Fibonacci : The ultimate solution

[winkel]

possible ways to select:

DS:
bet the last
bet against the last
bet the last before last
bet against the last before last
bet only the first DS (2.; 3.; and so on.)
don´t bet  Ds1 Ds2 Ds3 Ds4 Ds5 Ds6

[winkel]

When the bet-size is increasing and the gap of underrating is also increasing you can change your selection to another Ds

[Roulettebeater]

@Winkel,

spielst du roulette online?

[winkel]

@Winkel,

spielst du roulette online?

Nein

[mohitomish]

How would you handle this scenario, this is from real spin and very much possible for any bet selection playing dozens
lll lll w lll w lw lll lll lll lw lw lll

This progression won't survive this

[Serendipity]

You won 5 out of 28 bets, which is around 0.17 (half the standard probability of 0.33), so I guess there is no system to win this bet selection.

[Roulettebeater]

You won 5 out of 28 bets, which is around 0.17 (half the standard probability of 0.33), so I guess there is no system to win this bet selection.

you're right! look at this simulation.. (both system use 12 numbers bet )


                    HIT    MISS   STDEV
System_1    36     64     0,5625
System_2    31     71     0,4366 


what do you think about the above result? system_1 can win without progression while system_2 can't...

do you think the fibbonaci progression can work here??

Although both systems outpeform !!

[Mister Eko]

How would you handle this scenario, this is from real spin and very much possible for any bet selection playing dozens
lll lll w lll w lw lll lll lll lw lw lll

This progression won't survive this

It is a losing HG. My first test was also -400 units.

[winkel]

Dozens Bet:

1 1
1 1
2 2 2 2
3 3 3 3 3 3
5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5
8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8

This is 2+2+4+6+10+16 total 40 bets.

Actually you could go and say : Look L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L  THIS SYSTEM LOST THIS BET1

Crazy people here!

(Fibo-stage) (Nr. of bets)
1 2
1 2
2 4
3 6
5 10
8 16
13 26
21 42
34 68
55 110
89 178
144 288
233 466
377 754 (depends on table-limit)
610 1220 (depends on table-limit)

up to bet stage 233 you can bet 1218 spins
Who can tell me that in this range never ever would be a streak with wins that that form a nearly euation of 1/3rd for a doz.

[winkel]

for example betting on street

this is the way and idea of this prolonged way to bet: survive all missing streaks

Code Select Expand

Coup PMZ TvP Spiel TvP Prog Eins Gewinn GuV Saldo max
1 31 11 6 1 -1 0 -1 -1 -1
2 34 12 6 1 -1 0 -1 -2 -1
3 19 7 6 1 -1 0 -1 -3 -1
4 26 9 6 1 -1 0 -1 -4 -1
5 31 11 6 1 -1 0 -1 -5 -1
6 36 12 6 1 -1 0 -1 -6 -1
7 17 6 6 1 -1 12 11 5 5
8 26 9 6 1 -1 0 -1 4 5
9 26 9 6 1 -1 0 -1 3 5
10 29 10 6 1 -1 0 -1 2 5
11 15 5 6 1 -1 0 -1 1 5
12 25 9 6 1 -1 0 -1 0 5
13 34 12 6 1 -1 0 -1 -1 5
14 1 1 6 1 -1 0 -1 -2 5
15 17 6 6 1 -1 12 11 9 9
16 22 8 6 1 -1 0 -1 8 9
17 7 3 6 1 -1 0 -1 7 9
18 36 12 6 1 -1 0 -1 6 9
19 7 3 6 1 -1 0 -1 5 9
20 11 4 6 1 -1 0 -1 4 9
21 2 1 6 1 -1 0 -1 3 9
22 20 7 6 1 -1 0 -1 2 9
23 24 8 6 1 -1 0 -1 1 9
24 30 10 6 1 -1 0 -1 0 9
25 25 9 6 1 -1 0 -1 -1 9
26 4 2 6 1 -1 0 -1 -2 9
27 23 8 6 1 -1 0 -1 -3 9
28 7 3 6 1 -1 0 -1 -4 9
29 11 4 6 1 -1 0 -1 -5 9
30 6 2 6 1 -1 0 -1 -6 9
31 32 11 6 1 -1 0 -1 -7 9
32 17 6 6 1 -1 12 11 4 9
33 10 4 6 1 -1 0 -1 3 9
34 2 1 6 1 -1 0 -1 2 9
35 21 7 6 1 -1 0 -1 1 9
36 0 Z 6 1 -1 0 -1 0 9
37 11 4 6 1 -1 0 -1 -1 9
38 24 8 6 2 -2 0 -2 -3 9
39 15 5 6 2 -2 0 -2 -5 9
40 35 12 6 2 -2 0 -2 -7 9
41 5 2 6 2 -2 0 -2 -9 9
42 29 10 6 2 -2 0 -2 -11 9
43 1 1 6 2 -2 0 -2 -13 9
44 29 10 6 2 -2 0 -2 -15 9
45 6 2 6 2 -2 0 -2 -17 9
46 11 4 6 2 -2 0 -2 -19 9
47 33 11 6 2 -2 0 -2 -21 9
48 24 8 6 2 -2 0 -2 -23 9
49 26 9 6 2 -2 0 -2 -25 9
50 19 7 6 2 -2 0 -2 -27 9
51 0 Z 6 2 -2 0 -2 -29 9
52 35 12 6 2 -2 0 -2 -31 9
53 28 10 6 2 -2 0 -2 -33 9
54 18 6 6 2 -2 24 22 -11 9
55 14 5 6 2 -2 0 -2 -13 9
56 15 5 6 2 -2 0 -2 -15 9
57 18 6 6 2 -2 24 22 7 9
58 22 8 6 2 -2 0 -2 5 9
59 22 8 6 2 -2 0 -2 3 9
60 15 5 6 3 -3 0 -3 0 9
61 30 10 6 3 -3 0 -3 -3 9
62 5 2 6 3 -3 0 -3 -6 9
63 34 12 6 3 -3 0 -3 -9 9
64 7 3 6 3 -3 0 -3 -12 9
65 11 4 6 3 -3 0 -3 -15 9
66 31 11 6 3 -3 0 -3 -18 9
67 15 5 6 3 -3 0 -3 -21 9
68 22 8 6 3 -3 0 -3 -24 9
69 8 3 6 3 -3 0 -3 -27 9
70 36 12 6 3 -3 0 -3 -30 9
71 4 2 6 3 -3 0 -3 -33 9
72 10 4 6 3 -3 0 -3 -36 9
73 14 5 6 3 -3 0 -3 -39 9
74 29 10 6 3 -3 0 -3 -42 9
75 25 9 6 3 -3 0 -3 -45 9
76 7 3 6 3 -3 0 -3 -48 9
77 3 1 6 3 -3 0 -3 -51 9
78 25 9 6 3 -3 0 -3 -54 9
-54 9
-54 9
79 15 5 6 3 -3 0 -3 -57 9
80 34 12 6 3 -3 0 -3 -60 9
81 28 10 6 3 -3 0 -3 -63 9
82 4 2 6 3 -3 0 -3 -66 9
83 10 4 6 3 -3 0 -3 -69 9
84 20 7 6 3 -3 0 -3 -72 9
85 5 2 6 3 -3 0 -3 -75 9
86 9 3 6 3 -3 0 -3 -78 9
87 29 10 6 3 -3 0 -3 -81 9
88 18 6 6 3 -3 36 33 -48 9
89 15 5 6 3 -3 0 -3 -51 9
90 7 3 6 3 -3 0 -3 -54 9
91 34 12 6 3 -3 0 -3 -57 9
92 14 5 6 3 -3 0 -3 -60 9
93 3 1 6 5 -5 0 -5 -65 9
94 17 6 6 5 -5 60 55 -10 9
95 31 11 6 5 -5 0 -5 -15 9
96 14 5 6 5 -5 0 -5 -20 9
97 14 5 6 5 -5 0 -5 -25 9
98 12 4 6 5 -5 0 -5 -30 9
99 3 1 6 5 -5 0 -5 -35 9
100 1 1 6 5 -5 0 -5 -40 9
101 1 1 6 5 -5 0 -5 -45 9
102 2 1 6 5 -5 0 -5 -50 9
103 12 4 6 5 -5 0 -5 -55 9
104 21 7 6 5 -5 0 -5 -60 9
105 5 2 6 5 -5 0 -5 -65 9
106 12 4 6 5 -5 0 -5 -70 9
107 4 2 6 5 -5 0 -5 -75 9
108 9 3 6 5 -5 0 -5 -80 9
109 24 8 6 5 -5 0 -5 -85 9
110 13 5 6 5 -5 0 -5 -90 9
111 5 2 6 5 -5 0 -5 -95 9
112 4 2 6 5 -5 0 -5 -100 9
113 9 3 6 5 -5 0 -5 -105 9
114 28 10 6 5 -5 0 -5 -110 9
115 12 4 6 5 -5 0 -5 -115 9
116 11 4 6 5 -5 0 -5 -120 9
117 34 12 6 5 -5 0 -5 -125 9
118 7 3 6 5 -5 0 -5 -130 9
119 2 1 6 5 -5 0 -5 -135 9
120 24 8 6 5 -5 0 -5 -140 9
121 31 11 6 5 -5 0 -5 -145 9
122 20 7 6 5 -5 0 -5 -150 9
123 24 8 6 5 -5 0 -5 -155 9
124 21 7 6 5 -5 0 -5 -160 9
125 5 2 6 5 -5 0 -5 -165 9
126 18 6 6 5 -5 60 55 -110 9
127 26 9 6 5 -5 0 -5 -115 9
128 30 10 6 5 -5 0 -5 -120 9
129 26 9 6 5 -5 0 -5 -125 9
130 21 7 6 5 -5 0 -5 -130 9
131 27 9 6 5 -5 0 -5 -135 9
132 18 6 6 5 -5 60 55 -80 9
133 19 7 6 5 -5 0 -5 -85 9
134 17 6 6 5 -5 60 55 -30 9
135 18 6 6 5 -5 60 55 25 25



[mohitomish]

Dozens Bet:

1 1
1 1
2 2 2 2
3 3 3 3 3 3
5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5
8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8

This is 2+2+4+6+10+16 total 40 bets.

Actually you could go and say : Look L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L  THIS SYSTEM LOST THIS BET1

Crazy people here!

(Fibo-stage) (Nr. of bets)
1 2
1 2
2 4
3 6
5 10
8 16
13 26
21 42
34 68
55 110
89 178
144 288
233 466
377 754 (depends on table-limit)
610 1220 (depends on table-limit)

up to bet stage 233 you can bet 1218 spins
Who can tell me that in this range never ever would be a streak with wins that that form a nearly euation of 1/3rd for a doz.

Okay but the progression should be practical not just theoretical. 

[Serendipity]

Winkel is right. If you come with a bet selection that gives you 3 wins out of 30 spins, you can never even think you can be in front. It's impossible. But in the long run, you'd be in front, of course with discipline and a good money management.

[Roulettebeater]

Winkel,

What Progression should we use if we want to bet on two streets per round ?

[Taotie]

I was excited about it,  but when you just mentioned the word „progression“ my excitement vanished

fact is, before you start tweaking any progression, you need to make sure that the bet selections is very solid! this can be verified by checking the performance of the system using flat bets!

So, if flat betting is long term negative, then progressions must be, too.

So you post the above discrediting progression on my thread and then here you are sucking up to winkel for a suitable progression to use with his method.

....What a douche.

Winkel,

What Progression should we use if we want to bet on two streets per round ?

[Roulettebeater]

So you post the above discrediting progression on my thread and then here you are sucking up to winkel for a suitable progression to use with his method.

....What a douche.

No my friend !

I would like to prove to everyone that progressions are bad !
I wanted to run a simulation test with 1 million spin and show it here !

That’s why I asked for the Progression