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[6th-sense]

Lol,,,,he's added the waiter to the bill already then again,,,,

The money is right

[TRD]

Hmm .. if all his other posts are based on the same thing; only here is obvious ..
100% winning system in what -- getting attention !?

[MoneyT101]

3 posts that I have of Dr Dyk 

Something really strange happened at the casino last night..

I met a woman who claimed she could 'Magic' money out of thin air..  (!)

So, I stopped playing my usual '100% Consistent Winning Roulette System' to hear more..   

Anyway, to cut a short story long, we had a nice meal together, and the bill was £25.

We both paid £15 each, and the Waiter gave £30 to the Cashier.

The Cashier handed back £5 to the Waiter.

But, the Waiter kept £3 as a tip and handed back £1 to each of us

So, we paid £14 each for the meal, for a total of £28.

The Waiter had £3, and that made £31...!!


So, where did the other 'Magical' £1 come from?

..and (more importantly), can we build a HG roulette system out of this..?





Wait, that's not the whole story..

Her horny sister joined us later for a sexy threesome..  (!)

Anyway, we all had to get a taxi back to the hotel.

The taxi bill came to £25

We each paid £10, which her sister gave to the taxi Driver

The Driver handed back £5 to the girl..

But she couldn't split £5 three ways, so she gave everyone £1 each and stuck £2 in her panties for 'luck'..     lol

So therefore, we all paid £10 and got £1 back. £10-£1 = £9

There were three of us, 3 X £9 = £27

If we paid £27 and her nasty panties held £2: £27+£2=£29....   then,

Where did the other £1 go? £30 - £1 = £29



..and can we use this as a betting trigger...?


DR DYK : 10 Commandments for winning

1. W

2. L

3. L

4. L

5. L

6. L

7. L

8. L

9. L

10. L


Hehehehe..

Thank you badger for that!   Anybody else has old messages from him?

Atleast these riddles have more detail because they show an exchange of money.  The twins riddle only spoke about 1 winning and 1 losing but here we can see where the money is going

The first riddle is an ec bet with straight.  The second riddle is a dozen bet with straight

The 10 commandments I’m a need more from that but I think it just shows the opposite has more value

[Badger]

I think that everyone has these posts of Dyksexlic.

1* There are 37 separate numbers, in a run of 38 consecutive numbers, at LEAST one of the 37 numbers MUST repeat a minimum of one time.

2* If you base a roulette strategy on this guaranteed principle, you'll have a system which cannot be beaten.
26* Did I ever say the "event" is a number repeating ? NO,(so number repeating is NOT an event) I said the system is based on a PRINCIPLE. Not an EVENT
39* Imagine I have a big bag of 37 numbered balls (each ball has a different number from 0 to 36 printed on it). I cant see the balls in the bag. They are 'randomly' mixed up.

40* I place my hand in the bag to pick a ball, then write the number down on a sheet of paper. I then place the ball back in the bag, then shake the bag up and mix up the 37 numbers, then place my hand back in the bag and pick another ball, again write the number down on the paper and place the ball back in the bag, and so on...

41* I keep on picking numbers in this way until I have a list of 38 numbers on my sheet of paper..

42* When I look at the list of 38 numbers on the paper, I find to my surprise that they are all different numbers EXCEPT one which is written down TWICE.

43* No matter how many times I repeat the experiment, I always end up with a list of 38 numbers on my sheet of paper with (at least) one number written down TWICE. ALWAYS the same, 36 numbers written down once, and one number written down twice..
(consecutively or not)
44*I discovered that ALL roulette RNGs (Random Number Generators) MUST follow this repeating number principle. This suddenly took away any UNCERTAINTY associated with placing a bet on roulette.I had done it ! I had BEATEN roulette..

51* Question "Why can't we MOVE the 100% Winning "future" EVENT back in time, to NOW ?" --> answer: No cant do, We're not

waiting for any Winning future "EVENT". So there's nothing to move. You want me to use 100% coverage for something that
DOESN'T even exist ? Why ? There are too many POSSIBILITIES
to give you any profit at 35:1. There has to be another way..


3* You don’t win every spin, but in a win you are in profit

4* My system doesn't wait for an event. It is a PRINCIPLED idea. No sequence of possible spins can change this principle.

7* when I win a cycle, I start again with the previous winning bet now
becoming the 1st bet in the new cycle etc.

5* I use FLAT BETS. (Progressions pave the road to Hell).
I SOMETIMES cover ALL numbers.
I ALWAYS cover SOME numbers. .
I treat all numbers the same (including the zero).
No individual roulette number has greater or lesser significance

6* It's NOT a DUMBA$$ progression that bets $1000's to make just 0.10 cents profit.
It's NOT AUTOMATED "magic" software.
It's NOT so called "luck". lol
It's NOT utilising some cheat / loophole / idiosyncracy in RNG casino software
It's NOT waiting 2 hours for a "trigger" event.
It's NOT some lame probability theory.
It's NOT essential to have a ma$$ive bankroll to play
It's NOT based on casino "BONUS" money - (go tell the casino to shove it up they a$$).
It's NOT awaiting 6 months of rigorous system "testing". lol
It's NOT going to fall apart if the casino RNG CHEATS... !!!
It's NOT concerned with "the house edge". Who CARES ?
It's NOT recording the patterns of red / black / high /low / odd / even etc.
It's NOT doubling up if you win / lose etc.
It's NOT waiting for "HOT" numbers or any other 'essential' event.
It's NOT restricted to casinos using Playtech software
It's NOT based on pseudo-random number sequences for success
It's NOT to do with calculating wheel bias. (Give me a $%#@ing break!)
It's NOT about calculating the velocity / wind direction / density of the ball / varnish on the wood etc.
It's NOT BS, or a figment of my imagination.
It's NOT for sale, but it IS REAL. I swear.



8* I can't predict the outcome of the roulette, but I dont need to

9* It’s just a solution to the problem of how do you secure a win regardless of sequence of numbers.

10* Roulette has NOTHING to do with numbers if you replaced the numbers with pictures of bunny rabbits, this mathematical principle would STILL hold true.

11* "What's NOT an EVENT, but can still HAPPEN ?"

12* After 3 consecutive dozens 1-2-3 the next spin COULD also be a zero

13* Fixed progression, that has regular betting amounts I.e 1,2,4,8,16,32---->My system doesn't work on that basis, it isn't a STATIC thing that doesn't change. It's a DYNAMIC system. (another clue)
So one example wouldn't hold for every sequence of numbers.

14* "PROGRESSIVE BET"-->progressively INCREASING the stake amount on any given bet (or group of bets) to recoup all monies lost thus far and either achieve a profit OR break even.

15* "FLAT BET" --> betting in such a manner that the stake amount on any given bet (or group of bets) DOESN'T INCREASE regardless of monies lost thus far.

16* "HELD BET" ---> betting in such a manner that EITHER a PROGRESSIVE BET, GROUP of PROGRESSIVE BETS, FLAT BET, or GROUP of FLAT BETS is repeated just as the PREVIOUS bet/bets.

17* A roulette table can contain any COMBINATION of Progressive / Flat / Held Bets.

18* A FLAT BET can be a HELD BET...
19* A HELD BET is NOT 'neccessarily' a FLAT BET !!!!!!!!
20* A HELD BET is NOT 'neccessarily' a PROGRESSIVE BET !!!!!!!!
21* FLAT BETS can ACCUMULATE without becoming PROGRESSIVE BETS !!!!!!!!
22* FLAT BETS added to HELD BETS dont 'neccessarily' become PROGRESSIVE BETS !!!!!!!!!!
23* A 'PROCESS' is NOT an 'EVENT', but CONTINUALLY happens.
24* All apparently UNCONNECTED continuum 'EVENTS' are CONNECTED both spatially and temporeally by space and by TIME
25* Out of DISORDER ('random' CHAOS) comes ORDER ('pattern')... "Ordo Ab Chao", RNG ---------------->CONTINUAL WINNING BETS


27* On the roulette table are several OPPOSITES. For example LOW/HIGH, EVEN/ODD, BLACK/RED.

28* Every morning, the SUN rises. We call this 'EVENT' -------> SUNRISE
29* Every evening, the SUN sets. We call this 'EVENT' --------> SUNSET
30* Sunrise and sunset are ALSO two OPPOSITES.
31* In the course of a day, at some places on our planet it is SUNRISE, and at the same time in ANOTHER place it is SUNSET
32* the sun is both, sunset and sunrise at the same time to two observers in two different places, but time is independent..
33* The two observers are still looking at the same 'EVENT'
34* sunset and sunrise are essentially the SAME 'EVENT' being simultaneously viewed from two different perspectives. "No man is an island..."

35* Two twin brothers were sat playing roulette in a Las Vegas casino. One twin was having incredibly good 'luck'. He'd won BIG money, the other twin was having an 'unlucky' time of it, losing continuously.

36* The Loser brother said: "Please brother, tell me the secret of how you always KNOW which number the roulette ball will land on.

37* The winner brother said: "I will answer your question if YOU answer me just ONE question first..".."how you 'KNOW' where to bet to ALWAYS lose.. ? "

38* I couldn't care less 'WHICH' number is spun after 37th spins as long as one gets spun...




45* quote: "somethimes playing on all numbers--- why losing 1 unit? for no reson?"
Even the cheating RNG doesn't win EVERY spin (it has losses too !)--- losing 1 unit to make 2 ? sounds good to me !

46* Every spin of the roulette wheel is an 'EVENT'. None of these 'EVENTS' are connected. Meaning if number 13 comes up, the next spin could be 13 too, as the last spin has no connection to this new 'EVENT'

47*So if we cant 'PREDICT' the 'EVENT', based on past spins ('EVENTS'). What can we do to win ?
48* We can look closer at the 'PROCESS' of 'EVENT' selection. This 'PROCESS' follows RULES. It isn't 'random'. It produces apparently random 'EVENTS', but it itself isn't 'random'.

49* the minimum bankroll to secure a win in 38 spins is around 2736 UNITS, that's mathematically sound

50*ASK YOUR SELF:

How do the 'MATHS' experts apply the principle ?
Are there any further ideas regarding this principle on Google ?Does the principle (which IS a given) hold true for all number sets ?
What number sets exist on a roulette table ?
Could a reduced / increased number set assist you ?
What other maths principles might apply to a roulette table ?
Who created roulette ? To serve what purpose ?
Is there more to betting roulette than a stepped progression ?
Were the creators of roulette 'AWARE' of the pigeonhole principle ? Why ?
What is the point of roulette ? Does it achieve this ? How ?
Why is the number "0" seperated from the other numbers ?
Is Dyksexlic really 'full of it' ? ..or is there 'something' out there ?


52* The game of roulette is an ancient one which hides a mathematical secret which is not at first apparent to the casual eye.

It is hidden in plain sight.

53* HIS LAST RESUME:
The system is a 38 spin repeating cycle betting routine. 38 spins is the maximum allowable length of one cycle. The minimum estimated bankroll required is 2736 units and bets are placed on every spin of the roulette wheel. The number of bets and coverage varies over the course of the cycle. The betting style is a form of flat betting which returns a 100% guaranteed profit over the course of any spin cycle. The system relies on the 'pigeonhole' principle of repeating number distribution. The object of the system is to return a single repeat of a roulette number within the spin cycle. Once a repeating number is achieved, the 38 spin cycle starts again. While it is extremely rare to run the entire 38 cycle from beginning to end, the system ALLOWS for this possibility, ensuring no loss of bankroll could possibly occur at the end of any given cycle. The system DOES return losing spins during the course of the 38 spin cycle, but it is MATHEMATICALLY impossible to produce an overall loss of bankroll at the end of any cycle. The system itself cannot be broken by ANY sequence of pseudo random numbers. The system is, to the best of my knowledge, the ONLY way to consistently win the game of roulette 100%. The system doesn't use a fixed progressive betting plan nor is it waiting for any particular event (high/low/odd/even etc.).

54*

[Badger]

The reason that I think that NoMoreBets was Dyksexlic, is that his bet also required 10 banks.


Hi Everyone,

I'm new to this forum but not to roulette (although a little rusty). I played in a real casinos on my 18th birthday and had quite a few ups and downs since then (I'm now 52). Best Win: £11,500 in one hour playing in Nice, France. Worst Loss: £19,000 in one week at the "old" Loews Hotel in Monte Carlo.

About 25 years ago, I made friends with a system architect (computing) who had a unique betting formula for winning on the horses. After seeing his system in action we became close friends (as you do LOL), and I agreed to fund further development of his system providing he could adapt it for roulette. Several months and a few thousand pounds later, we tested the new system in casinos from Surfers Paradise to Las Vegas, via Monaco and London. Results were rather hit and miss, and at times it was costly to run (requiring a £10,000 bank roll), but overall it was profitable and paid for our outrageous 12 week world tour!

For three years my friend made small changes to the system until it became more consistent and risk-effective. During that time we played it and each earned in excess of £100,000 a year. However, we decided that the casino lifestyle wasn't for us (hotels - travel - cigarette smoke - poor diet - no family life) so we agreed to complete a final year of roulette, win as much money as possible, then leave the system behind us and do other things with the capital. For my part, I went into trading the Futures markets. My friend decided to go into database software development. For the past 20 years we have both been relatively successful, and neither of us has ever had cause to use the roulette system... until now!

I'm sure you've all heard about the sub-prime situation in the U.S. Unfortunately, I was on the wrong side of that trade and the past year has hit my finances badly, with prospects in the short-term not looking too good at all. So, I've decided to take the roulette system out of moth-balls, and see if it's still the "nice little earner" that it was all those years ago.

Here's the thing... I was told that Internet casinos are the place to go now, but I don't know anything about them! I hadn't given them a serious moment's thought until recently. I've tried a place called Spin Palace Casino (using the FREE Play game). The system appears to work very well there (makes anything from $200 - $1000 per hour depending on bet size), but as you can imagine, I have so many questions about these computer based casinos.

So, here I am asking for your help.

In particular, I would be very grateful to know what you think about:

1) Internet roulette vs a real wheel.
2) Can Internet computer wheels be trusted? Surely, they can manipulate the results and let you win on the free games, then take your cash on the real money tables?
3) Are there any new rules out there concerning table limits and betting sequences?
4) Which casinos have high table limits (dozens) with low minimum bets?
5) Are there any casinos that I should avoid?
6) Can the Internet tables know when I am using a system? If so, what are the consequences, usually?
7) What would you do if you were in my position?

I look forward to hearing from you, and in return will be happy to share more of my experiences.

Cheers - DM - a.k.a. NoMoreBets

Thanks to everyone who has responded.

Let me say right now that there is not any possibility---------even the most slightest, tiniest, most minute, hey, I'm talking smaller than an amoeba's arsehole-----chance on God's green earth that I will ever sell this system... LOL (Sorry, TwoCatSam) Why would I want to sell the system when I can make a lot of money, for a lot less trouble, by simply playing it!!!

Mind you, I am that much older now and the idea of travelling and hanging around the casinos again doesn't fill my heart with glee. I was hoping that Internet casinos would remove that aspect AND allow me to make money faster. But from your feedback it doesn't look like RNG is the answer. Then again, if live wheels can be trusted, at least I won't have to do the travelling bit again.

As regards some of your questions:

To mattymattz: The system doesn't run on a computer (but maybe it could be adapted to do that - is it possible to have computerised systems run automatically on Internet roulette tables?? Could be very interesting!).

My system is currently written on paper. I only need to memorise the betting sequences again to use it in a real-world casino. Mind you, in my day it wasn't frowned upon to sit at the table with notebook in hand. I even used to tell pit bosses that I was betting using a system. NEVER was I told that I was cheating and NEVER was my table closed down! Do you think it's still like that or would I be kicked out for "cheating"?

My relationship with casino managers was excellent. In fact, in many casinos they went to some lengths to let people know that someone was winning BIG on roulette. Of course, they knew perfectly well that what ever we won, others would lose several time more. And either way, they had table limits to protect themselves. If I was winning, they had to put it down to LUCK - Right? LOL

To Carlitos: Thanks for the suggestions. When I didn't have a family (now married with three kids) the idea of flying off to a tropical paradise like Nassau (Bahamas), enjoying the sun, sea, booze, and women, before a hard slog at the tables was a VERY atractive proposition. In fact, I did that on a number of occasions... but I never won at the tables there because I wasn't focused and made too many mistakes playing the system! I think it's the same in anything we do. Take your eye off the ball for a second and you'll get kicked in the a**!

To VLSroulette: Your feedback has been very enlightening. I am truly grateful. I will follow up the various references as soon as I finish writing this and will revert in due course. I hope Casinowebcam.com is not typical of Internet casinos, otherwise, I will have to go back to real-world ones. Bummer!

As regards the system itself, I am somewhat limited as to what I can tell you. Not because I don't want to share (although I would be a fool to give away the secret), but it was my friend who spent years developing it and I never really wanted to know the technical details.

Nonetheless, here is what I can share at the moment:

1) The system requires up to 10 banks (although we only ever had to use a maximum of three - I think).

2) Each bank represents a number of chips, not a dollar value.

3) What separates the system from other systems - so I was told - is that bet size is based upon a mix of probability analysis, trend analysis, and money management (funny really, because without knowing it, I developed a very similar algorythmic system for trading Futures and Forex).

4) I think the system uses a grind progression but I can't be sure if that's what it's called. Suffice to say that bet size increases after each loss, although, we don't use a set multiple (e.g., 2,4,8,16 etc). Because bet size is based upon additional factors it uses is variable progression. In some instances, the return on the first winning bet can be ZERO. However, normally within the next two or three bets the system can return a profit of 5 - 10 times the losses of an entire progression (subject to table limits etc.) - If that makes sense.

So, there you have it. I hope I have not been too secretive, although I'm sure you can understand why I can't share everything with you.

I'm off now to review some of your feedback and will return later.

Cheers & Thanks to all - DM (a.k.a. NoMoreBets )
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To Spike: I'm not sure I fully understand your question/statement. As regards being a money management system, you are probably correct, but I know it's not that simple (after all it took many hundreds of man hours to perfect). We don't select individual numbers and place bets on them. We only play the outside 2:1 bets. However, we do record every spin and periodically determine a betting sequence, bet sizes for that sequence, and where to place the bets.

I think the only systematic feature is that it wins more often than it loses (about 55%). However, the wins are significantly greater on key spins, than the losses. If someone was watching my bets, I am sure they couldn't tell that I was using a system. The bets and placements are so entirely random. But then again, I can't be positive about that. Suffice to say that we never had any negative issues with the casinos we played in.

It's worth noting that we visited at least 30 casinos a year, and never won enough at any one casino to be noticed. Possibly that went in our favour. I was hoping that if there were similar numbers of Internet casinos I would be also able to play the system again without being noticed.
By the way, the reference you quoted to the system being "hit and miss and requiring a £10k bank roll" was only at the beginning. After my friend refined the calculations, it became very reliable. As regards the bank roll, that was relative to the winnings we wanted to make. As I mentioned previously, we require 10 banks. If I'm betting £1 chips the bank roll will be £10k. From that £10k I would hope to make about £1000 within 500 spins. But it doesn't work all the time and the system went down £25K at one point.

As regards the math... I don't know what to say. My friend is a genius so I didn't need to know any more than that. What I do know is that there are plenty of people who say that financial markets are random and that it shouldn't be possible to predict price movements. Let me tell you that I have lived very well for the past twenty years trading Futures and Forex. How? Not by predicting price movement but by developing and sticking religiously to a trading strategy that determines optimum entry and exit timing, bet size, position sizing (scaling up and down), and strong entry and exit efficiency. Something that, without realising it, is very similar to the roulette system. My trading profits (up until last year) made an average annual return of 48%.

It's a shame that Internet casinos appear to be hard nuts to crack. I'm still going to look into them further. At the moment I'm trying to determine whether they are mostly owned by one company, or if there are many "players". If I can find 20 or more players, then I might still have a chance to play the system and slip under the radar.

Do you think that winning £5K at any one Internet casino would get me noticed?

Cheers for now.


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You said you were living the casino lifestyle but you go on to say that you could average between $200 and $1000 per hour.

Please note that $200 - $1000 per hour was only the result of recent tests I carried out on an Internet Casino. I was getting substantially more spins per hour than at the real-world tables from years ago. You also forget that we had plenty of losses, all of which had to be recovered. As I've just mentioned in my previous post, the system only wins about 55% of the time. The remaining 45% is also spent at the casino. I can't remember exactly how many days we played each month (it certainly wasn't every month), but when we were playing, we spent at least 8 - 10 hours per day at the tables... and yes, on occasion we had our mail forwarded to the casinos too!

I'm sorry that you are sceptical about my post. But then again, I can understand. Either way, I have nothing to prove and don't feel that I should have to. I only wanted to get some advice about Internet casinos, and thanks to this forum I am making some good progress.

Cheers again - DM.

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hi NoMoreBets,

you are talking about winning $5K per day? or per week or per month?

I can safely tell you so far $5K per month is nothing.. safe.. and successful  :-)

Thanks BobbyBobby,
I was talking about £5K per casino. The time frame for winning that amount is unpredictable but sometimes it could take about a week. Then I would move on to the next casino. I never really wanted to spend more than about 10 days at any one casino. If I hadn't won by then, I would move on regardless, and return at a later date (if needs required).

From the sound of it, you don't think that Intenet casinos would pay me any attention if I cleared £5k profit. If you don't mind me asking, what do you base that opinion upon? Is it simply from personal experience, or do you know of other information resources on the Internet?

I wish there was a truly reliable and verifiable source of Internet gambling data. Fom what I can gather this is still a poorly regulated area, and people's experiences vary dramatically. But I appreciate the feedback to date. Thanks

Cheers. DM

[Badger]

This was from a forum member by the name of Nobody. In 2009 he seemed to show a deeper understanding of non random. By Spin repeat, I think he was referring to the derived positions as in RRBB's thread.


Brainstorming / Pigeonhole of the pigeonhole
« on: October 31, 2009, 02:02:52 AM »
Hi all,

It has been awhile since I really start a post.

I have a theory which I hope someone can help me test.

It is about the pigeonhole theory.

Condition:
1. In 38 spin there will 100% a repeating number (spin 38 is the max)
2. 38 spin = one session
3. Every session will show us on which spin the number repeat
4. In 39 session, there will 100% be a repeating "spin repeat"


Example A
Session 1: numbers repeat on the 4th spin
Session 2: numbers repeat on the 12th spin
Session 3: numbers repeat on the 11th spin
Session 4: numbers repeat on the 19th spin
Session 5: numbers repeat on the 7th spin
Session 6: numbers repeat on the 7th spin ( Bingo! We have a repeat in the "spin repeat")

Example B
Session 1: numbers repeat on the 6th spin
Session 2: numbers repeat on the 13th spin
Session 3: numbers repeat on the 8th spin
Session 4: numbers repeat on the 4th spin
Session 5: numbers repeat on the 7th spin
Session 6: numbers repeat on the 9th spin
Session 7: numbers repeat on the 13th spin (Bingo! We have a repeat in the "spin repeat"

Playing method:

We know there will 100% be a repeat in the "spin repeat", so we need to catch the spin repeat.

Play one using example A:
Session 1: we wait and got the first Spin Repeat (SR) which is 4
Session 2: we bet on spin 4 on the 1st,2nd and 3rd number on this session to catch a repeat (no win so,SR=12)
Session 3: we bet on 4th spin of this session using 1st,2nd & 3rd number of this session(no win so SR 11 - we dont need to bet on the 12th spin because there is already a SR)
Session 4: we bet on 4th spin, 11th spin & 12 spin (no win , SR=19)
Session 5: we bet on 4th spin (no win, SR=7)
Session 6: we bet on 4th spin, then caught the SR on the 7th spin!!!


So here, the main theory is to catch the SR.

As you can see, if the SR is small, we need to bet more.

If the SR is big, a new SR will hit before that SR, so no bet.

This is still on brainstorming.

We don't have to bet on straight numbers. It is too high progression.

I am still looking at ways to play betting on even, dozen, column, corner, or split depending on the numbers of each session!

Constructive opinion is welcome.

Possitive feedback or suggestion, will improve the play.
Negative feedback or suggestion remind us of the how this will fail.

If we can find a solution or minus drawdown to the bottleneck or negative side of the play, we have a better play.

What do you think of it? Share and everyone can brainstorm.


All the best to you all.

Regards,
NoBody ^.^

[6th-sense]

Was debating to post that stuff myself Badger...

But you've done it saves me deciding

[MoneyT101]

The reason that I think that NoMoreBets was Dyksexlic, is that his bet also required 10 banks.


Hi Everyone,

I'm new to this forum but not to roulette (although a little rusty). I played in a real casinos on my 18th birthday and had quite a few ups and downs since then (I'm now 52). Best Win: £11,500 in one hour playing in Nice, France. Worst Loss: £19,000 in one week at the "old" Loews Hotel in Monte Carlo.

About 25 years ago, I made friends with a system architect (computing) who had a unique betting formula for winning on the horses. After seeing his system in action we became close friends (as you do LOL), and I agreed to fund further development of his system providing he could adapt it for roulette. Several months and a few thousand pounds later, we tested the new system in casinos from Surfers Paradise to Las Vegas, via Monaco and London. Results were rather hit and miss, and at times it was costly to run (requiring a £10,000 bank roll), but overall it was profitable and paid for our outrageous 12 week world tour!

For three years my friend made small changes to the system until it became more consistent and risk-effective. During that time we played it and each earned in excess of £100,000 a year. However, we decided that the casino lifestyle wasn't for us (hotels - travel - cigarette smoke - poor diet - no family life) so we agreed to complete a final year of roulette, win as much money as possible, then leave the system behind us and do other things with the capital. For my part, I went into trading the Futures markets. My friend decided to go into database software development. For the past 20 years we have both been relatively successful, and neither of us has ever had cause to use the roulette system... until now!

I'm sure you've all heard about the sub-prime situation in the U.S. Unfortunately, I was on the wrong side of that trade and the past year has hit my finances badly, with prospects in the short-term not looking too good at all. So, I've decided to take the roulette system out of moth-balls, and see if it's still the "nice little earner" that it was all those years ago.

Here's the thing... I was told that Internet casinos are the place to go now, but I don't know anything about them! I hadn't given them a serious moment's thought until recently. I've tried a place called Spin Palace Casino (using the FREE Play game). The system appears to work very well there (makes anything from $200 - $1000 per hour depending on bet size), but as you can imagine, I have so many questions about these computer based casinos.

So, here I am asking for your help.

In particular, I would be very grateful to know what you think about:

1) Internet roulette vs a real wheel.
2) Can Internet computer wheels be trusted? Surely, they can manipulate the results and let you win on the free games, then take your cash on the real money tables?
3) Are there any new rules out there concerning table limits and betting sequences?
4) Which casinos have high table limits (dozens) with low minimum bets?
5) Are there any casinos that I should avoid?
6) Can the Internet tables know when I am using a system? If so, what are the consequences, usually?
7) What would you do if you were in my position?

I look forward to hearing from you, and in return will be happy to share more of my experiences.

Cheers - DM - a.k.a. NoMoreBets

Thanks to everyone who has responded.

Let me say right now that there is not any possibility---------even the most slightest, tiniest, most minute, hey, I'm talking smaller than an amoeba's arsehole-----chance on God's green earth that I will ever sell this system... LOL (Sorry, TwoCatSam) Why would I want to sell the system when I can make a lot of money, for a lot less trouble, by simply playing it!!!

Mind you, I am that much older now and the idea of travelling and hanging around the casinos again doesn't fill my heart with glee. I was hoping that Internet casinos would remove that aspect AND allow me to make money faster. But from your feedback it doesn't look like RNG is the answer. Then again, if live wheels can be trusted, at least I won't have to do the travelling bit again.

As regards some of your questions:

To mattymattz: The system doesn't run on a computer (but maybe it could be adapted to do that - is it possible to have computerised systems run automatically on Internet roulette tables?? Could be very interesting!).

My system is currently written on paper. I only need to memorise the betting sequences again to use it in a real-world casino. Mind you, in my day it wasn't frowned upon to sit at the table with notebook in hand. I even used to tell pit bosses that I was betting using a system. NEVER was I told that I was cheating and NEVER was my table closed down! Do you think it's still like that or would I be kicked out for "cheating"?

My relationship with casino managers was excellent. In fact, in many casinos they went to some lengths to let people know that someone was winning BIG on roulette. Of course, they knew perfectly well that what ever we won, others would lose several time more. And either way, they had table limits to protect themselves. If I was winning, they had to put it down to LUCK - Right? LOL

To Carlitos: Thanks for the suggestions. When I didn't have a family (now married with three kids) the idea of flying off to a tropical paradise like Nassau (Bahamas), enjoying the sun, sea, booze, and women, before a hard slog at the tables was a VERY atractive proposition. In fact, I did that on a number of occasions... but I never won at the tables there because I wasn't focused and made too many mistakes playing the system! I think it's the same in anything we do. Take your eye off the ball for a second and you'll get kicked in the a**!

To VLSroulette: Your feedback has been very enlightening. I am truly grateful. I will follow up the various references as soon as I finish writing this and will revert in due course. I hope Casinowebcam.com is not typical of Internet casinos, otherwise, I will have to go back to real-world ones. Bummer!

As regards the system itself, I am somewhat limited as to what I can tell you. Not because I don't want to share (although I would be a fool to give away the secret), but it was my friend who spent years developing it and I never really wanted to know the technical details.

Nonetheless, here is what I can share at the moment:

1) The system requires up to 10 banks (although we only ever had to use a maximum of three - I think).

2) Each bank represents a number of chips, not a dollar value.

3) What separates the system from other systems - so I was told - is that bet size is based upon a mix of probability analysis, trend analysis, and money management (funny really, because without knowing it, I developed a very similar algorythmic system for trading Futures and Forex).

4) I think the system uses a grind progression but I can't be sure if that's what it's called. Suffice to say that bet size increases after each loss, although, we don't use a set multiple (e.g., 2,4,8,16 etc). Because bet size is based upon additional factors it uses is variable progression. In some instances, the return on the first winning bet can be ZERO. However, normally within the next two or three bets the system can return a profit of 5 - 10 times the losses of an entire progression (subject to table limits etc.) - If that makes sense.

So, there you have it. I hope I have not been too secretive, although I'm sure you can understand why I can't share everything with you.

I'm off now to review some of your feedback and will return later.

Cheers & Thanks to all - DM (a.k.a. NoMoreBets )
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To Spike: I'm not sure I fully understand your question/statement. As regards being a money management system, you are probably correct, but I know it's not that simple (after all it took many hundreds of man hours to perfect). We don't select individual numbers and place bets on them. We only play the outside 2:1 bets. However, we do record every spin and periodically determine a betting sequence, bet sizes for that sequence, and where to place the bets.

I think the only systematic feature is that it wins more often than it loses (about 55%). However, the wins are significantly greater on key spins, than the losses. If someone was watching my bets, I am sure they couldn't tell that I was using a system. The bets and placements are so entirely random. But then again, I can't be positive about that. Suffice to say that we never had any negative issues with the casinos we played in.

It's worth noting that we visited at least 30 casinos a year, and never won enough at any one casino to be noticed. Possibly that went in our favour. I was hoping that if there were similar numbers of Internet casinos I would be also able to play the system again without being noticed.
By the way, the reference you quoted to the system being "hit and miss and requiring a £10k bank roll" was only at the beginning. After my friend refined the calculations, it became very reliable. As regards the bank roll, that was relative to the winnings we wanted to make. As I mentioned previously, we require 10 banks. If I'm betting £1 chips the bank roll will be £10k. From that £10k I would hope to make about £1000 within 500 spins. But it doesn't work all the time and the system went down £25K at one point.

As regards the math... I don't know what to say. My friend is a genius so I didn't need to know any more than that. What I do know is that there are plenty of people who say that financial markets are random and that it shouldn't be possible to predict price movements. Let me tell you that I have lived very well for the past twenty years trading Futures and Forex. How? Not by predicting price movement but by developing and sticking religiously to a trading strategy that determines optimum entry and exit timing, bet size, position sizing (scaling up and down), and strong entry and exit efficiency. Something that, without realising it, is very similar to the roulette system. My trading profits (up until last year) made an average annual return of 48%.

It's a shame that Internet casinos appear to be hard nuts to crack. I'm still going to look into them further. At the moment I'm trying to determine whether they are mostly owned by one company, or if there are many "players". If I can find 20 or more players, then I might still have a chance to play the system and slip under the radar.

Do you think that winning £5K at any one Internet casino would get me noticed?

Cheers for now.


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You said you were living the casino lifestyle but you go on to say that you could average between $200 and $1000 per hour.

Please note that $200 - $1000 per hour was only the result of recent tests I carried out on an Internet Casino. I was getting substantially more spins per hour than at the real-world tables from years ago. You also forget that we had plenty of losses, all of which had to be recovered. As I've just mentioned in my previous post, the system only wins about 55% of the time. The remaining 45% is also spent at the casino. I can't remember exactly how many days we played each month (it certainly wasn't every month), but when we were playing, we spent at least 8 - 10 hours per day at the tables... and yes, on occasion we had our mail forwarded to the casinos too!

I'm sorry that you are sceptical about my post. But then again, I can understand. Either way, I have nothing to prove and don't feel that I should have to. I only wanted to get some advice about Internet casinos, and thanks to this forum I am making some good progress.

Cheers again - DM.

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hi NoMoreBets,

you are talking about winning $5K per day? or per week or per month?

I can safely tell you so far $5K per month is nothing.. safe.. and successful  :-)

Thanks BobbyBobby,
I was talking about £5K per casino. The time frame for winning that amount is unpredictable but sometimes it could take about a week. Then I would move on to the next casino. I never really wanted to spend more than about 10 days at any one casino. If I hadn't won by then, I would move on regardless, and return at a later date (if needs required).

From the sound of it, you don't think that Intenet casinos would pay me any attention if I cleared £5k profit. If you don't mind me asking, what do you base that opinion upon? Is it simply from personal experience, or do you know of other information resources on the Internet?

I wish there was a truly reliable and verifiable source of Internet gambling data. Fom what I can gather this is still a poorly regulated area, and people's experiences vary dramatically. But I appreciate the feedback to date. Thanks

Cheers. DM

Hmm I’m not sure

[MoneyT101]

This was from a forum member by the name of Nobody. In 2009 he seemed to show a deeper understanding of non random. By Spin repeat, I think he was referring to the derived positions as in RRBB's thread.


Brainstorming / Pigeonhole of the pigeonhole
« on: October 31, 2009, 02:02:52 AM »
Hi all,

It has been awhile since I really start a post.

I have a theory which I hope someone can help me test.

It is about the pigeonhole theory.

Condition:
1. In 38 spin there will 100% a repeating number (spin 38 is the max)
2. 38 spin = one session
3. Every session will show us on which spin the number repeat
4. In 39 session, there will 100% be a repeating "spin repeat"


Example A
Session 1: numbers repeat on the 4th spin
Session 2: numbers repeat on the 12th spin
Session 3: numbers repeat on the 11th spin
Session 4: numbers repeat on the 19th spin
Session 5: numbers repeat on the 7th spin
Session 6: numbers repeat on the 7th spin ( Bingo! We have a repeat in the "spin repeat")

Example B
Session 1: numbers repeat on the 6th spin
Session 2: numbers repeat on the 13th spin
Session 3: numbers repeat on the 8th spin
Session 4: numbers repeat on the 4th spin
Session 5: numbers repeat on the 7th spin
Session 6: numbers repeat on the 9th spin
Session 7: numbers repeat on the 13th spin (Bingo! We have a repeat in the "spin repeat"

Playing method:

We know there will 100% be a repeat in the "spin repeat", so we need to catch the spin repeat.

Play one using example A:
Session 1: we wait and got the first Spin Repeat (SR) which is 4
Session 2: we bet on spin 4 on the 1st,2nd and 3rd number on this session to catch a repeat (no win so,SR=12)
Session 3: we bet on 4th spin of this session using 1st,2nd & 3rd number of this session(no win so SR 11 - we dont need to bet on the 12th spin because there is already a SR)
Session 4: we bet on 4th spin, 11th spin & 12 spin (no win , SR=19)
Session 5: we bet on 4th spin (no win, SR=7)
Session 6: we bet on 4th spin, then caught the SR on the 7th spin!!!


So here, the main theory is to catch the SR.

As you can see, if the SR is small, we need to bet more.

If the SR is big, a new SR will hit before that SR, so no bet.

This is still on brainstorming.

We don't have to bet on straight numbers. It is too high progression.

I am still looking at ways to play betting on even, dozen, column, corner, or split depending on the numbers of each session!

Constructive opinion is welcome.

Possitive feedback or suggestion, will improve the play.
Negative feedback or suggestion remind us of the how this will fail.

If we can find a solution or minus drawdown to the bottleneck or negative side of the play, we have a better play.

What do you think of it? Share and everyone can brainstorm.


All the best to you all.

Regards,
NoBody ^.^

Yes this was dyksexlic and yes this is same as rrbb out the box topic

[TRD]

Conclusion based on what ..

[MoneyT101]

Conclusion based on what ..

What are you asking exactly? 


If it’s about nobody here is one of his post and you can tell by reading his sarcasm

vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=17110.0

[TRD]

This was from a forum member by the name of Nobody. In 2009 he seemed to show a deeper understanding of non random. By Spin repeat, I think he was referring to the derived positions as in RRBB's thread.


Brainstorming / Pigeonhole of the pigeonhole
« on: October 31, 2009, 02:02:52 AM »
Hi all,

It has been awhile since I really start a post.

I have a theory which I hope someone can help me test.

It is about the pigeonhole theory.

Condition:
1. In 38 spin there will 100% a repeating number (spin 38 is the max)
2. 38 spin = one session
3. Every session will show us on which spin the number repeat
4. In 39 session, there will 100% be a repeating "spin repeat"


Example A
Session 1: numbers repeat on the 4th spin
Session 2: numbers repeat on the 12th spin
Session 3: numbers repeat on the 11th spin
Session 4: numbers repeat on the 19th spin
Session 5: numbers repeat on the 7th spin
Session 6: numbers repeat on the 7th spin ( Bingo! We have a repeat in the "spin repeat")

Example B
Session 1: numbers repeat on the 6th spin
Session 2: numbers repeat on the 13th spin
Session 3: numbers repeat on the 8th spin
Session 4: numbers repeat on the 4th spin
Session 5: numbers repeat on the 7th spin
Session 6: numbers repeat on the 9th spin
Session 7: numbers repeat on the 13th spin (Bingo! We have a repeat in the "spin repeat"

Playing method:

We know there will 100% be a repeat in the "spin repeat", so we need to catch the spin repeat.

Play one using example A:
Session 1: we wait and got the first Spin Repeat (SR) which is 4
Session 2: we bet on spin 4 on the 1st,2nd and 3rd number on this session to catch a repeat (no win so,SR=12)
Session 3: we bet on 4th spin of this session using 1st,2nd & 3rd number of this session(no win so SR 11 - we dont need to bet on the 12th spin because there is already a SR)
Session 4: we bet on 4th spin, 11th spin & 12 spin (no win , SR=19)
Session 5: we bet on 4th spin (no win, SR=7)
Session 6: we bet on 4th spin, then caught the SR on the 7th spin!!!


So here, the main theory is to catch the SR.

As you can see, if the SR is small, we need to bet more.

If the SR is big, a new SR will hit before that SR, so no bet.

This is still on brainstorming.

We don't have to bet on straight numbers. It is too high progression.

I am still looking at ways to play betting on even, dozen, column, corner, or split depending on the numbers of each session!

Constructive opinion is welcome.

Possitive feedback or suggestion, will improve the play.
Negative feedback or suggestion remind us of the how this will fail.

If we can find a solution or minus drawdown to the bottleneck or negative side of the play, we have a better play.

What do you think of it? Share and everyone can brainstorm.


All the best to you all.

Regards,
NoBody ^.^

Well, how does this enclose the meta-cycle on a sure win?


Let's say we play DS district.
If zero, lost spin but ignored in the count.


Let's skip easy wins, look at the worst-case scenario.


1st Cycle - Repeat on a spin 6 (SR=6)
2nd cycle - SR=5
  here we have to bet 5DS on 6th spin (for a cycle to constitutionally repeat itself)
3rd cycle - SR=4
  here we have to bet 4DS on 5th spin
                                       5DS on 6th spin
4th cycle - SR=3
​here we have to bet 3DS on 4th spin
                                      ​4DS on 5th spin
                                      5DS on 6th spin
5th cycle - SR=2
  ​here we have to bet 2DS on 3rd spin
                                      3DS on 4th spin
                                      ​4DS on 5th spin
                                      5DS on 6th spin
6th cycle - SR=1
  ​here we have to bet 1DS on 2nd spin
                                       2DS on 3rd spin
                                      3DS on 4th spin
                                      ​4DS on 5th spin
                                      5DS on 6th spin


you can see that the 6th spin is always skipped, no-bet
great, as is always the trouble at using cardinal+ordinal streams

also only 5 out of the first 6 cycles are bet upon


7th cycle - should inevitably repeat one of the 6 constitutional permutations
​here we have to bet 1DS on 2nd spin
                                       2DS on 3rd spin
                                      3DS on 4th spin
                                      ​4DS on 5th spin
                                      5DS on 6th spin


What if the 7th cycles'  SR=6, as well.
And the one after that, & the one after that, multiple all-unique cycle can happen at any time.

oops, the trouble's back ..


yes, it might give you greater binomial certainty of meta-cycle completing successfully with a 'cycle repeat'  over playing over one cycle only for a DS to repeat .. but what exposition have you accumulated till then?

worst case scenario, flat-bet
2nd  3rd      4th            5th                6th                         
(5)+(5+4)+(5+4+3)+(5+4+3+2)+(5+4+3+2+1)+(5+4+3+2+1)  =  5+9+12+14+15+15 = 70

-70, notwithstanding the Zero coincidental outcomes
& potential consequent SR=6 (-15) cycles added on top of that,
provided you don't accept a loss & continue till win inevitable win

If you do, you can pretty much count on the same won't happen again 2x or 3x times in a row. Someone would have to calculate the binomial certainty for that to be precise) +  (-70 flatbet) ain't that bet, but what's the gain (+5 at first spin at most & by spin4 ie. 4th cycle at the latest is already break-even, could be neg in the first)


If you don't --  the progression to win with one hit at the e.g. modified 5DS (+1) would be by then  astronomical.


If you decide to add another bet structure to complement it along the way .. it might win .. it might lose too adding extra debt.


All this fun views might be fun, but serving who & for what purposes.
All I see is praline jumping up, 6th stepping it with a redirection, & a then lot of smudging on top.


Bottom line, although it adds a lot of complexity its just a streched PhP within a cycle,
the concept has a hole ultimately. & luck won't hermetically close it into '100% consistent winning system'.

[6th-sense]

Nice summary,,,those conclusions of your examples were reached many years ago ,,
Do you think redhots example of the high percentage hit rate of ds of the low repeating is just that
The low repeating in all the ds,,
All it really means is the last 3ds out,,

Do you think if it went on further for a cycle closure it disregards the furthest ds out ? And a repeat in the latest 3ds is included in his hit rate

[TRD]

All it really means is the last 3ds out,,

Sure.

Do you think if it went on further for a cycle closure it disregards the furthest ds out ? And a repeat in the latest 3ds is included in his hit rate

?? rephrase

using only last 3DS invalidates the PhP, & the whole structure outlined as well.

[MoneyT101]

The low repeating in all the ds,,
All it really means is the last 3ds out,,

Well it’s last 3ds but for a cycle!  Meaning once a 4th ds shows up you ignore the ds farthest out and only play the most recent 3.

Example with spins 12345

After First spin you play 1
After second spin you play 12
After third spin you play 123
After 4th spin you play 234
After 5th spin you play 345