There is a Turkish forum and 1 member posted a HG(at least this is what he said)

[Jordan]

My fellow members, I think we must all test this system.
I have tested so far a lot of spins and it is still UP.

His system is.

Trigger :wait for a dozen to sleep 4 times.
When we have this trigger we bet 3 times on the sleeping dozen  with the according progression   1,1,2

If it wins we are reseting again to 1 chip and we are waiting for the next trigger.

If we will lose,we stop betting this trigger(sleeping dozen) and we are waiting untill this dozen will hit and we are finding the next TRIGGER.
Then we are also betting 3 times but with progression  3.4.6
If we will win,we are UP and we are reseting for the next trigger to 1 chip again.

If we will lose then we are doing the same as above,but with progression 6,14,21.
This is it.
BR needed = 51 chips

I know that spliting the progression doesn t change anything!
But He claims that he has lost only 1 time in 2 years(and he is playing everyday)
and 2nd my tests are very good....I haven t lost yet.

thank you

[VLS]

Thanks for sharing dear Jordan, this should be a breeze to code!

[Jordan]

Yes VLS it would be good to code it.
thanks.

I thought also for an other way.

To have 2 BRs of 17 and 17 chips.

and If the 2 times will lost we we will have lost the 1st BR.and we are starting playing with the second from the start again.

progression is   1,1,2    3,4,6  for eatch BR.

Thank you.

[Bayes]

It sounds almost exactly the same as the system GLC posted here:

link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/miss-5-or-more-bet-to-hit-2-in-4!/

[ADulay]

Thanks for sharing dear Jordan, this should be a breeze to code!

Hmm, I may have to open up the Roulette Extreme program again for this one to look at.   Might be fun to watch it run for sure.

AD

[atlantis]

My fellow members, I think we must all test this system.
I have tested so far a lot of spins and it is still UP.

His system is.

Trigger :wait for a dozen to sleep 4 times.
When we have this trigger we bet 3 times on the sleeping dozen  with the according progression   1,1,2

If it wins we are reseting again to 1 chip and we are waiting for the next trigger.

If we will lose,we stop betting this trigger(sleeping dozen) and we are waiting untill this dozen will hit and we are finding the next TRIGGER.
Then we are also betting 3 times but with progression  3.4.6
If we will win,we are UP and we are reseting for the next trigger to 1 chip again.

If we will lose then we are doing the same as above,but with progression 6,14,21.
This is it.
BR needed = 51 chips

I know that spliting the progression doesn t change anything!
But He claims that he has lost only 1 time in 2 years(and he is playing everyday)
and 2nd my tests are very good....I haven t lost yet.

thank you

Hi Jordan,

This is not much different to fender's ZONE and we know that on occasions that will fail to hit for in excess of 3 games on a bad day. That was why fender started waiting for 2 and even 3 triggers sometimes before starting to bet...

If it really was as consistent and successful as it is claimed then might be an idea to use that labouchere for dozens progression eg:
1,1,1
2,2,2
3,3,3
4,4,4, etc...etc..
and then go back 2 places in the prog on a win and start from there on the next game.
eg: if won on the 2nd bet of 3 then commence with the line 2,3,3 on next game and so on until recovered and in profit... Better than putting even 51 chips at risk.

A.

[Jordan]

thank you for ur idea.
But if we will bet  111 ,in the 3d bet we will be even....

[Jordan]

SHIT!
my friends don t wast any time on this hypothetical HG...
It is losing preety bad!

I can t understand why ppl from all planet are telling lies about finding a HG.

[F_LAT_INO]

--BETTER THEN PUTTING EVEN 51 CHIPS AT RISK---
58 to be exact.

[atlantis]

thank you for your idea.
But if we will bet  111 ,in the 3d bet we will be even....

Well you could change it to a 2-step prog and simply continue after a LOSS:
1,1,2
2,3,3
4,4,5
5,6,6 etc...

This is the tweak that I used when testing Fenders Zone in his thread - but that was betting for 4 times after a sleeping dozen eg: 1,1,2,2

[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
3,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
4,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
5,24,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499,1 : 3rd Dozen
6,6,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,498,1 : 3rd Dozen
7,28,Bet,2,6,-2,4,502,2 : 3rd Dozen **WON
8,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
9,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
10,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
11,16,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : 1st Dozen
12,27,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : 1st Dozen
13,21,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,2 : 1st Dozen
14,22,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,2 : 1st Dozen **LOST
15,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,496,
16,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,496,
17,35,Bet,3,9,-3,6,502,3 : 3rd Dozen **WON
18,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
19,2,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : 2nd Dozen
20,2,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : 2nd Dozen
21,10,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,2 : 2nd Dozen
22,3,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,2 : 2nd Dozen **LOST
23,25,Bet,3,9,-3,6,502,3 : 3rd Dozen **WON
24,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
25,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
26,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
27,24,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : 1st Dozen
28,34,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : 1st Dozen
29,2,Bet,2,6,-2,4,504,2 : 1st Dozen **WON
30,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
31,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
32,8,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,503,1 : 2nd Dozen
33,13,Bet,1,3,-1,2,505,1 : 2nd Dozen **WON
34,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
35,35,Bet,1,3,-1,2,507,1 : 3rd Dozen **WON
36,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507,
37,36,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,506,1 : 1st Dozen
38,29,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,505,1 : 1st Dozen
39,24,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,503,2 : 1st Dozen
40,5,Bet,2,6,-2,4,507,2 : 1st Dozen **WON
41,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507,
42,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507,
43,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507,
44,24,Bet,1,3,-1,2,509,1 : 2nd Dozen **WON
45,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509,
46,5,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508,1 : 3rd Dozen
47,29,Bet,1,3,-1,2,510,1 : 3rd Dozen **WON
[/table]

Profit: +10
Total Games: 11
Won Games: 9
Lost Games: 2
Highest Bet: 3


Idea: To make safer perhaps wait for TWO consecutive losing games first before stepping in to bet. (2 loss trigger)

Cheers,

A.

[VLS]

Hey Atlantis, thank you for your chart and for using the [table=,] tag

[atlantis]

Casino Wiesbaden 16 JUNE 2010 - Table 3 (yesterday)
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[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
3,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
4,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
5,25,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499,1 : 1st Dozen
6,2,Bet,1,3,-1,2,501,1 : 1st Dozen **WON
7,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
8,29,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : 2nd Dozen
9,1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499,1 : 2nd Dozen
10,9,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,497,2 : 2nd Dozen
11,34,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,495,2 : 2nd Dozen **LOST
12,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,495,
13,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,495,
14,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,495,
15,31,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,492,3 : 1st Dozen
16,2,Bet,3,9,-3,6,498,3 : 1st Dozen **WON
17,4,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,494,4 : 2nd Dozen
18,27,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,490,4 : 2nd Dozen
19,33,Bet,5,0,-5,-5,485,5 : 2nd Dozen
20,24,Bet,5,15,-5,10,495,5 : 2nd Dozen **WON
21,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,495,
22,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,495,
23,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,495,
24,24,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,489,6 : 3rd Dozen
25,34,Bet,6,18,-6,12,501,6 : 3rd Dozen **WON
26,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
27,35,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : 1st Dozen
28,9,Bet,1,3,-1,2,502,1 : 1st Dozen **WON
29,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
30,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
31,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
32,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
33,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
34,31,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : 2nd Dozen
35,31,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : 2nd Dozen
36,28,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,2 : 2nd Dozen
37,15,Bet,2,6,-2,4,502,2 : 2nd Dozen **WON
38,13,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : 1st Dozen
39,31,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : 1st Dozen
40,21,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,2 : 1st Dozen
41,14,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,2 : 1st Dozen **LOST
42,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,496,
43,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,496,
44,35,Bet,3,9,-3,6,502,3 : 3rd Dozen **WON
45,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
46,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
47,36,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : 2nd Dozen
48,22,Bet,1,3,-1,2,503,1 : 2nd Dozen **WON
49,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
50,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
51,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
52,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
53,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
54,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
55,17,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : 1st Dozen
56,14,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : 1st Dozen
57,28,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,499,2 : 1st Dozen
58,33,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,497,2 : 1st Dozen **LOST
59,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497,
60,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497,
61,3,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,494,3 : 2nd Dozen
62,32,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,491,3 : 2nd Dozen
63,27,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,487,4 : 2nd Dozen
64,24,Bet,4,12,-4,8,495,4 : 2nd Dozen **WON
65,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,495,
66,12,Bet,5,15,-5,10,505,5 : 1st Dozen **WON - reset
67,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
68,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
69,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
70,22,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,504,1 : 3rd Dozen
71,32,Bet,1,3,-1,2,506,1 : 3rd Dozen **WON
72,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
73,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
74,0,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,505,1 : 1st Dozen
75,1,Bet,1,3,-1,2,507,1 : 1st Dozen **WON
76,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507,
77,8,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,506,1 : 2nd Dozen
78,8,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,505,1 : 2nd Dozen
79,24,Bet,2,6,-2,4,509,2 : 2nd Dozen **WON
80,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509,
81,0,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508,1 : 3rd Dozen
82,31,Bet,1,3,-1,2,510,1 : 3rd Dozen **WON
[/table]

Profit +10
14 won; 3 lost
highest bet = 6

I did not do it in this session but maybe a compromise is to wait for ONE virtual loss??
Also, I did not drop back in the prog after a win unless I was in profit and then I reset to the beginning.

A.

[iggiv]

i don't know if i understood it right, but i lost my bankroll on a second attempt.

i think when u say: "this is worth to look at" and "this is a column and dozen system", those
things are not goin together

[Hermes]

Then it must be a Turkish Holy Grail when he lost only once. Everywhere else it would be semi Holy Grail but it is interesting take, that's for sure. Needs RX tests. Don't try it on columns!
Thanks for sharing
Hermes

[Jordan]

Doz and Col are the same thing...12 numbers