each number, and the payout is still an unfair 35-1. So even when you win, you still lose.

So all the bullshit systems based around some "improbable event" are based on fairytales and fallacy. Again, what matters is the payouts vs odds.

Is that clearer? I could give many other examples, but it shouldn't be hard to understand.

Also I said:

It's really not hard to do with random bets and progression.

Maybe I wasn't clear.

I meant to say increasing your bankroll by 10x is really fucking easy with random bets and progression. And doing it is proof of nothing.

Again, in my videos you see this happening many times, on a larger scale.

[Joe]

I can't help myself. It's OCD.

Great. You finally admit it. 

First, you took only the first part of my statement. My full statement was:

It doesn't matter what is statistically probable or improbable. What matters is the payout vs odds. Because if you are paid unfairly, you'll always be a step behind.

The first two sentences are inconsistent. If 'What matters is the payout vs odds' is true (and it is) then the odds (probabilities) do matter. Otherwise AP wouldn't work. If the odds are higher than the payouts (implied probability) then you will win, so it DOES matter what is statistically probably or improbable.

I meant to say increasing your bankroll by 10x is really fucking easy with random bets and progression. And doing it is proof of nothing.

This is wrong, because although it may be relatively easy to find an example where your bankroll increases x 10 after trawling through many systems and results, it's not at all the same as someone predicting that one particular system/session will generate that result. It's like saying that one unspecified number will hit 3 times in the next 3 spins vs one preselected number doing the same. The probability of the latter result is much lower than the former. Mageknightbr's challenge is like this, because he has just one chance at a particular time to prove himself, so it's like preselecting the number.

[winforus]

It's very amusing to see a bunch of self professed math experts, who are clueless, and haven't made a penny from Roulette, arguing with a person who has crushed Roulette and scaled it to a profitable business.

If you can't understand the basics that Steve has explained over and over again - you got no hope. Get a brain scan, to see if you got brain damage.

[Joe]

Winforus, is that it?  Anything else apart from Ad Hominems? You are far too gullible regarding Steve. I don't believe he has 'crushed' roulette at all, and his maths is flawed. Ask anyone who actually understands probability and statistics like Bebediktus.

Do you want me to spell it out with equations?

Steve is basically a con-man who has garnered any influence he has mostly by sheer repetition and brainwashing. His business has taken a hit from Covid and he seems to be getting more desperate. His ridiculous conspiracy theory rants show that he has serious issues, and he's a compulsive liar.

I expect I'll be banned now, but I don't care.

[cht]

Winforus, is that it?  Anything else apart from Ad Hominems? You are far too gullible regarding Steve. I don't believe he has 'crushed' roulette at all, and his maths is flawed. Ask anyone who actually understands probability and statistics like Bebediktus.

Do you want me to spell it out with equations?

Steve is basically a con-man who has garnered any influence he has mostly by sheer repetition and brainwashing. His business has taken a hit from Covid and he seems to be getting more desperate. His ridiculous conspiracy theory rants show that he has serious issues, and he's a compulsive liar.

I expect I'll be banned now, but I don't care.

Thanks Joe for writing this post.

Steve put me on watch first and now moderation for writing the same thing about him.

Steve, delete my account.
I don't want to give credence to a con job forum.

[Joe]

In fact, Steve, please close my account. I don't want to be associated with a scumbag like you.   

[Steve]

Joe, you know very well the context of my statement. And it was made even clearer in my following post.

You're just arguing for the sake of arguing. Probably because our other "discussions" didn't go well for you.

And now you've spat the dummy, calling me names. You making an ass off yourself is not my fault.

As for crushing roulette, what would you call beating almost any wheel to the point you must limit winnings to avoid detection? Its just how it is.

All that happened here is I made an accurate  statement you tried to discredit. You tried to troll me. And it didn't work. You aren't the only person to blame me for your own problems.

That being the case, good riddance.

[Steve]

Steve put me on watch first and now moderation for writing the same thing about him.

No, as I recall i put you on moderation for trolling other members.

Steve, delete my account.
I don't want to give credence to a con job forum.

If you don't want to be here, just leave. You don't need to stomp your feet and make a scene.

And "con job forum"? That's the best you've got? You're not the only one to blame me for your own behaviour.

I'd rather a quiet but productive forum of people who take responsibility for themselves, instead of a busy forum full of trolls.

[Steve]

Do you want me to spell it out with equations?

Please do. Don't make it personal when you make a dickhead of yourself again. Don't blame me.

Steve is basically a con-man who has garnered any influence he has mostly by sheer repetition and brainwashing.

Stop, it hurts. Joe, repetition of verifiable fact is not brainwashing. It's just explaining reality. You'll get the same at places like math forums. Are all the "round-Earthers" just "compulsive lying con men"? How about every other gaming professional who says the same thing?