When to Start

[Blueprint]

If Lines came 1,2,3,4,5,6 you would not have a repeat on derived. 

The key is to have unique numbers and every attack will end with a cycle. 

[6th-sense]

no repeat of what exactly?   there would be a repeat of a few partitions with that example..or am i missing something

[Drazen]

If Lines came 1,2,3,4,5,6 you would not have a repeat on derived. 

Hm.. but derived numbers can repeat more than once before all options are drawn?

Dyksexlics example would be something like drawing numbers out of a hat without putting them back, right?

[Blueprint]

Hm.. but derived numbers can repeat more than once before all options are drawn?

In the example I shared there is no repeat on derived.  Simple example but true.

[Drazen]

Or in other words, is it possible to play roulette like drawing cards from a deck and not putting them back?

[Blueprint]

How do we know that's the correct question?  And if it is, what is it to say we can't add more cards to a deck, too?  Or even to take from one deck and add to another?

[MoneyT101]

maybe a bigger picture right across the board... table and wheel side...group numbers ..table sectors etc basically everything  rather than looking at basic the normal streams

The issue I’ve had with the bigger picture that there is so much going on it’s hard to look at it all for me personally. 

[MoneyT101]

Mel what's your take on the pigeonhole principle and Dyksexlics post at which you pointed at in the past:

No matter how many times I repeat the experiment, I always end up with a list of 38 numbers on my sheet of paper with (at least) one number written down TWICE. ALWAYS the same, 36 numbers written down once, and one number written down twice..

Is it possible to organize numbers like that, or what was he trying to convey here?

As you rightly said, repeat messes everything so how to exploit it then?

Is it possible to manipulate roulette outcomes to get a unique sequence without the possibility of anything repeating, like in Dyksexlics example?

Cheers

Dyksexlic was just explaining the repeat principle.  He used the example to show that a number must repeat.

I do believe there is a way to make it that you don’t get repeats but the method is to complicated to do without an excel.  It will require stitching bets and adding more numbers.  But the issue here is what will be your bet?   Also you cant play the same way you play 36 numbers because you will have the same outcome using more numbers 

[MoneyT101]

If Lines came 1,2,3,4,5,6 you would not have a repeat on derived. 

The key is to have unique numbers and every attack will end with a cycle.

I came to the conclusion that many times the word repeat and unique is thrown around but we don’t know what is being said exactly.

Dyksexlic method is not based on a number repeating!  This is just the principle used.  The whole idea!  But he isn’t betting a number repeating.  He is betting one a whole event repeating

The odds are a little different when it comes to events!

If you can take two events and play them and know when to bet one or the other or play both where one compliments the other you can beat this game.

Everything and anything is an event… combining groups can be made into events.  Combining spins!  Combining regular number and derived numbers!


Whatever you want can be made to an event!  And each event has repeats and uniques!

[Drazen]

Dyksexlic was just explaining the repeat principle.  He used the example to show that a number must repeat.

It's like there is more to that there...

Repeats are definitely not necessary to use the pigeonhole principle and they don't have to happen. It's like saying we can't use Php on unique sequnce?

But that is the whole essence here, isn't it? The pigeonhole principle can't hold anymore as soon as we have the possibility of a repeat!

[MoneyT101]

Dyksexlic spoke about a two twins….one was winning and one was losing

Let’s say the twins are U=unique(game 1) and R=Repeat(game 2) we combine the games and they are happening at the same time!

UU
RR
UR
RU

Is it possible for you to bet and win???

Here is a real example

UU
UR
UR…. How would you have won here?  The same number that gave you U for one method also has to give you R for the other method

It’s not easy to accomplish but it’s possible…..

Based on the odds you will have more UR or RU then UU or RR. 

Uu=40%
RR= 10%
Ru/UR= 50%

[MoneyT101]

The same number that gave you U for one method also has to give you R for the other method

I said it wrong lol…. After you have 3 uniques in one method you can only have so many uniques left that will also give you a repeat in the other method so you can cross out which ones not to play or which ones to play

To get here you have to understand everything else. 

[Drazen]

Mel I was talking about understanding the basic principle and why it works and what I see as a problem regarding roulette outcomes. I could create a template that wins 100% of the time using the pigeonhole principle way before all options would be drawn. However, as soon as we have a possibility of any repeat, that cant work.

Your examples have the possibility of a repeat, hence I cant understand how to apply the pigeonhole principle there? I am focusing on bare basics here.

[Drazen]

It’s not easy to accomplish but it’s possible…..

Also may I ask, what do you mean by this? Which part isn't easy?

If we look at what Pri, Red, Vaddi said about how easy it is, it seems it is very easy and simple. Red said you don't even need a spreadsheet once you know what to look for. He said he can explain the system in just a few sentences, or that betting patter is so obvious that anyone can figure it out straight away. Vaddi said his system is so simple that even 10 years old can play it....

On the other hand, Dyksexlics explanation and example with Marry Poppins for example looks so incredibly hard and complex.... Also dynamic sequnces from Red of anything related to that is very hard without spreadsheets or software... So where the hell is the trick in all that?

[MoneyT101]

Also may I ask, what do you mean by this? Which part isn't easy?

If we look at what Pri, Red, Vaddi said about how easy it is, it seems it is very easy and simple. Red said you don't even need a spreadsheet once you know what to look for. He said he can explain the system in just a few sentences, or that betting patter is so obvious that anyone can figure it out straight away. Vaddi said his system is so simple that even 10 years old can play it....

On the other hand, Dyksexlics explanation and example with Marry Poppins for example looks so incredibly hard and complex.... Also dynamic sequnces from Red of anything related to that is very hard without spreadsheets or software... So where the hell is the trick in all that?

The reason I say it’s not easy is because it takes a different type of thinking to get there.  And of course if a method is explained to you then you can do it.  But it’s not as simple trying to put it together without knowing what to look for


Redd method in out the box is easy and I can do it with just looking at the numbers.  All it is; is betting most recent numbers out. 

The current number is always 1 the number after is always 2 etc