When to Start

[6th-sense]

They have plenty of time lol

I dont know man if Im pointing you  in The right direction, But It is different from what we have tried with You And others from this forum.
To be more explicit:

You have 2 halves high And Low.
When cycle started on Low You have more than 50% that the repeat is on that half And Less then 50 that uniques Will be from that half, so Just base on this You dont need To think about what half To Bet for repeat or forse uniques.

This idea goes waaaayyyy back to dyslexic himself...it was me actually debating with him and gave this example which is when he promptly deleted his thread...i was a newbie then known as commonsense 1968 ..here is the only known screenshot of my reply ...and of the thread

[TRD]

6th, what about running 3x games on each dz with separate expositions, playing them in turn only once a dz shows for its repeat - covering'em shown numbers with various positions besides SUs, whatever to resolve; the dz guard can relax to EC as well upon discretion, since it recovers double

[TRD]

still better, last two dzs  overcoming long-term chop
& pausing the after after 2-3 same dz repeats

[Clf7]

6th thanks for your comments

[TRD]

No, my comments  won't work.

[MoneyT101]

This idea goes waaaayyyy back to dyslexic himself...it was me actually debating with him and gave this example which is when he promptly deleted his thread...i was a newbie then known as commonsense 1968 ..here is the only known screenshot of my reply ...and of the thread

I didn’t know it was you who posted that 

[MoneyT101]

Ok so just to give an update… every method or approach has something missing.

And we (I speak of every member looking for a way to win using non random events) haven’t quite figured out WHAT!

So it’s not that the overall method that fails.  Our approach towards the method has been wrong.

What I mean is….

The overall method involves cycles, combining spins, differential betting, pigeonhole principal.  This is still correct!

Now the way we are trying to get to the end is wrong.

Posting this here cause I’ve commented recently

[6th-sense]

I didn’t know it was you who posted that 

I thought I had told you ,,,dyslexic at the time was just another poster and he got a lot of stick ...I tried to get involved how he did it and after that example he deleted thread,,,
In hindsight maybe I should of just have pmd him...
I would love a one on one chat with him ...
I'd say he is still around reading the forums so who knows,,maybe one day

Members need to realise that those days everyone was giving ideas out left right and centre,,,and it was sometimes good sometimes bad

The heydays of this forum are truly past

[klw]

I agree with you Gordon , I think Dyslexic is definitely the key with his pigeon hole principle. Take a look at one of his old posts , it even gives a template of how to apply PH to roulette. Unfortunately I don't have the time to investigate this further. Surely some maths guru out there can go some way to resolving it. I would say to forum members , have a read of his old posts , some interesting bits to chew over. He was also a member on VLS but looking through the members list on there he doesn't appear as Dyslexic. Looks like he was deleted ? Very strange.


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General Discussion / Re: The Pigeonhole Principle
« on: Dec 26, 03:38 PM 2010 »
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Dec 26, 01:41 PM 2010
Well, that's all well and good if you have pigeons but do you apply this concept to roulette?

The 'pigeons' are merely a mathematical metaphor.

Consider the principle a 'conceptual visualisation tool'.

A 100% Mathematically guaranteed roulette bet is possible with the correct application.

Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Dec 26, 01:41 PM 2010
Please give us some specific examples of how to use it with roulette. It would be most helpful, since I feel confident that many of us reading your post, have no idea what on earth you are referring to. It sounds interesting though.

Scooby Doo

This thread is ONLY concerned with the Pigeonhole Principle itself.

For 'winning bet selections', kindly refer to Norman Bates... [Sarcastic smile  ]!

However, consider the following example..

QUESTION -
Prove that in a streak of 10 LOW roulette spins {1, 2, . . . , 18}, the selection
includes integers a and b such that a|b (that is, a divides b ââ,¬â€œ there exists an integer k such
that ak = b).

ANSWER -
Let the 'pigeons' be the 10 spins selected.

Define nine 'pigeonholes' corresponding to the odd spins 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, and 17.

Place each spin selected into the pigeonhole coresponding to its largest odd divisor (which must be one of 1, 3, 5, . . . , 17).

Notice that if x gets placed in the pigeonhole corresponding to the odd spin m, then x = 2km for some spin k ≥ 0.

Since 10 spins are selected and placed in nine pigeonholes, some pigeonhole contains two spins a and b, where a < b.

Suppose this pigeonhole corresponds to the odd spin t. Then, a = 2rt and b = 2st, where are < s, so that a2s−r = b.

Since s−r is a positive spin, it follows that a|b.

Welcome to the Magical Land of Mathematics..!

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KLW can y make an example with your last post  with 10 and 9...!!!

[klw]

Hi Alexlaf  -- No I can't at the moment and not sure I ever will be able to lol with my basic maths knowledge.

I can't get past the first equation :-

" QUESTION -
Prove that in a streak of 10 LOW roulette spins {1, 2, . . . , 18}, the selection
includes integers a and b such that a|b (that is, a divides b ââ,¬â€œ there exists an integer k such
that ak = b). "

I understand the " largest odd divisor " e.g if #14 was the first number to be pigeon holed then it would go into PH 7
If # 13 was the next number , I'm not sure if this would go into PH 5 or 13 ?  #18 next , that would go into PH 9 , #3 would go into PH 3 and so on.

Not sure about the rest of the post, looks above my understanding.

Hope this is of some help to somebody and they can take it further.

Cheers.

[MoneyT101]

Hi Alexlaf  -- No I can't at the moment and not sure I ever will be able to lol with my basic maths knowledge.

I can't get past the first equation :-

" QUESTION -
Prove that in a streak of 10 LOW roulette spins {1, 2, . . . , 18}, the selection
includes integers a and b such that a|b (that is, a divides b ââ,¬â€œ there exists an integer k such
that ak = b). "

I understand the " largest odd divisor " e.g if #14 was the first number to be pigeon holed then it would go into PH 7
If # 13 was the next number , I'm not sure if this would go into PH 5 or 13 ?  #18 next , that would go into PH 9 , #3 would go into PH 3 and so on.

Not sure about the rest of the post, looks above my understanding.

Hope this is of some help to somebody and they can take it further.

Cheers.

This goes back to where I believe drazen asked a question talking about how to find a way so we can bet and only get unique numbers!

You cannot play dyksexlic example you posted because the game of roulette has repeats

So you need to figure out how to make it that each spin is giving unique numbers long enough to win for this method to work

So far I know two ways to accomplish this, not saying they work or that it’s correct.  Just saying to accomplish it so that I barely get repeats. The information was shared by pri on this forum and it’s in one of those videos where the excel was showing next to the roulette table

[klw]

Hi Moneyt101 -- So you are saying that Pri has full knowledge of Dyslexic's work based on the post he made which I have copied above ?

If so then I would have to read through all of Pri's older posts ( and his other Id's ) to develop this further ?

Cheers.

[MoneyT101]

Hi Moneyt101 -- So you are saying that Pri has full knowledge of Dyslexic's work based on the post he made which I have copied above ?

If so then I would have to read through all of Pri's older posts ( and his other Id's ) to develop this further ?

Cheers.

I don’t know if pri has the full knowledge for a fact but I believe so. Pri style is different so was rrbb and dyksexlic. 

The way I see dyksexlic started and shared the idea.  I never really saw anything very detailed from him because the threads were deleted.  So I’m not sure what other info he shared. Everything was pretty cryptic.  I know he helped a few ppl but that info isn’t anywhere.

But Pri to me shared more detail to how things work.   Pri shared the possibilities with data and examples and showed more clearly the route to understanding concepts.  Pri also was a mathematician!

klw, What are your thoughts?

[klw]

Hi MoneyT101.

It's a bit confusing tbh. From years of reading forums and usually being able to know a genuine winner or not I firmly believe Dyslexic was a winner from the few posts he wrote. What he says makes sense to me and has logic it's just I am not that advanced in Maths or clever enough atm to work out the post I copied above.

I am not familiar with Pri's work. Is it based on the PH principle of Dyslexic ? If so then when I have time I'll try to catch up with that. If you have detailed notes on his work are you prepared to publish them here ? Many brains are better than 1.

Or are we going down 2 separate roads here ?

Cheers.