Roulette tournaments

[Ares289]

Considering that this is one of the most interesting threads on this forum, I thought that it would be appropriate to refreshing it so that other users could also find out about its existence.

[carvigno]

Those tournaments are for losers or idiots. How is it if you have a winning method to beat roulette you entering these tournaments? What pourpose? To get banned afterwards?

[Ares289]

Those tournaments are for losers or idiots. How is it if you have a winning method to beat roulette you entering these tournaments? What pourpose? To get banned afterwards?

For example, I would propose changing a bit the form of action, instead of denying the sense of the whole idea.

There are many possibilities, and many people have different approaches and goals.

Think about this how you would like it to exactly look like so that yourself would want to participate in such an event.

[carvigno]

There are many possibilities, and many people have different approaches and goals.

Think about this how you would like it to exactly look like so that yourself would want to participate in such an event.

I do believe there are only two possibilities, two approaches to the game. You play for fun or you play for business.
If you play for fun,  well, you invest to have a good time. You may lose more or less, win sometimes, but you will lose your bankroll sooner or later. When playing for fun, luck is involved.
If you take it as a business it's because you have a plan (a winning strategy and money managment, primarily flat betting) that let you win consistently , meaning sometimes you'll lose your stop loss target but many times you'll win your win goal target. When playing for business, luck is not present in the equation.

So, for somebody playing for business there is no incentive playing such tournaments, to prove what to who?, yourself? casino managment?. No point there. You play conventional game, take your money and leave when you hit your win goal,  or quit if you reach your stop loss amount. And dont be greedy, stay under the radar. Casinos dont like winners.

[Ares289]

I do believe there are only two possibilities, two approaches to the game. You play for fun or you play for business.
If you play for fun,  well, you invest to have a good time. You may lose more or less, win sometimes, but you will lose your bankroll sooner or later. When playing for fun, luck is involved.
If you take it as a business it's because you have a plan (a winning strategy and money managment, primarily flat betting) that let you win consistently , meaning sometimes you'll lose your stop loss target but many times you'll win your win goal target. When playing for business, luck is not present in the equation.

So, for somebody playing for business there is no incentive playing such tournaments, to prove what to who?, yourself? casino managment?. No point there. You play conventional game, take your money and leave when you hit your win goal,  or quit if you reach your stop loss amount. And dont be greedy, stay under the radar. Casinos dont like winners.

The greatest cause of motivation may just be the desire of competition/rivalry to prove that YOU ARE THE BEST ROULETTE PLAYER.

So it doesn't have to be fun or business, but the POTENTIAL satisfaction of resulting from the fact that you having turned out to be the best.

Theoretically, you could call it a kind of fun, but I wouldn't call it that, because if you lose, you will feel a huge failure and waste of time, so then it won't be fun for you but on the contrary...

[carvigno]

Ares, if you are in need of trophis, hugs and pats on your back, good for you.
All I need is to earn money playing roulette and stay under the radar as I said in last post.
No discussion should be here.
You made a point of what you want/need and the same applies for me. Just that.

[Ares289]

Ares, if you are in need of trophis, hugs and pats on your back, good for you.
All I need is to earn money playing roulette and stay under the radar as I said in last post.
No discussion should be here.
You made a point of what you want/need and the same applies for me. Just that.

This means that there was a misunderstanding because it's not about what I want or need...

Everything what I wrote in my previous post is just the substantiation for this my sentence:

There are many possibilities, and many people have different approaches and goals.

Because you later wrote that:

I do believe there are only two possibilities, two approaches to the game. You play for fun or you play for business.

- So I proved only that your belief is wrong/false and that's all. 

[carvigno]

- So I proved only that your belief is wrong/false and that's all. 

You havent proved anything. All you have proved is what you think about this issue.
The same can be applied to my argument.

One falls into one of these groups: recreational player or professional player. There are no ambiguities.

[Ares289]

You havent proved anything. All you have proved is what you think about this issue.
The same can be applied to my argument.

One falls into one of these groups: recreational player or professional player. There are no ambiguities.

It's true that there is no ambiguities, because I gave you a clear example of a situation where the reason for your game IS NOT fun or business but something completely different, so in that way I proved that you can't be right when you say that there are only this two possibilities, AND of course that's not all, if you want, I can give you next example of such a situation. 

[carvigno]

If you are not able to understand what im talking about then you fall into the group of recreational player.
A professional player would understand what i say.
I hope you are not offended. I'm only stating a fact.

[Ares289]

If you are not able to understand what im talking about then you fall into the group of recreational player.
A professional player would understand what i say.
I hope you are not offended. I'm only stating a fact.

Again, you are wrong (or deliberately lying) because then you didn't write about "recreational and professional" gaming, because then I wouldn't say that you're wrong because "recreational and professional" gaming it's too general a concepts.

You wrote exactly this:

I do believe there are only two possibilities, two approaches to the game. You play for fun or you play for business.

[carvigno]

Recreational player only wins when hes lucky,
Professional player wins coz he knows what to bet and when to bet. Hes profits from windows that presents themselves to achive optimun results. Hes doesnt need to be lucky to win, 

[Ares289]

Recreational player only wins when hes lucky,
Professional player wins coz he knows what to bet and when to bet. Hes profits from windows that presents themselves to achive optimun results. Hes doesnt need to be lucky to win,

Okay, but you know that for example Steve would say now that someone like "professional player" just can't exist because the casino always has an edge, right?

- Of course, apart from playing with his super devices, BUT I don't know if it's a good idea to call illegal practices a professional approach... 

[carvigno]

Now the discussion has turned to another topic.
Steve argues that his position is correct because it is based on absolute mathematics.
From that point of view he is right.

The point is that winning at roulette has nothing to do with that kind of math.
Besides, It is not necessary to use electronic means to defeat the game.

[Ares289]

Now the discussion has turned to another topic.
Steve argues that his position is correct because it is based on absolute mathematics.
From that point of view he is right.

The point is that winning at roulette has nothing to do with that kind of math.
Besides, It is not necessary to use electronic means to defeat the game.

The discussion turned to a slightly different topic, because it's a simply consequence to what you wrote.

It's obvious that recreational playing is not the same as playing only for fun, EVEN by your definition of recreational playing.

If Steve claims that it's impossible to winning in the long-term game without using special devices (or derived methods), then it means that he's right OR not.