Pattern Hunting on Even Chances

[gizmotron2]

I didn't say I don't believe anyone is winning using your strategy, only that if they are it's not because trends work. Trends in random numbers can only be identified after the event.

Fine. The people that use trends combined with winning phases will just take the money and be sorry that they were wrong. This disagreement will never be settled by changing anyone's opinion with just words or ideas. It will take evidence. First I show how to do it. Next comes people learning it. Then comes a shocked world once they see the body of evidence.  You believe that this will never happen because it hasn't happened already. So I will wait and not be concerned about how long it takes.

I can't teach people that 3 net wins is smarter than larger amounts. I can suggest that this small amount is well inside the moving averages for even chance bets though. Self control is part of the skill. I didn't have it until I discovered these "moving average" concepts. I needed to see it visually in graphs before I got it. I know Reading Randomness instinctively, yet I struggled for years with self control. 

[SWEET]

my half cent,
Gizmotron insist that 3win, more important than others.

imho,
3wins, are STREAK of any hit, that win 3time in row,
either bbb, ppp, bpb,pbp, or any imaginable hit.

Since random must produce streak of 3win, anytime and anywhere in next 100spins, we must research, history of data,  what the least ever streak of 3hit.

Oversimplified example,
we need 100units to bet next 100spins, flatbet and parlay+1,  to win.
say, parlay winning for 3win,=
1,3,7...=14-3=11unit profit.
needs 3unit to bet

thus in 100spins and 100unit br, we need
around NINE streak3hit to profit.
But I had seen ,
"only two ,streak3hit in 100spins", that 22u profit vs 94 losses...

[SWEET]

imho,
no need to argue that random cant or can be read,
we focus on what must happen, and averages of hit, and the least ever hit.
streak of 2win, streak of 3 hit,
MUST HAPPEN,
we need to know the averages of hit, and the worst least ever hit, then build a progression mm around them

[gizmotron2]

my half cent,
Gizmotron insist that 3win, more important than others.

I'm saying that in a gambling session that 3 nets wins are the stop win point. I never say that this must be 3 in a row. If I get 13 wins with 10 losses then I get 3 net wins in 23 bets. I also say to stop when I say stop. They call them "stop points." It does not mean that we must have a progression and three in a rows. But do what you want. I can shoehorn global warming into this if that will help. If you have a hot session it is the fault of angry white male protestant reformation.

[Joe]

This disagreement will never be settled by changing anyone's opinion with just words or ideas. It will take evidence.

At least we agree on that. But if it works why would anyone be motivated to provide such evidence?

[gizmotron2]

At least we agree on that. But if it works why would anyone be motivated to provide such evidence?

I wrote an answer at the other forum that applies to this. But please don't take it personally. It is not a personal comment but rather a generalization that makes sense to me.

Also I know that a few of you are concerned about an inside set containing 19 or 20 numbers in the sets. The primary reason I'm successful is that I have figured out what "enough" means to me. If I get 3 net wins that add up to $250 to $270, then that is enough for what I need.

I know this works. I also know that greed will kill off all the table games. People will do what they always do in a gold rush. They will kill off the opportunity to take what they could practically use. I have not given you a secret that is fulfilling. I have given you a curse. Many of you call me a scammer. But what I am is retribution for calling me a scammer. This is a slow moving wake-up call. The best part is that the mathBoyz will be the last to know. Normally a math wizard would crawl over dead bodies to get academic recognition in their field. But this time the gamblers will get the accolades. There will not be a gold rush in the math world.

That should solve the mystery of the 19 or 20 numbers in some of the sets. The only scam that is going on here is that I have found a way to weaponize people's own human nature. So the only remaining grievance is my outright gall to pull a monster sized prank on the world. You messed with me so I give you you. I'm not the only one playing this game. Human nature itself is a self inflicting retribution. Just call it another adventure in a kind of a divine comedy.

Now you can start in on my arrogance. But you can also see why there's an excrement sandwich on the menu. Ha Ha. I laid all this out for years in front of you all. It's in all my writings from the get go. It will really be fascinating to see who saw all this coming and who didn't. All I did for 13 years was drop hints here and there. All I did last July was take the cover off the hints and bring everything into full light.

[Joe]

Gizmo, even you admit that it's not trends which are doing the work. On the other forum you wrote :

It's so simple. I just use trends as choices because I'm already trained to use trends. You can pre-select all your bets based on the migration of deer. You can go into a casino with 300 already decided bet selections. Then all you do is watch the effectiveness states.

So it all comes down to 'effectiveness states', apparently. Monitor several bet selections and pick the one which is doing the best. Follow it until either a loss or another BS is doing better, then jump on it. Goto step 1.

Does that sum up your method in a nutshell? Are you claiming that you win flat betting? If not, what's the progression?

[Kairomancer]

Nope. Apparently you have to monitor the best looking trends/patterns then make virtual bets and check for winnings in your chart.
If there is an upward movement on the graph, only then you can place your bets.

I believe what he means by effectivenes states is a combination of upward moving winning  trends and pattern exploitation.
I already listed all the patterns to look for in this topic.

He is using a stop loss of 7 units and a win goal of 3 units.

Here is what I do not understand. If you continue making gains in a winning streak of a pattern. Why would you exit at 3 units profit?
It could last for 15+ spins. You have very clear exit point when the pattern suddenly abrupts and take all the gains instead of just 3 units.
The 3 units win goal is only makes sense where is a hard and long grind going.

[Joe]

Nope. Apparently you have to monitor the best looking trends/patterns then make virtual bets and check for winnings in your chart.
If there is an upward movement on the graph, only then you can place your bets.

KM, but this doesn't seem to be what gizmo means, at least not going by what I quoted from him in my last post. If, for instance, you can go to a casino armed with pre-selected bet selections, you are not monitoring the outcomes themselves, but the win/loss patterns derived from them.

As an example, one of your bet selections might be the simple 'decision before last' on R/B. Suppose this is the R/B pattern :

R
B
R w
B w
R w
R L
R w
R w
B L
R w
R L
R w
B L
R w
B w
B L
B w
B w
B w

There is no stand-out pattern there in terms of R/B, but the win/loss trend is clearly up for that particular bet selection (12 wins out of 17 bets). You may be tracking a half-dozen other bet selections, but DBL is doing better than any of the others at this point, so you play it. When another bet selection is doing 'better', you switch to it.

Here is what I do not understand. If you continue making gains in a winning streak of a pattern. Why would you exit at 3 units profit?
It could last for 15+ spins. You have very clear exit point when the pattern suddenly abrupts and take all the gains instead of just 3 units.
The 3 units win goal is only makes sense where is a hard and long grind going

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I concur. It doesn't make much sense to cut short wins, only losses.

[Kairomancer]

I guess you can always try this approach.

I think the preselected list was an extreme example just to emphasize how important to track your overall win/loss trend during the virtual bet phase before you jump in to place a bet on a pattern characteristic. It could be a chop-chop, singles on the weak side, repeats and several others.

[Joe]

I think as much subjectivity should be removed from the system as possible. Ideally it should be purely mechanical.  You would need a computer based tracker, but it wouldn't be too hard to write , and you would get 3 for the price of one if you used all 3 even chances.

The problem with all trend based approaches, whether the trend is the actual pattern or the win/loss trend, is how far back to track it. 10 spins? 20? 50?

One way of doing it might be to track several spin intervals simultaneously and choose the BS based on some aggregate of the results. That way you could guage the overall trend over the largest interval and the trends at smaller intervals within it. The more recent shorter intervals could be weighted more heavily than the longer intervals so that you wouldn't spend too long chasing a trend which is starting to evaporate, or at least, reduce your stakes proportionately.

[gizmotron2]

It's so simple. I just use trends as choices because I'm already trained to use trends. You can pre-select all your bets based on the migration of deer. You can go into a casino with 300 already decided bet selections. Then all you do is watch the effectiveness states.

Gizmo, even you admit that it's not trends which are doing the work. On the other forum you wrote :

So it all comes down to 'effectiveness states', apparently. Monitor several bet selections and pick the one which is doing the best. Follow it until either a loss or another BS is doing better, then jump on it. Goto step 1.

Does that sum up your method in a nutshell? Are you claiming that you win flat betting? If not, what's the progression?

{nutshell} YES {/nutshell}

This is the very best part also. It's 14 years old. I said so from the very beginning that it is the only trend that matters. I tried to explain it. Yet, as I predicted that it would, it was completely overlooked. It was not until I put it in a case of specific instructions that it has been noticed. I now expect the gambling world to flip out and officially reject it.

I asked a guy at the side door of a casino more than 25 years ago," what is the secret to all this?" He replied "bet big when you are doing good and bet small when you aren't."  I put that together with the tactic that card counters use. They bet big when they are in an advantage state and bet small when they aren't. I'm not saying that this is an advantage state. I'm just saying that it is a condition that you can intentionally seek out and recognize.

I have tried over the years to say that playing the trends has no magical power of prediction.  This is all quit funny to me. It looks like some people are getting the message that always in front of them. There are tons of comments from the past dismissing all this. I've got the world of gamblers documenting themselves just how good they really are. One of the most basic axioms of gambling was never turned into a method.  All I did was take trends and combine them with doing good. When your are doing good then the trends are working. That's what pissed off the world. They didn't see the connection and thought I was claiming some kind of magical powers. The only magic I was using was letting them go ahead and think that. It was all hints until I forced people to make the connection starting in July this year.

[Kairomancer]

With gizmotron's method there is no need for a tracking software. He suggests to rely on visual dexterity to track and recognize the patterns to bet. I think it is all very basic and almost instant for the human eye. All you need is a pen and paper which you can use at your local casino.

To evaluate the method and run long complex simulations you will need an AI with pattern recognition.
I think it is so complex work, it would be easier just to test the method yourself. He claims he can make 100% profit / 3 flat bet win session on the long run.
It is not that hard to validate such an extraordinary claims with just statistics.

[gizmotron2]

Nope. Apparently you have to monitor the best looking trends/patterns then make virtual bets and check for winnings in your chart.
If there is an upward movement on the graph, only then you can place your bets.

I believe what he means by effectivenes states is a combination of upward moving winning  trends and pattern exploitation.
I already listed all the patterns to look for in this topic.

He is using a stop loss of 7 units and a win goal of 3 units.

Here is what I do not understand. If you continue making gains in a winning streak of a pattern. Why would you exit at 3 units profit?
It could last for 15+ spins. You have very clear exit point when the pattern suddenly abrupts and take all the gains instead of just 3 units.
The 3 units win goal is only makes sense where is a hard and long grind going.

The short answer is "moving averages" of common sessions and self control over greed.  I also have presented enough information where these stop points are meant for research into the possibility that probability-expectation beliefs have always been in error when it comes to methods like this.

[gizmotron2]

There is no stand-out pattern there in terms of R/B, but the win/loss trend is clearly up for that particular bet selection (12 wins out of 17 bets). You may be tracking a half-dozen other bet selections, but DBL is doing better than any of the others at this point, so you play it. When another bet selection is doing 'better', you switch to it.

Congratulations Joe. You are the first person in 14 years, including all the students, to see that the bet selection does not matter to this method and to illustrate it with your example. Now try to keep that a secret. I managed to get people to get pissed off about the trends while leaving the real truth right underneath their noses. You just blabbed it to the world.