Atlantis Alternative ZONE

[GLC]

A.

I played 5 sessions today.  I was using your original rules and even though 3 of the sessions took over 100 spins, they all eventually won 5 units.  There were no large drawdowns, -13 was the highest and 4 was the highest bet.  1 session only lasted about 30 spins and I never had a losing bet.

I will switch to your new mod because it does sound like a safer way to play.  I don't have the time to type out such nice sessions as you do, but still having my session results posted can only add to the evidence as to whether it's a long term winner or not.

If I have any unusual sessions, I will detail them to give us awareness of what to expect on what we hope to be rare occasions.

I'm going to make a concerted effort to spend what time I have to devote to roulette testing on this system to the exclusion of all others until we make a determination.  It'll be like quitting smoking or heroine, but I'll at least make the effort.

I don't know if the progression is the best for this system, but for now it's working.  Once we have a series of sessions, we can replay them with different betting strategies to see if there is an optimum one.

G.

[atlantis]

I played 5 sessions today.  I was using your original rules and even though 3 of the sessions took over 100 spins, they all eventually won 5 units.  There were no large drawdowns, -13 was the highest and 4 was the highest bet.  1 session only lasted about 30 spins and I never had a losing bet.

I will switch to your new mod because it does sound like a safer way to play.  I don't have the time to type out such nice sessions as you do, but still having my session results posted can only add to the evidence as to whether it's a long term winner or not.

If I have any unusual sessions, I will detail them to give us awareness of what to expect on what we hope to be rare occasions.

I'm going to make a concerted effort to spend what time I have to devote to roulette testing on this system to the exclusion of all others until we make a determination.  It'll be like quitting smoking or heroine, but I'll at least make the effort.

I don't know if the progression is the best for this system, but for now it's working.  Once we have a series of sessions, we can replay them with different betting strategies to see if there is an optimum one.

Hi George,
Thanks for your testing report. I am continuing testing also and keeping the same progression. Let's hope it proves a worthy avenue of investigation and we don't get roulette A.D.D.
I'm particularly encouraged by my latest results (using the mod):

Casino Wiesbaden 23 Jun 2010:
Table 3: +5 in 20 spins; maxdrawdown=1; highest bet=1
Table 4: +5 in 66 spins; maxdrawdown=4; highest bet=2
Table 8: +5.5 in 45 spins; maxdrawdown=2; highest bet=2
Table 9: +5 in 59 spins; maxdrawdown=1; highest bet=1

Nice to see some "easy" sessions.

A.

[atlantis]

Latest results:

Casino Wiesbaden 24 Jun 2010 (yesterday - using mod):
Table 3: +5 in 140 spins; maxdrawdown=20; highest bet=5
Table 4: +5 in 105 spins; maxdrawdown=10; highest bet=4
Table 8: +5 in 63 spins; maxdrawdown=6; highest bet=3
Table 9: +5 in 93 spins; maxdrawdown=15; highest bet=4


A.

[StackBundles]

Whats good guys nice to see some good results coming off here i wish i had time to test it but im that knackered after work i just cant keep my eyes open i hope this goes well because it will defo be a part time job or even full time playing this way 5pts is enough with a decent bankroll

good luck

[CashGrowth]

Whats good guys nice to see some good results coming off here i wish i had time to test it but im that knackered after work i just cant keep my eyes open i hope this goes well because it will defo be a part time job or even full time playing this way 5pts is enough with a decent bankroll

good luck

Hi Stack,
Long time don't hear from you, mate.
I'm in the same situation, working a real lot and it leaves me with no time for testing.
And for the ones posting methods and testing in this board, thanks so much, you guys are priceless.
Best of luck,
CashGrowth.

[atlantis]

Here are some examples on how to bet using the modification when you have a qualifying trigger (1st or 3rd doz has missed for exactly 4 times)

Example of multiple win in a 4 spin betting phase : We are betting the EC that contains the sleeping FIRST dozen (low numbers)
17 - win - not in 1st doz so calculate next bet and continue to play on LOW
30 - loss - not in 1st doz so calculate next bet and continue to play on LOW
16 - win - not in 1st doz so calculate next bet and continue to play on LOW
9 - win - 1st dozen won - game ended because 1st dozen hit and also 4 spin cycle is over.

Example of multiple win in a 4 spin betting phase : We are betting the EC that contains the sleeping THIRD dozen (high numbers)
17 - loss - not in 3rd doz so calculate next bet and continue to play on HIGH
22 - win - not in 3rd doz so calculate next bet and continue to play on HIGH
5 - loss - not in 3rd doz so calculate next bet and continue to play on HIGH
23 - won - game now ended because 4 spin cycle is over even though 3rd doz failed to show.

Example of 4 spin betting phase : We are betting the EC that contains the sleeping THIRD dozen (high numbers)
1 - loss - not in 3rd doz so calculate next bet and continue to play on HIGH
15 - loss - not in 3rd doz so calculate next bet and continue to play on HIGH
5 - loss - not in 3rd doz so calculate next bet and continue to play on HIGH
23 - won - game now ended because 4 spin cycle is over even though 3rd doz failed to show.

Example of win in a 4 spin betting phase : We are betting the EC that contains the sleeping FIRST dozen (low numbers)
16 - win - not in 1st doz so calculate next bet and continue to play on LOW
12 - win - 1st dozen won - game cycle ended because 1st dozen hit.

*Only if a win is obtained by way of the missing dozen OR if a 4 bet phase has expired do we stop betting on the relevant EC until the next qualifying trigger*

A.

[GLC]

Here are some examples on how to bet using the modification when you have a qualifying trigger (1st or 3rd doz has missed for exactly 4 times)

Example of multiple win in a 4 spin betting phase : We are betting the EC that contains the sleeping FIRST dozen (low numbers)
17 - win - not in 1st doz so calculate next bet and continue to play on LOW
30 - loss - not in 1st doz so calculate next bet and continue to play on LOW
16 - win - not in 1st doz so calculate next bet and continue to play on LOW
9 - win - 1st dozen won - game ended because 1st dozen hit and also 4 spin cycle is over.

Example of multiple win in a 4 spin betting phase : We are betting the EC that contains the sleeping THIRD dozen (high numbers)
17 - loss - not in 3rd doz so calculate next bet and continue to play on HIGH
22 - win - not in 3rd doz so calculate next bet and continue to play on HIGH
5 - loss - not in 3rd doz so calculate next bet and continue to play on HIGH
23 - won - game now ended because 4 spin cycle is over even though 3rd doz failed to show.

Example of 4 spin betting phase : We are betting the EC that contains the sleeping THIRD dozen (high numbers)
1 - loss - not in 3rd doz so calculate next bet and continue to play on HIGH
15 - loss - not in 3rd doz so calculate next bet and continue to play on HIGH
5 - loss - not in 3rd doz so calculate next bet and continue to play on HIGH
23 - won - game now ended because 4 spin cycle is over even though 3rd doz failed to show.

Example of win in a 4 spin betting phase : We are betting the EC that contains the sleeping FIRST dozen (low numbers)
16 - win - not in 1st doz so calculate next bet and continue to play on LOW
12 - win - 1st dozen won - game cycle ended because 1st dozen hit.

*Only if a win is obtained by way of the missing dozen OR if a 4 bet phase has expired do we stop betting on the relevant EC until the next qualifying trigger*

A.

A.

Thank for this post.  This clears up everything.  I didn't realize the rule to continue betting if a win occurred outside the sleeping doz.  This will make a difference.  I'll start testing this way immediately.

G.

P.S.  This can be a grind, but if the potential losses are curtailed, it'll be worth it.  I do think we're going to have to have a stop loss eventually.  Where, will have to be determined.  The killer for a system like this is if you can have a 100 unit drawdown and then have to climbed back up.  For me, that's what makes THE ZONE a tough system to play.

P.S.S.  Stack,  nice to hear from you again.  lol

[atlantis]

Hi GLC,

Here are latest results:
Casino Wiesbaden 25 Jun 2010 (yesterday - using mod):
Table 3: +5 in 95 spins; maxdrawdown=22.5; highest bet=6
Table 4: +5 in 43 spins; maxdrawdown=4; highest bet=2
Table 8: +5.5 in 208 spins; maxdrawdown=20; highest bet=5
Table 9: +5.5 in 265 spins; maxdrawdown=30.5; highest bet=6

Happy to report all winners again - but the last 2 sessions were a helluva grind - which is what can occur using this method as you have evidently noticed... Winning at roulette is not easy. But then anything worthwhile never is. We must proceed with what we think is a secure framework and try not to "gamble". We must be a winner - not a gambler!

Maybe, as Fender says, it would be a good idea to settle for a lower profit target eg: +3
This *should* reduce session spin time and at times possibly help with drawdowns and bet levels... So from now on I will play until +3 in profit. If a session is proving lengthy or difficult maybe get out as soon as poss and even accept a +2 ?

Replaying the last 2 sessions again for a +3 results in this:

Table 8: +3 in 137 spins; maxdrawdown=20; highest bet=5
Table 9: +3.5 in 152 spins; maxdrawdown=30.5; highest bet=6
+ the quicker sessions on Table 3 and 4 would obviously conclude sooner too.


Thanks,
A.

[atlantis]

2 more tests today:

Casino BERLIN 25 Jun 2010 (yesterday - using mod):

Table 3: +3.5  in 127 spins; maxdrawdown=14.5; highest bet=5
Table 4: +3.5  in 39 spins; maxdrawdown=2; highest bet=2

and 2 more tests:

Casino BREMEN 25 Jun 2010 (yesterday - using mod):

Table 3: +3  in 159 spins; maxdrawdown=33; highest bet=7
Table 4: +3  in 60 spins; maxdrawdown=6; highest bet=3

Just shows how difficult it can be to win 3 units!


A.

[StackBundles]

lol im not bothered how hard it is just as long as we can get there looking good so far

[atlantis]

Hi Stack,

It's good it keeps winning - so far...

Casino DUISBURG 25 Jun 2010 (yesterday - with mod)

table 4: +3 in 30 spins; maxdrawdown=2; highest bet=2
table 5: +3 in 30 spins; maxdrawdown=1; highest bet=1
table 7: +3.5 in 60 spins; maxdrawdown=8; highest bet=3
table 8: +5.5 in 370 spins; maxdrawdown=95; highest bet=10
table 9: +3 in 51 spins; maxdrawdown=10; highest bet=4

Another 5 winning sessions. However the stand out session is table 8. This session was *really bad* and i.m.h.o. would have been abandoned as it was losing and just not delivering. It DID end up winning but look at the spin count and the drawdown!!

I have an idea now how to prevent this sort of occurrence as I can see why it happens and I think I have the answer now.. More later..

A.

[GLC]

A.

I too have had the sequence from below hell.  I went to used some recorded spins from spielbank Wiesbaden Permanenzen von Tisch 3 vom 18.05.2010.

I started out with a win of +5 after 81 spins.  An easy session.

Then I started out losing.  I was never higher than zero.  I ran out of numbers after 302.  I ended up at -177 with a highest bet of -14.  I lost 56 bets and won only 27.  That's about 8-10 hours of playing and who knows how long to bet back out of the hole.

If you want,  I can post the spins and you can see how you would have played them.  It's possible I did something wrong.  Although, I don't think so.  I may have made a mistake or two but not enough to change anything much.

Let me know what you think.

G.

[atlantis]

Hi GLC,

George, my idea is to reduce the betting spin cycle to 3, 2 or maybe even to 1 bets (a bit like Fender's "CROSSPLAY 5" where he bets for 2 times only on a qualifier)

Here is that 'session from hell'  again at table 8, Casino DUISBURG 25 Jun 2010:
table 8: +5.5 in 370 spins; maxdrawdown=95; highest bet=10

Now if I replay that awkward difficult session with a 3 bet/spin cycle:
table 8: +3.5 in 299 spins; maxdrawdown=77; highest bet=9

and now with a 2 spin cycle:
table 8: +3.5 in 285 spins; maxdrawdown=70; highest bet=9

Better. But still a lot of spins and the high bets and fairly large drawdown...

and now playing for just ONE spin cycle:

table 8: +3.5 in 349 spins; maxdrawdown=19; highest bet=5

This is much better! The drawdown is much more acceptable for a really bad session like this, and the highest bet made is halved in size from the original..
The spin count has grown even higher - yes - but then this is a really difficult session encountered and I cannot expect the same number of winners from one spin attempts so the trade-off may be bearable...
The progression I did not change - but because now if using just ONE spin sequences on a EC this opens up the possibility of using PLUSCOUP or GUETTING to achieve the goal/target sooner.

A.

[atlantis]

Hi George,

Here is the ONE spin cycle and same progression on your table/date. Aiming for the +3

Casino Weisbaden 18 May 2010 - Table 3
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[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
3,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
4,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
5,35,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : High (19-36)
6,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
7,15,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Low (1-18)
8,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
9,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
10,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
11,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
12,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
13,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
14,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
15,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
16,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
17,15,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : High (19-36)
18,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
19,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
20,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
21,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
22,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
23,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
24,8,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : High (19-36)
25,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
26,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
27,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
28,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
29,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
30,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
31,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
32,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
33,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
34,18,Bet,2,4,-2,2,502,2 : Low (1-18)
35,30,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : High (19-36)
[/table]

+3 in 35 spins @ 6 games.

Cheers,
A.

PS. George, please try out this on your "hell" session  and check to see if any significant improve - thanks. See if you can get a +3 target then stop.

[atlantis]

Hi guys,

Here are some more results from the tables at Casino Duisburg for 25 Jun 2010 played with the one spin cycle mod + same progression...

table 10: +3 in 26 spins; maxdrawdown=0; highest bet=1
table 11: +3 in 80 spins; maxdrawdown=2; highest bet=2
table 12: +3 in 167 spins; maxdrawdown=12; highest bet=4
table 13: +3 in 64 spins; maxdrawdown=2; highest bet=2
table 14: +3 in 12 spins; maxdrawdown=0; highest bet=1
table 15: +3 in 95 spins; maxdrawdown=6; highest bet=3
table 16: +3 in 16 spins; maxdrawdown=0; highest bet=1
table 17: +3 in 38 spins; maxdrawdown=1; highest bet=1
table 18: +3.5 in 227 spins; maxdrawdown=6; highest bet=3

Vastly superior results.

table 18 was a lengthy session mainly due to lack of qualifiers and up/down streaks but apart from that no problem with high stakes or massive drawdowns.
Overall picture is that this is the way to go... One spin bets.
NOW the prog does the job and is efficient -  can it be tweaked to produce even better results??

A.