Betting Into the future.

[chrisbis]

W3M bet.

Does anyone else see what I see,
that the movement of the bet,
from 1st DOZ/High to 3rd DOZ/Low
is a frequency movement?

Can one of the very clever fellows here in the forum, put this bet, (the content drawn from dobidobido's bet post in the now locked w3m bet thread) into a graphical presentation to see if I am correct?

Reminds me of the previous discussions around the fact that the return results of the wheel (ball in socket) when laid out on the table (Felt) are the visual presentation of a dance performed on the table, by the marque.

Back to the Matrix theory then eh?

Of course, as articulated by many, esp some new members, It can not win ALL THE TIME,  b/c nothing can win all the time, but for one moment in time, during a session, if the playing frequency matches the wheel/table frequency, then one cam run with this or any system, and win in the short to medium term

Just my lowly ten pennith. (and I know nowt...................yet)

[esoito]

Maaaaate -- don't sell yourself short!!

For someone who supposedly "knows nowt" you so often have an extraordinarily perceptive and creative approach.

I 'dips me lid' to so much of the stuff you come up with, observations you make and connections you perceive.

The above is a prime example.  Thank you for it.

[chrisbis]

I don't get that feeling/sense from the forum most of the time.

I'm always trying to catch up with the guys who have years of experience on me.
I have 4 months experience, and most of that has been making mistakes till I joined this great house (forum)........................its the place to be for Roulette and all that sails in her.

I have an analytical, engineering brain that is wired up very loosely indeed.

But I see things.

I'm slightly dyslexic.
And have a little Dyspraxia as well.

But I am good at spotting things, I "see" things that may not be visible to others till its pointed out.

cheers esioto for the nice words.

Can U do graphs?

[esoito]

I don't get that feeling/sense from the forum most of the time.

I'm always trying to catch up with the guys who have years of experience on me.
I have 4 months experience, and most of that has been making mistakes till I joined this great house (forum)........................its the place to be for Roulette and all that sails in her.

I have an analytical, engineering brain that is wired up very loosely indeed.

But I see things.

I'm slightly dyslexic.
And have a little Dyspraxia as well.

I had one once but the elastic broke!

No, seriously, it's probably your far-seeing perception that contributes to this (in your case) mild condition.


But I am good at spotting things, I "see" things that may not be visible to others till its pointed out.

Yes. Exactly. And that's what underpinned my observations and comments.

(So often folk fail to connect the dots. )

You'd be great at brainstorming...something I used to really enjoy in more creative times.

cheers Esoito for the nice words.

Credit where credit due.

Can you do graphs?

Please expand. (No. Not THAT!!  Expand the question is what I meant. LOL)

[chrisbis]

I'll post a drawing in the morning.

I'm best at drawing. Its what I do.

Its late here, tho everyone else has gone to bed, its a little long in the day to get the pencils and rulers out.

tomorrow then,

Cheers pal.

[XXVV]

Thanks Chris you are so positive.

I can contribute a little to this as it 'overlaps' with much of what I am trying to do on that other thread and I can make a few suggestions -there will be nothing I say or refer to that is negative about anyone and all I want to do is move forward constructively- there is plenty of scope ahead here for lots of improvement.

The bet as provided is a great tool and as you say Chris, sometimes its in sync with what is happening and sometimes not. The selection of the spin sample from Wiesbaden was one of the easier examples I fancy but full marks for dobidobido for reverse engineering the bet in the first place and the betting sequence so accurately set out.

Many clever people tried to over complicate matters in finding solutions but they were cautioned.

The key is to tune the bet with the rhythm and true nature of the game. Random behaviour sometimes provides extremes in astonishing symmetries and order and other times wild choppy change. It is in the nature of the game that sometimes relatively prolonged imbalances occur - outside of probablity theory - for cycles within cycles from ten to twenty to fifty to hundred to several hundred or more spins.

Results can be skewed in various parts of the table. This will help with the bet sometimes, and other times hinder. Accurate reading of such imbalances can permit BWAB opportunities  for virtual and then live play and of going with SAME and not trying to predict CHANGE which can be fatal ( gamblers fallacy).

In such distortions it is suggested that when the bet loses sufficiently, the player stops and waits or chooses to activate the response to a trigger ( say two or more losses) to reverse the bet in some form. There are lots of ways to do this. I have tried a few with success but large sample tests need to be done.

I am trying to prevent the inevitable and boring claims that it as provided is a losing bet! At times it is and we can use this phenomenon, as we have been so often told ( give credit where credit is due) in another mode of the bet to our advantage.

Always it should be lots of small gains which can accrue and we have been already advised what is a suitable goal. No need to be greedy because that will see all the good work undone. I recall a fantastic saying by a true pro - never place a bet that will see your earlier profit put at risk!!!

I also like the milking analogies. This will gall with some readers. Too bad.

The trick will be to apply the most effective switch over. I look forward to some constructive suggestions here on how that can be managed. No doubt many will deservedly benefit from this work. Note the word deserve - it is intended ironically for a certain individual.

Once again thanks to dobidobido for his sense of fairness and to chrisbis for starting this particular thread and responding so postively.

best
XX VV

[dobidobido]

Hi Everyone,

To share some light on this.
When the zero is disregarded, this bet will balance itself.
So you will go up and down. Discipline is needed to know when to stop. Practice this playing and you will see that it is wiser not to play this bet continuously.
Replay your worst sessions and try to minimize the losses or you might even find a point where there was no loss.

Did you looked deeper and saw what this bet also covers...

When playing the 1st Dozen and High,
All Red Odd and Black Even are covered

When playing the 3rd Dozen and Low
All Red Even and Black Odd are covered

This was my last post for the time being.
We'll meet again,

Dobidobido

[XXVV]

Thanks Dobidobido

You have been most helpful.

I wonder if everyone realises just how important this last post actually is.

XXVV

[D1]

Thank's Dobidobido XX VV & Chris,

all positive solid thinking with Dobidobido really now giving us all something really positive to think about.

The coverage of the bet,

what the bet covers,

reverse engineering the bet.

And I have a feeling the bet within a bet strategy would also play a big part in this too,

although I am really unsure myself exactly how the bet within a bet strategy works,

D1.

[XXVV]

Right onto it!

I will offer a reply and stand to be improved upon!

BWAB strategy seeks out temporary ( short term) imbalances brought about by our new friend, randomness.

Suggest you may look for an imbalance in any EC, but most obviously H or L.

There are two ways to approach this

a. go with the dominant, ie the trend and climb on board ( SAME)

b. observe an imbalance, say 4 or more (?), then await a trigger which would be a two consecutive reversal ( say?) then play the ciorrection.

After all we have been advised by dobidobido to take a modest profit when avaialble.

Watching the PPPCbet live you can often see +4 or +5 obtained before a reversal - thus you might settle for a tad less.

By breaking your session into lots of mini sessions , these little bites add up, with an occasional loss.

It might be that monitoring the PPPC bet itself will signal a change to use as a trigger for your bets. It swings like a pendulum sometimes.

Hope that contributes.

XXVV

[XXVV]

I am surprised no one else has followed up this post which has such a fantastic title!

The contents of RO/BE as 20 numbers can be viewed as a whole.

Vice versa the contents of BO/RE as ONLY 16 numbers can be viewed as whole.

8% difference between these.

Surely there is a bet there.

XXVV