Pattern Hunting on Even Chances

[gizmotron2]

I guess you can always try this approach.

I think the preselected list was an extreme example just to emphasize how important to track your overall win/loss trend during the virtual bet phase before you jump in to place a bet on a pattern characteristic. It could be a chop-chop, singles on the weak side, repeats and several others.

I just found a way to look at 6 individual data streams for conditions that are working to the positive side, at the exact  moment. That is why first real bet losses are the only losses that can kill off the method. They can't be all first bet losses. The question is, can you get three net wins before you get seven net losses. The odds alone say that you can. So the odds say that in this condition you must get 2.33 won sessions for each lost session a 7.  Now explain why people are getting 4.66 wins for each lost session, or even better than that?

[gizmotron2]

I think as much subjectivity should be removed from the system as possible. Ideally it should be purely mechanical.  You would need a computer based tracker, but it wouldn't be too hard to write , and you would get 3 for the price of one if you used all 3 even chances.

The problem with all trend based approaches, whether the trend is the actual pattern or the win/loss trend, is how far back to track it. 10 spins? 20? 50?

One way of doing it might be to track several spin intervals simultaneously and choose the BS based on some aggregate of the results. That way you could guage the overall trend over the largest interval and the trends at smaller intervals within it. The more recent shorter intervals could be weighted more heavily than the longer intervals so that you wouldn't spend too long chasing a trend which is starting to evaporate, or at least, reduce your stakes proportionately.

I suggest that you master the method, and once you are an expert at it, then write the software in that order.

[Kairomancer]

First bet losses are a common occurance and can quickly add up. This is based on my own experience with your software. Your student over there report the same thing.

When you monitor those 6 data streams, you catch a pattern characteristic based on the history of the last 5-7 spins.
You place your bet and it misses. Next you think you are on to something at another data stream, then you take a chance and place another bet.
It misses and the cycle continues till you run out of bankroll.
The worst of all when you notice that you keep winning with virtual bets then you bet for real and you lose again. Or the previous data stream you switched from becomes active again while you are losing at another one.
This is the pitfall of your system. It is often a long grind and you need luck.

[Joe]

Congratulations Joe. You are the first person in 14 years, including all the students, to see that the bet selection does not matter to this method and to illustrate it with your example.

Cool.   

[Joe]

When you monitor those 6 data streams, you catch a pattern characteristic based on the history of the last 5-7 spins.
You place your bet and it misses. Next you think you are on to something at another data stream, then you take a chance and place another bet.
It misses and the cycle continues till you run out of bankroll.

A mathematical analysis says that since each new attempt (fresh data stream) has a 50% chance of winning or losing on the first bet no matter how many times you switch, it produces the same number of consecutive wins and losses as any other bet (for instance just betting on red), therefore there is no advantage.

[Kairomancer]

I know what is the mathematical analysis. Thanks for the reminder.
Based on that there is no way to win without increasing your odds.
So what is the point in testing novel methods and exploiting trends?

[Joe]

So what is the point in testing novel methods and exploiting trends?

Evidently most forum members and system players don't believe that the maths tells the whole story.

[gizmotron2]

First bet losses are a common occurance and can quickly add up. This is based on my own experience with your software. Your student over there report the same thing.

Yes, you are learning. You learn from how this method loses. I don't feed a stream of first losses without searching for a good winning streak. I don't know how to teach that. If one thing does not work then don't keep using it. Every session is unique. Two lost first bets in a row, after a good stretch of virtual bets for each, is a signal that trouble could be ahead. This is about the results you are getting. You have the control to wait.

When you monitor those 6 data streams, you catch a pattern characteristic based on the history of the last 5-7 spins.
You place your bet and it misses. Next you think you are on to something at another data stream, then you take a chance and place another bet.

You haven't mentioned the global effect or the micro global effect. I tried to explain this there. It's important. It's so funny what is happening here. The teaching is over there but the real discussion is here. There are times when I look back 20 or more spins to see if there is a huge over all trend. So I will try to set it up this way. Anything that continues and is part of a win streak or a slow grind upward is what you try to discover. The global effect or the elegant pattern is the only time I drop the strop win point at 3 net wins. I know that I'm in a perfect strong trend that if it continues it will kill off the casino. I expect to go to maximum sized bets allowable and to continue until the situation ends.

It misses and the cycle continues till you run out of bankroll.
The worst of all when you notice that you keep winning with virtual bets then you bet for real and you lose again. Or the previous data stream you switched from becomes active again while you are losing at another one.
This is the pitfall of your system. It is often a long grind and you need luck.

So true. It's not automatic happiness just because you walked in the door of the casino. You are supposed to know if a session is easy or if it is difficult.  You need to try to take a bigger picture view. Try to look at the session as a single event. The  you can see what type of condition the session is in.

I have a drill for all of you with my software. Punch in 100 for the number of spins. Press Red to bet on the red numbers. Hit Spin. Now go to the graph and look at the session. Can you see places to win. I'll post several examples over at the teaching site for those that don't have my software.

[gizmotron2]

Cool.   

I think it is cool too. What's today's date? It's a moment to remember for me.

[gizmotron2]

A mathematical analysis says that since each new attempt (fresh data stream) has a 50% chance of winning or losing on the first bet no matter how many times you switch, it produces the same number of consecutive wins and losses as any other bet (for instance just betting on red), therefore there is no advantage.

There is no mathematical advantage on the next spin. But this same mathematics can't predict the odds for how long the next streak will last. I'm not talking about all the trends in the world for the next 10,000 years. I'm talking about the very next trend. So we have no advantage and we also have no disadvantage. So math is irrelevant to this working. People doing better than the math suggests will one day shake up everything known about expectations.

The signature at the teaching site: "My edge is a large enough number of people doing this and producing win to loss results that are demonstrably beyond the possibility of inaccuracy."

[gizmotron2]

Gizmo, even you admit that it's not trends which are doing the work. On the other forum you wrote :

It's so simple. I just use trends as choices because I'm already trained to use trends. You can pre-select all your bets based on the migration of deer. You can go into a casino with 300 already decided bet selections. Then all you do is watch the effectiveness states.

So it all comes down to 'effectiveness states', apparently. Monitor several bet selections and pick the one which is doing the best. Follow it until either a loss or another BS is doing better, then jump on it. Goto step 1.

Does that sum up your method in a nutshell? Are you claiming that you win flat betting?

This deserves repeating again.

The only progression that works is a two step progression where no bet is used against a flat bet. You bet money when you see a working opportunity and you don't bet anything when you don't see opportunity.

[Kairomancer]

Gizmo, could you describe the phenomena of global and also microglobal effect?

I also intetested in the elegant pattern if it applies to EC bets.

Could you define what do you mean by effectiveness states?

[gizmotron2]

Gizmo, could you describe the phenomena of global and also microglobal effect?

I also intetested in the elegant pattern if it applies to EC bets.

Could you define what do you mean by effectiveness states?

That's asking a lot. It's already explained at the teaching thread. If you look at my chart, created by the charting and practice software, you can see a swarm of the same type of characteristic. For this example you will use a swarm of singles on one side or singles on the weak side. Let's say that this happens in the Red/Black for 20 spins and then it starts happening for 25 more in the odd/even right as it ends in the Red /Black. Then it starts up in the Prime/Not Prime group. So it's "global" as in being across all groups, (somewhere).  Iv'e seen the longest global effect last for 4 hours. 1 to 2 hours is more common.

The micro global effect is the same kind of swarming but the occurrences are shorter, like in the above example you get just 10 spins to show off the characteristic before it moves.

The Elegant Pattern is a very rare occurrence of perfection. My first perfect pattern only lasted 35 minutes once I noticed it. So I bet the perfect sequence of the pattern and turned $60 into $3,000+ in that short time. The same dozen, the original "Primes" hit twice then not a third time and just kept doing this several times without fail. So I bet for it to win twice and not on the third interval. Then I came back for 2 more wins in a row. The payoff was 2 to 1 on a single dozen inside bets. At the end I was betting $45 straight up on 12 numbers. It was amazing. I have only seen 5 Elegant Patterns in 25 years of playing. I'm always prepared to clean up when I see one. Sometimes randomness is a diamond mine.

[Kairomancer]

Thanks Gizmo.
You do deliver a lot of value here and over there as well. I really appreciate it.

Now that you switched to playing ECs do you still track the dozens for the elegant pattern?
Does it apply to all 12 number groups, or only the group you referred as "original primes".

Your software include a stream of data set for a group of so called primes, but it is a 18 number group.

Correct me If I am wrong, the way I interpret the phenomena of effectiveness states is when coincidental patterns coalign with positive trends in the global scale of moving averages.

I believe I discovered another interesting pattern. When you see number 19 and it follows by 22 there is a strong likelyhood that the next number in the sequence will be a zero.
I hope you will live to see this as well, it is amazing.

[gizmotron2]

Correct me If I am wrong, the way I interpret the phenomena of effectiveness states is when coincidental patterns coalign with positive trends in the global scale of moving averages.

Here is an easy way to look at it. You see trends and / or patterns and you use them. When they work in the positive then it's like the trends are predicting the future. When the trends don't work then they aren't. So I just look for trends that are working. So you just lay back, hope that you don't dig a deep hole, and pounce on the trend when it works. It's a waiting game. So I amuse myself while I'm waiting. I watch the other players with their hair brained ideas or there total lack of any skills. People always want to stare at a car wreck. It's cheap entertainment. It really helps to lay back and not try to rush it. I know I will take three net wins off the casino if I just remain patient.