Fail system?

[Jointu]

Hi guys,
I've been reading the forum for almost 1.  5 months and has become a very addicted subject for me :)

I have no experience with roulette, just few dollars/euros ( around 200 ) lost and with them also days lost with virtual playing and reading. 

However, I want only to request your opinion on this:

1.  It is a dozen betting system ( okey, it could be used also for columns). 
2.  From what I've read and tested usually playing recent dozen its far more "profitable" than waiting for a sleeping dozen to awake. 
3.   From what I have seen there are small chances for a roulette to not hit in several spins a dozen twice in two consecutive spins. 
4.   The question is: how long a roulette can hit dozens whitout hitting a dozen twice in consecutive spins? We do not know certantly.   
5.   However, I played lots of virtual tests on RNG at different casinos (bwin and so on), and I've arrived at a "Conclusion":

A.   Wait for five spins in which a dozen is not hit consecutively twice- this is the trigger to bet now on last hit dozen after this 5 spins. 
B.   If zero is hit in the trigger phase than-  it doesn't count
C.   After the trigger bet on the last dozen hit, until roulette hits your dozen

D.   Progression/ Profit if Hit

1/2
2/3
3/3
5/4
8/5
12/6
17/6
27/6
40/5

E.   Basically I have 14 steps: -5 virtual losses and next 9 are with profit. 
F.   If during 9 profit steps zero is hit, we should bet on the last dozen hit


Please, contribute to my observations:
Give actual examples which will cause my  "Conclusion" to fail or improve the progression. 


Thanks'

[chrisbis]

Welcome along to the Forum Jointu. 

Have a look at this and tell me what U think.

Read it and my testing of it in Notepad section.

Cheers Chris 

[Droganson]

Welcome to the forum, Jointu. Looks extremely promising! I will be testing this as soon as time allows. I never thought of playing the dozens or the columns this way. I am quite excited to see the results!

[Jointu]

Hi chrisbis,

I've read a lot of your posts in this forum.

Also, I've read the forum in which James posted his martingale system ( 30 steps progression with a soft which frees his time from actual play and also lots of spins per minute which increases its BR in case of profit- ).  Anyway, you ( not you personally ) were tough with James.  I will look for your testing also in the notepad section.

However, my opinion is that progressions clearly overcomes roulette advantages but in the same time are very dangerous- it could smash your BR very fast- in couple of minutes.

What I want to point out is that clearly only bad luck will not give you in 14 spins a dozen hitted consecutively twice. 
Okey, we could extend the number of spins by accepting at the beginning more virtual loses (which will increase your time of playing ) or increase the progression, but in the same time this will increase the risk of money lost.

Thanks for your interest and reply.

[Jointu]

Hi Droganson,

Thanks for your interest.
Indeed, this approach looks promising until actual plays   

However, there will be lost sessions but the important thing is profit in the long run.

Also, in my opinion if you increase your BR with 20% daily its more than enough: Do not push your luck into bad luck.  :-\

[VIP]

Hello and welcome to the forum.
As you are new in roulette I will give you 1 helpfull lesson.

You said :Also, in my opinion if you increase your BR with 20% daily its more than enough: Do not push your luck into bad luck

It doesn't matter if you play HIT and RUN or if play forever...
If a system is a loser in the long run It will lose even if you will apply the Hit and Run....
If a system is a real winner it will be winning in every situation ...Hit and Run or not.

[Jointu]

Thank's mate

Good point.   

However, I think I was refering more to biased RNG casinos where they let you win in the beginning and then the "bad luck" arrives and hits you until your BR crashes.  (I think they have a profit target daily and if you are playing while there profit hasn't been reached you are in a bad position).

But in a normal and fair world your advice is very useful and correct. 

[VIP]

If this is true ,then what can stop them from making  also have a TOTAL winning target and not only a daily one?

One more advice....RNG is not roulette.

By the way I would like to say a thanx to the moderators for the beautifull avatar that they gave me.
I just noticed it.

[Jointu]

Okey, They will not take you all money from the start or all money from all users because in the long term there will be no players at that casino- " All clients will be scared and unsatisfied of the approach".

Basically I will not be tempted to play at a casino where I will lose each spin, without any winnings, even on the short term.

It's more a "marketing" thing  :)
Common sense.

RNG - true is not roulette.

Also, nice avatar :)

[chrisbis]

ROULETTE

I'm not posting this to badger bate anyone- just going to give an instant opinion.

It's a little disingenuous to say RNG is not Roulette.

If it say "Roulette" on the box, then its Roulette on the inside.

I know its been said soooo many times in this and plenty more places.

So, can we all agree this.

RNG, is..................................Software Roulette.

And end the slight arrogance of the Purists, who for all the right reasons, want to stop the beautiful game sliding into the hands of the bar code number crunchers.

I think there's room for both, with the caveate that they are separately labelled.

Or else, we'll have someone else, saying "Then why is it called Roulette on the Television", or alike.

There's several forms of Roulette.

• Bricks and Mortar, as raw and as live as one could experience it
• Bricks and Mortar Airball
• Live Television with on-line & telephone bet placement
• Live video feed- on-line viewing -Real dealers- bets placed on-line
• Airball/Slingshot- video view wheel, actual spins, no dealer, bets place on-line
• Simulated Wheels- multiple wheel designs- no dealer- RNG supplied numbers-on-line
• Fun money accounts/free/demo trials- RNG type numbers (Ur computer) on-line support

Are there any more U can List?

(If I have any wrong- please post it right for me!)

Please join the great Roulette debate.

But everyone of them, pays the same odds, the same style of play, the same chip values, same simple EC game play, or complex Flat bet table bets- all called " Roulette".

[Jointu]

Has anyone played this ?
Or it is clearly a bad idea?

1. Bet on corners - any corner with the rule below:
                      Corner should contain last number that hit.

2. Also, keep betting this corner with 1 unit until hits but with the following restriction:
                       Maxim number of bets is eight- each time one unit as bet               
If it hits during this eight bets we are in profit because we win 9 units - number of units played on this corner
              If it does not hit in this eight spins we are in loss with 9 units.

The idea is to play this on each number that hit last and hope corners hit fast

Okey, you will have lots of bets and lots of corners which many times will cross each other.

Stop when your target is reached and also set a loss benchmark.


The point is to close corners with profit.
Also, if you lose on a corner you will have profit from other corners that hit.

Basically it is my obssession on recent numbers

I've tested this and it was fine. However I was lucky.

But I doubt that nowone has done this before, so I want only confirmation that this is a fail approach in order to avoid lost time with testing.

Thanks'