When to Start

[TRD]

thnx for the suggestion & clarification; always up to three latest DS, correct?

further, this modifies the core concept & although it still maintains the SR structure, it has nothing to do with hermetically sealing the game into a template with a sure repeat in a predefined number of spins. any ideas about achieving/attaining that?

[MoneyT101]

Like I told a few ppl already… all this new information is messing with everything I was doing before.  It’s not easy for me to switch my old ways and this new info requires it.  So many of the ideas I came up with still use the old thinking.

I said it a couple of post back… we have been doing this all wrong!

Dyksexlic even clearly stated in his old messages.  Number repeating is not the winning event. He even said he doesn’t bet 1 unit on all 37 numbers.

[TRD]

Number repeating is not the winning event. He even said he doesn’t bet 1 unit on all 37 numbers.

Correct .. a form of flat betting, positions can?be overlayed, one SU repeat does not resolve the game, but is based on the 'must repeat' principle.

5* I use FLAT BETS. (Progressions pave the road to Hell).
I SOMETIMES cover ALL numbers.
I ALWAYS cover SOME numbers. .
I treat all numbers the same (including the zero).
No individual roulette number has greater or lesser significance

2* If you base a roulette strategy on this guaranteed principle, you'll have a system which cannot be beaten.

He's obviously adding numbers as they come out - sometimes up to the whole board covered - according to the 'sure hit' principle which -- SOMETIMES ALL ..  I doubt that he ever encountered 37 uniques, even above 30 -- which kind of implies the core Vaddi structure too (attack+block), possibly multiple concurrent & filling the board up after a hit. Although this is a speculation.

He doesn't say anything about neither up to how many stacked nor removed, & in what manner; but if a single SU hit ain't resolutive + always covering SOME numbers, that implies upon a hit removing some of them only meanwhile others persist (as block); & each group, of yet unknown & to be determined amount of numbers, is based on the core 'sure hit' principle â†' multiple blocks.

Concurrent blocks might get added numbers alternately!
Always SOME numbers .. can some include or is some by definition more?



[13* Fixed progression, that has regular betting amounts I.e 1,2,4,8,16,32---->My system doesn't work on that basis, it isn't a STATIC thing that doesn't change. It's a DYNAMIC system. (another clue)
So one example wouldn't hold for every sequence of numbers.[/quote]




Also

The system is a 38 spin repeating cycle betting routine. 38 spins is the maximum allowable length of one cycle. The minimum estimated bankroll required is 2736 units and bets are placed on every spin of the roulette wheel. The number of bets and coverage varies over the course of the cycle. The betting style is a form of flat betting which returns a 100% guaranteed profit over the course of any spin cycle. The system relies on the 'pigeonhole' principle of repeating number distribution. The object of the system is to return a single repeat of a roulette number within the spin cycle. Once a repeating number is achieved, the 38 spin cycle starts again. While it is extremely rare to run the entire 38 cycle from beginning to end, the system ALLOWS for this possibility, ensuring no loss of bankroll could possibly occur at the end of any given cycle.

Maximum allowable length .. 38 spins  --  Are there more types?
Bankroll ..2736u  -- 
Object .. return a hit, restart the cycle.
Full cycle .. extremely rare.




A bankroll of 2736u  &  flat betting with 1+2+...+36+37=703,  definitely implies potentially carrying the debt beyond the cycle's max lenght.

What I ain't clear about, the mentioned Vaddi speculation above, is "Once a repeating number is achieved, the 38 spin cycle starts again." -- does that mean resetting all the positions, I would say most likely not due to "always SOME numbers".

[TRD]

&, another thing, most importantly
The betting style is a form of flat betting which returns a 100% guaranteed profit over the course of any spin cycle.

What does the 'cycle' here mean?
It obviously ain't 38-spin cycle. We know that eg. betting SUs on its own is profitable only stacking'em up to 7, 8 is a break-even. Anything beyond that, 7th spin, is not 100% profit. May be a sure hit, but definitely not 100% profit.

What he's saying implies both!

This can be interpreted, in two ways
• those potential structural subcycles (partly) overlay for the guaranteed profitm although I have bo idea about a congruent way to do so
• that at every hit max 7 positions are taken offboard, satisfying both conditions   --   sure hit, no matter how late in the 38-spin cycle + 100% guaranteed profit. The huge bankroll is in accordance to this as well. Although, without any other modification(s) it would sometimes take ages to recover the outstanding debt flat bet. ??

[6th-sense]

Yep pretty mind boggling dyslexic...

Maybe you would have done better than me with him ....on that thread,,,

Who knows ,,,but has it transgressed  further than his original idea

[MoneyT101]

Finally instead of focusing on how crazy it sounds I can see we are heading in the right direction by asking the proper questions

[6th-sense]

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General Discussion / Re: Dyksexlic, proof of identity
« on: Dec 14, 09:48 PM 2010 Â»
Quote from: Bayes link=topic=2884.  msg27047#msg27047 date=1292358951
in no way can using the PP help you to win.  

No matter how authoritative they may sound, don't let anyone tell you that the PP is the gateway to roulette riches - it isn't.   

I beg to differ Bayes. 

Interesting post tho'.  

Albeit a little misleading. . 

Yes, the Pigeonhole Principle is somewhat intuitive, but do NOT underestimate its power!!!

Put simply, the Principle states that if more than n pigeons are placed into n pigeonholes, some pigeonhole must contain more than one pigeon.  

Big deal. 

So, what does that have to do with winning roulette.  .  ?

EVERYTHING!!!!

While the Principle itself is evident, its implications are astounding.  

The reason is that the Principle proves the existence (or impossibility) of a particular phenomenon. 

Another version states -

"the maximum value is at least the average value, for any non-empty finite bag of real numbers.  .  "

Hmmmmmmmm.  .   the plot thickens. 

For typical data sets, the average is the ââ,¬Å"middleââ,¬Â value, so clearly the maximum should be at least as big.  

Incidently, many forum members have asked me why I called myself 'Dyksexlic'

Simple. 

It was out of respect and admiration of the man who opened my eyes to the possibility of a 100% winning roulette bet. 

His name was Professor Dijkstra. 

Go ahead. 

Google it.  . 


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General Discussion / Re: Dyksexlic, proof of identity
« on: Dec 15, 12:14 PM 2010 Â»

@flukey luke and VLS
Yes, I was referring to Professor Edsger Djikstra. A beautiful mind.

@Bayes
There is NO conspiracy at work.

Your perverse virtue of humility is intoxicating.

For the record, I had no prior knowledge of this Dyksexlic 'imposter' chappie, as verified by several independant sources. Victor and Ka2 will attest.

So, why do you seek to persecute me? Your crass cynicism amounts to intellectual treason..!

I make NO errant claim. Mathematics is the lost key to all of roulette's hidden treasures.

As far as I am concerned, there is NO need to to discuss either my 100% winning bet selection method or the mysterious Pigeonhole Principle.

Be that as it may, certain forum members have expressed an desire to debate this maths topic. I was therefore prepared to engage in an open discussion.

Discerning minds need only a hint, as understatement leaves the imagination free to build its own elaborations.

Make no mistake. Roulette needs ME..!

Permanent success cannot be achieved except by incessant intellectual labour, always inspired by the ideal.

Where better than here, on an OPEN roulette forum..?

But, if you believe my prescence will somehow antagonise the power-drunk moderators, then I'll consign this intellectual debate to history..!

Good day to you Sir.


@Ka2
Yes, the foundation of the bet is the Pigeonhole Principle.

You're correct, all roulette systems are subject to the maths of the game.  

This is actually a GOOD thing as the casino is ALSO subject to the same maths of the game.

No 38 spin sequence can therefore cause the Pigeonhole Principle to fail.

The Principle 'underwrites' the system's 100% win guarantee.

So, if a rogue RNG played 100% against the system, it would STILL win.

100% Guaranteed. No 'luck' involved.

Yes, I know exactly what you're thinking..

"odds of 35:1"
"negative expection"
"rigged RNG"

blah, blah, blah


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General Discussion / Re: Winter solstice marked by eclipse
« on: Dec 21, 01:10 PM 2010 Â»

Yeh, I noticed that eclipse too..

We held a 'special' celebration.

That ol' black magic has me in its spell..

Hehehe

 


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General Discussion / The Pigeonhole Principle
« on: Dec 26, 04:22 PM 2010 Â»
Disclaimer - "The following thread contains mathematical ideas which you may not agree with. If this is likely to cause you anxiety, please refrain from reading any further. If you continue, you implicitly acknowledge that Dyksexlic is not responsible for any harm caused to your cerebral cortex."


How to prove ANYTHING with the Pigeonhole Principle:

There are FOUR steps involved.

1) Decide what the 'pigeons' are. They will be the things that youââ,¬â,,¢d like several of to have some 'special property'.

2) Set up the 'pigeonholes'. You want to do this so that when you get two 'pigeons' in the same 'pigeonhole', they have the property you want. To use the Pigeonhole Principle, it is necessary to set things up so that there are fewer 'pigeonholes' than 'pigeons'.

(Sometimes, the way to do this relies on some 'astute observation'. )

3) Give a rule for assigning the 'pigeons' to the 'pigeonholes'. It is important to note that the conclusion of the Pigeonhole Principle holds for any assignment of 'pigeons' to 'pigeonholes', so it holds for any assignment you describe. Pick the rule so that when enough 'pigeons' occupy the same 'pigeonhole', that collection has the property you want.

4) Apply the Pigeonhole Principle to your system and get the desired conclusion.


 


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General Discussion / Re: The Pigeonhole Principle
« on: Dec 26, 08:38 PM 2010 Â»
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Dec 26, 06:41 PM 2010
Well, that's all well and good if you have pigeons but do you apply this concept to roulette?

The 'pigeons' are merely a mathematical metaphor.

Consider the principle a 'conceptual visualisation tool'.

A 100% Mathematically guaranteed roulette bet is possible with the correct application.
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Dec 26, 06:41 PM 2010
Please give us some specific examples of how to use it with roulette. It would be most helpful, since I feel confident that many of us reading your post, have no idea what on earth you are referring to. It sounds interesting though.

Scooby Doo

This thread is ONLY concerned with the Pigeonhole Principle itself.

For 'winning bet selections', kindly refer to Norman Bates... [Sarcastic smile  ]!

However, consider the following example..

QUESTION -
Prove that in a streak of 10 LOW roulette spins {1, 2, . . . , 18}, the selection
includes integers a and b such that a|b (that is, a divides b ââ,¬â€œ there exists an integer k such
that ak = b).

ANSWER -
Let the 'pigeons' be the 10 spins selected.

Define nine 'pigeonholes' corresponding to the odd spins 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, and 17.

Place each spin selected into the pigeonhole coresponding to its largest odd divisor (which must be one of 1, 3, 5, . . . , 17).

Notice that if x gets placed in the pigeonhole corresponding to the odd spin m, then x = 2km for some spin k ≥ 0.

Since 10 spins are selected and placed in nine pigeonholes, some pigeonhole contains two spins a and b, where a < b.

Suppose this pigeonhole corresponds to the odd spin t. Then, a = 2rt and b = 2st, where are < s, so that a2s−r = b.

Since s−r is a positive spin, it follows that a|b.

Welcome to the Magical Land of Mathematics..!

 


General Discussion / Re: What have you learned about roulette in 2010?
« on: Dec 27, 11:33 AM 2010 Â»
Quote from: flukey luke on Dec 25, 01:12 PM 2010
Have you made any significant breakthroughs in your game in 2010.
It could be regarding bet selection, money management, philosophy etc....
Anything that you think has helped to improve your play.

I've learned....that it wasn't enough to want to see Uncle Henry and Auntie Em...

And that if I ever go looking for my heart's desire again,

I shouldn't look any farther than my own back yard.

Because if it isn't there, then I never really lost it to begin with.

 


General Discussion / Re: The Pigeonhole Principle
« on: Dec 27, 11:45 AM 2010 Â»
Quote from: Fripper on Dec 26, 08:45 PM 2010
You lost me in the question but it was a nice read tho.

Maybe if I had read it in my own language it may have been easier to understand 

Thanks for sharing the pigeon principle 

You're welcome.   

Mathematics sounds the same in ANY language.

The Pigeonhole Principle is a roulette players secret weapon.

In general, it may not be so clear how to apply the Principle.

Sometimes we need to cleverly construct the 'pigeons' and the 'holes'.

If we do this correctly, the proof should be slick.

Otherwise, the problem may seem forbiddingly difficult.

When stuck, do not give up so easily!

You learn and improve the most when you are stuck.

Keep thinking of possible approaches, perhaps for a few hours,

And you might be rewarded with an elegant solution.

This is the ONLY way to learn mathematical problem solving.

Cheers.


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General Discussion / WINNING SYSTEMS? HOLY GRAILS?
« on: Dec 27, 12:07 PM 2010 Â»
Quote from: A3on on Dec 27, 12:55 AM 2010
Many people confuse a winning system with a holy grail.

In my way of seeing it, an holy grail have a simple definition:
System who can never lose a single session !

I don't believe in a "holy grail" system.
but I do believe in a winning one

The ONLY difference between a Winning System and the Holy Grail is this:

Any roulette system can win (no matter how ludicrous the bet selection method),

However, ONLY the Holy Grail is MATHEMATICALLY guaranteed to win each session.

Consider it an insurance policy.

My roulette sessions are just like riding a rollercoaster,

Yes, there are twists, turns and scary moments,

But, I NEVER fall off the rails,

And, I ALWAYS get back to where I started from,

Walking away with my heart pounding and a BIG grin on my face..

 


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General Discussion / Re: Game everyday life ââ,¬â€œ a diary of the roulette player -Russian-speaking forum
« on: Dec 27, 12:21 PM 2010 Â»
Quote from: Xoomax on Dec 27, 10:02 AM 2010
Thanks for an interesting forum.    I read much, I test ââ,¬Â¦

Zdravstvuj Xoomax

K sozhaleniyu, ya poka ne govoryu po russki.

Mathematics sounds the same in ANY language.

Zhelayu vsego khoroshego.

Uspekhov!

 


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General Discussion / Re: Everything's a flat bet!
« on: Dec 27, 12:42 PM 2010 Â»
 


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General Discussion / WINNING SYSTEMS? HOLY GRAILS?
« on: Dec 27, 03:56 PM 2010 Â»
Quote from: chrisbis on Dec 27, 03:04 PM 2010
Pardon for asking, the ride sounds quite interesting,
but is there any point to it if you end up back at exactly the same point?

Or is there a little gain that your not telling Us about?

Please tell me there's a point to the journey!?!  

Certainly.

Yes, my 'session' is like the rollercoaster ride,

Meaning its guided on 'unmoveable' rails, (Mathematics)

And even though the ride is full of 'surprises', (Randomness)

It is still somewhat 'predictable' (Pigeonhole Principle), plus,

I have no doubt of a safe and positive return at the end.

My opening 'Balance' is comparable to my heartbeat,

It fluctuates during the course of the ride,

At some points dropping right through the floor,

At others, shooting through my chest.

But in the end, ALWAYS beating faster and stronger (100% guaranteed).

The scenario is the same regardless of which 'rollercoaster' (Casino) I choose.

Note, that I don't have to be a rollercoaster 'designer' (Playtech) to enjoy the ride,

Also, that I don't have ANY limit to how often I can ride,

Or, how many times I can choose to 'thrill' my heart (Profit),

Plus, I don't need to PREDICT the 'path' (RNG spins) of the rollercoaster,

AND, Once my rollercoaster has begun, it is almost IMPOSSIBLE to stop me..!


Now perhaps you'll understand why I feel so darned HAPPY all the time.

 

[garod]

Number repeating is not the winning event. He even said he doesn’t bet 1 unit on all 37 numbers.

Hi

So do we know what is the event he was using?

[TRD]

How to prove ANYTHING with the Pigeonhole Principle:

There are FOUR steps involved.

1) Decide what the 'pigeons' are. They will be the things that youââ,¬â,,¢d like several of to have some 'special property'.

2) Set up the 'pigeonholes'. You want to do this so that when you get two 'pigeons' in the same 'pigeonhole', they have the property you want. To use the Pigeonhole Principle, it is necessary to set things up so that there are fewer 'pigeonholes' than 'pigeons'.

(Sometimes, the way to do this relies on some 'astute observation'. )

3) Give a rule for assigning the 'pigeons' to the 'pigeonholes'. It is important to note that the conclusion of the Pigeonhole Principle holds for any assignment of 'pigeons' to 'pigeonholes', so it holds for any assignment you describe. Pick the rule so that when enough 'pigeons' occupy the same 'pigeonhole', that collection has the property you want.

4) Apply the Pigeonhole Principle to your system and get the desired conclusion.

The trouble, as Bayes pointed out, in my words is the standard determination of a pidgeonhole, where the number of pigeonholes equals the number of constuting parameters in the payout eg. DS=6, where the last bet returns nothing at all, & add to this the Zero possibility as well.

There has to be some other way of defining the pidgeonholes properly -- to fit the roulette payouts & 100% assured profit accordingly.


Here's an example some type of alternative, but yet I don't know what to make of it.

This thread is ONLY concerned with the Pigeonhole Principle itself.

For 'winning bet selections', kindly refer to Norman Bates... [Sarcastic smile  ]!

However, consider the following example..

QUESTION -
Prove that in a streak of 10 LOW roulette spins {1, 2, . . . , 18}, the selection
includes integers a and b such that a|b (that is, a divides b ââ,¬â€œ there exists an integer k such
that ak = b).

ANSWER -
Let the 'pigeons' be the 10 spins selected.

Define nine 'pigeonholes' corresponding to the odd spins 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, and 17.

Place each spin selected into the pigeonhole coresponding to its largest odd divisor (which must be one of 1, 3, 5, . . . , 17).

Notice that if x gets placed in the pigeonhole corresponding to the odd spin m, then x = 2km for some spin k ≥ 0.

Since 10 spins are selected and placed in nine pigeonholes, some pigeonhole contains two spins a and b, where a < b.

Suppose this pigeonhole corresponds to the odd spin t. Then, a = 2rt and b = 2st, where are < s, so that a2s−r = b.

Since s−r is a positive spin, it follows that a|b.

Welcome to the Magical Land of Mathematics..!

Then again, if I take in your suggestion 6th sense, about 3DS having ≈99.x% or probability of hitting in 6x spins .. although I don't know if this really fits the below yet, & would need a modification of some sort till both PhP & the model in total resonance


Playing DS district:
eg.

our DS cycle is of the lenght of four spins only.
going for a repeat of cycle structure, as per the nobody's SR concept
on 2nd cycle we place only 1 bet, on third 2 bets, on fourth 3 bets

how do we surpass the possibility of cycle no-hit ..
how many permutations initial spin+three-spins of DS permutations - order of no significance, are that would still assure a repeat of one of them ! that still includes a repeat of the initial spin within itself -- I got the calculator, got 56. 56x3 is out of the question ..



Anyone got any tacit 'abstute observation' about creating PhP alternatively to the most common application?

[TRD]

The concept has to be sealed by itself & in itself, assured hit + different that total payout parameters pigeonhole, before even going into practical execution of it.

[MoneyT101]

I’m still in the thinking stage of the route I want to use but I don’t feel personally this is the only way to apply the pigeonhole principle.

I posted before about the example professor dijkstra used and I tried to demonstrate it with dozens

Without knowing which will repeat In 13 spins we are guaranteed a dozen to repeat 5 times minimum! 

So if we can find some form of betting where we can take advantage of the hits and minimize the losses we can beat every 13 spins of dozens

The same can be applied for other number groups

Dyksexlic just found a way to apply this principle to 38 spins!

[ᶦ ᵃᵐ|Ä-łëx]

Is this ok for the pigeonhole.. So if there are to pigeons what next?

[MoneyT101]

Is this ok for the pigeonhole.. So if there are to pigeons what next?

Nice visual btw 

It all comes down to your application and how you are playing this.

From the looks of it you are putting the numbers into there matching positions and 11 was the repeat but I can be wrong…

But once you have two pigeons you should have finished a cycle and start over. So you need to figure out how to bet? When to bet? What to bet on? ( it’s possible the opposite bet might have more value)

[6th-sense]

Is this ok for the pigeonhole.. So if there are to pigeons what next?

what order did the numbers come out?

also is this just a visual sheet or a program /excel

[ᶦ ᵃᵐ|Ä-łëx]

Sorry for my english,I remember Dyksexlic say when a repeat come that session end..At the start i was playing every number that came out untill i had 8 in total,from that point is  (the What to do?)..
6TH-SENSE is there any conection for the order to the Pigeonhole!

Also this pick has to be part of the calculation to pigeohole!!!