Atlantis Alternative ZONE

[weddings]

Hey Altantis just a suggestion if we are able to bet on any 5 double streets of our choice we can also consider the 2nd dozen rite? Therefore adding more triggers but of cause it has to have another progression.

[GLC]

A.

I re-ran the session from hell by just considering the 1st bet after tracking and came up with -31 with a high bet of 7.

If you want to look at it yourself if begins on spin 82 of the session you just published. The 3 spins before are 6,23,26 and the sessions begins with 3,12,35, etc...

I haven't retracked the whole session.  It may be that some of the bets may change because of tracking thru some of the bet sequences resulting in a new bet signal.  I'm not sure.  Running out of time right now.

George

[atlantis]

Hi George,

I can confirm that is a horrible session using the one spin mod. I am getting -44 playing from spin 82 for 301 spins (end of spins) with the last bet being the 2nd bet@ 6 units.
Bad sessions like this are going to wipe out previous gains - so they cannot be tolerated!

Back to the drawing board to see if this can be avoided with some kind of mod which can help reverse such an unwanted situation... if there is one to be found that is!

This system has been refined and streamlined with 3 mods so far and you have witnessed it evolve (for the better, I think) over just a few days - now it's back to the roulette alchemists lab in a quest for a formula to transmute unwanted losses into the gold of an unfailing strategy

You are all invited to help join in the search. One solution may be a different progression or some amending of the mechanics involved... Sometimes it helps to forget about the problem and return to it later when refreshed. I will do that and sleep on the matter as I am now tired from testing today. Goodnight. 

A.

[GLC]

A.

It seems that you had a little different outcome than I did, but not good nonetheless. 

I have written my wins/losses out in a series which is this:
-,-,+,-,+,+,-,-,+,-,-,-,-,+,+,-,-,-,-,+,+,-,-,-,+,-,-,-. 

I tried a fibonacci 1,1,2,3,5,8 etc... and came out with -8.  I tried a cancellation method and it was -65.  The only thing that I can see that wins is a 5 step martingale. 

I suppose we could consider a stop loss.  It doesn't do horrible until the last half.  Maybe to quit while you're not too far down after a certain number of spins.  At about spin 150 I got back to -1.  Maybe put a limit loss to a certain amount if you reach 150 spins without being positive.

I think we should stick to the +5 target for each session unless we get to 150 spins, then  quit at anything above say -5.

I think that we are finding out that no matter how stable a system appears, there is always that string of spins that will kill it, and so we have to have some rules to allow us losses and determine if they ultimately wipe out all our winnings.  If they do, then it's back to the drawing board.

Rest will my friend,

G.

[atlantis]

Hi George,

I may have found an answer of sorts!!
I played your "hell session" using the progression:
up 1 on a loss; down 1 on a win (when I was close to recovering I just bet the necessary amount to show a profit of +1 if it was less than going down 1 from the current level)
Reset to 1 if level or ahead of highest recorded figure as usual.

Anyhow - now I get this result sticking with the ONE SPIN CYCLE:

GLC "hell" session:  +3 in 112 spins; maxdrawdown=6; highest bet=4

Casino Wiesbaden 26 Jun 2010 (yesterday - using above prog):
Table 3: +3 in 108 spins; maxdrawdown=6; highest bet=4
Table 4: +3 in 51 spins; maxdrawdown=1; highest bet=2
Table 8: +3 in 71 spins; maxdrawdown=3; highest bet=3
Table 9: +3 in 52 spins; maxdrawdown=1; highest bet=2

Looks good so far!

A.

[atlantis]

Hi,

Results now from Casino DUISBURG 26 Jun 2010 (yesterday using new prog):

Table 3: +3 in 68 spins; maxdrawdown=6; highest bet=4
Table 4: +3 in 91 spins; maxdrawdown=6; highest bet=4
Table 5: +3.5 in 225 spins; maxdrawdown=40.5; highest bet=10
Table 7: +3 in 23 spins; maxdrawdown=1; highest bet=2
Table 8: +3 in 20 spins; maxdrawdown=0; highest bet=1
Table 9: +3 in 228 spins; maxdrawdown=18.5; highest bet=7
Table 10: +3 in 44 spins; maxdrawdown=1; highest bet=2
Table 11: +3 in 20 spins; maxdrawdown=0; highest bet=1
Table 12: +3 in 143 spins; maxdrawdown=14; highest bet=6
Table 13: +3 in 51 spins; maxdrawdown=1; highest bet=4
Table 14: +3 in 46 spins; maxdrawdown=1; highest bet=2
Table 17: +3 in 52 spins; maxdrawdown=1; highest bet=2
Table 18: -33 in 208 spins; maxdrawdown=56; highest bet=12

It seems every now and again you get a real grinder that is hard to recover from like on tables 5,9.
Table 18 really was the pits with a high bet of 12 and ran out of spins ending in  -33
We cannot afford to come up against such sessions as those...
I, personally, would under no circumstances be prepared to play this system unless we can see these "bad" games eradicated somehow...

I'm disappointed a little. Possibly the bad results might be improved if keeping the new progression but switching to a 2 spin cycle of betting?? But I'm beginning to suspect that it may make little difference and although a more aggressive progression might work could also be dangerous as well...
This system is based on ZONE principles and I thought would have been safer since extra numbers are covered but as you can see from above results there's no guarantees it will work out favourably for a profit.

A.

[atlantis]

The following is taken from that freeroulettesystem site:

The 2 up - 2 down progression
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(a simple progression for small to medium bankrolls)
This is suitable for the Even Money bets in Roulette and could also be used for Mini-Bac.
You commence with a 1 unit bet and you continue betting 1 unit until you lose 2 consecutive bets.
When this happens you increase your bet to 2 units and continue to bet 2 units until you
a) win 2 consecutive bets at which point you reduce your next bet to 1 unit
b) lose 2 consecutive bets which means you increase your next bet to 3 units.

The progression is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 - if you reach 5 you should restart at 1 or you can continue 6, 8, 10.
Just remember you go up to the next number after 2 consecutive losses and you go down one step to the next lowest number after 2 consecutive wins.

For example: if you win 2 consecutive bets of 4 units each your next bet would be 3 units.

Have used this on the "bad" session on table 8 at Duisburg yesterday.

Table 8: +3 in 129 spins; maxdrawdown=12; highest bet = 4

How I played it:

Tracked and waited for the qualifying trigger as normal.
Betted using the above progression UNTIL a win was obtained. I didn't use cycles at all. I simply continued betting the relevant EC until ANY win occurred. (this can mean several bets)
After a win I STOPPED and waited for next qualifier.
If I was level or ahead of my highest recorded figure - I reduced staking to 1 for next qualifier otherwise I continued betting at the level according to 2U-2D rules. Exception was if at any time I could bet a lower stake to gain a +1 profit advantage.

It totally transforms that "bad" session but it remains to be seen how it will pan out as a general rule of play... I'm a bit happier now since I turned that round

A.

[atlantis]

Tracked and waited for the qualifying trigger as normal.
Betted using the above progression UNTIL a win was obtained. I didn't use cycles at all. I simply continued betting the relevant EC until ANY win occurred. (this can mean several bets)
After a win I STOPPED and waited for next qualifier.
If I was level or ahead of my highest recorded figure - I reduced staking to 1 for next qualifier otherwise I continued betting at the level according to 2U-2D rules. Exception was if at any time I could bet a lower stake to gain a +1 profit advantage.

I think now probably better to reinstate the 4 spin bet cycle limit rather than to continue betting on an EC until it does eventually hit...
I will retest GLC's "hell" session with the 2U-2D approach.

A.

[atlantis]

Ok. Here is GLC's 'hell' session replayed with the latest 2U-2D progression playing for a "MAX OF 4" bet/spin cycle. Cycle is ended ANYTIME a win occurs on the EC (doz or line) during a cycle of 4 and bets then stop until next trigger qualifier. (1st or 3rd doz missed exactly 4 times)
Zero counts as part of the cycle and also as part of the tracking/recording phase.
Playing on single 0 with le partage and real casino numbers.
Target +3 per session.

Casino Wiesbaden 18 MAY 2010 - Table 3 (from spin 82)
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[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
3,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
4,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
5,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
6,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
7,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
8,24,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : High (19-36)
9,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
10,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
11,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
12,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
13,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
14,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
15,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
16,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
17,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
18,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
19,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
20,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
21,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
22,28,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : High (19-36)
23,26,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Low (1-18)
24,17,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Low (1-18)
25,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
26,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
27,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
28,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
29,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
30,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
31,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
32,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
33,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
34,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
35,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
36,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
37,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
38,22,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Low (1-18)
39,22,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : Low (1-18) *incr by 1
40,1,Bet,2,4,-2,2,502,2 : Low (1-18) *level so reset
41,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
42,12,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : High (19-36)
43,26,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : High (19-36)
44,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
45,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
46,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
47,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
48,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
49,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
50,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
51,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
52,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
53,8,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : Low (1-18) *target reached
[/table]

+3 in 53 spins @6 games played
highest bet = 2
maxdrawdown = 0

This is best I've been able to come up with so far, GLC - but it's good.
Sorry for change in rules yet again but I'm searching to find the optimum strategy.
All my further sessions will be played this way and reported here.
Others interested please share your results too.


A.

[atlantis]

Here is another example:

Casino Wiesbaden 26 JUN 2010 - Table 3
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[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
3,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
4,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
5,33,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : High (19-36) W
6,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
7,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
8,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
9,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
10,12,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : High (19-36) L
11,6,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499,1 : High (19-36) L
12,7,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,497,2 : High (19-36) L
13,21,Bet,2,4,-2,2,499,2 : High (19-36) W
14,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
15,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
16,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
17,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
18,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
19,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
20,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
21,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
22,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
23,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
24,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
25,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
26,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
27,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
28,27,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,497,2 : Low (1-18) L
29,6,Bet,2,4,-2,2,499,2 : Low (1-18) W
30,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
31,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
32,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
33,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
34,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
35,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
36,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
37,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
38,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
39,6,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,497,2 : High (19-36) L
40,21,Bet,2,4,-2,2,499,2 : High (19-36) W
41,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
42,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
43,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
44,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
45,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
46,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
47,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
48,4,Bet,2,4,-2,2,501,2 : Low (1-18) W *reset to 1
49,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
50,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
51,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
52,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
53,16,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Low (1-18) W
54,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
55,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
56,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
57,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
58,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
59,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
60,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
61,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
62,35,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Low (1-18) L
63,2,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Low (1-18) W
64,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
65,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
66,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
67,13,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : High (19-36) L
68,21,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : High (19-36) W
69,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
70,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
71,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
72,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
73,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
74,5,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : Low (1-18) W *target reached
[/table]

+3 in 74 spins @9 games played.
maxdrawdown=4
highest bet=2

Seriously folks - this could be the winning strategy

A.

[atlantis]

Hi,

I'm ceasing to spend time doing any more testing on this. Seemed like a good idea so I stuck with it for a while but unfortunately I don't like the way it will regularly produce a really bad result which simply wipes out previous hard earned profits and defeats the object.. That and the fact it is a real grinder for small profits and I just couldn't see myself playing it for real in live casino. I may return to it in the future, who knows? Anyhow I enjoyed the experience and the process of developing and refining the rules in my search for an optimum strategy which I really believed would lead me to something special. Alas, it was not to be - at any rate on this occasion.

I propose to return to warrior's "perfect ten" system and devote some effort to that now.

Regards,
A.

[Nasio]

Is anyone still using this method or has it gone to the gambling graveyard? 

[Hermes]

Lot of sweating for 5 chips, isn't it? It is a grinder.
Hermes

[Robeenhuut]

Hi,

I'm ceasing to spend time doing any more testing on this. Seemed like a good idea so I stuck with it for a while but unfortunately I don't like the way it will regularly produce a really bad result which simply wipes out previous hard earned profits and defeats the object.. That and the fact it is a real grinder for small profits and I just couldn't see myself playing it for real in live casino. I may return to it in the future, who knows? Anyhow I enjoyed the experience and the process of developing and refining the rules in my search for an optimum strategy which I really believed would lead me to something special. Alas, it was not to be - at any rate on this occasion.

I propose to return to warrior's "perfect ten" system and devote some effort to that now.

Regards,
A.

Hello

Whats "perfect ten" system?

Regards

[GLC]

Hello

what's "perfect ten" system?

Regards

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