Example how rigged is Playtech RNG real mode

[Carsch]

Good way forward, in my opinion anyway.

We have to remember, probably 90% of people who find this forum are online players, and probably 90% of them play RNG, so, in my opinion the future IS RNG wether we like it or not.

Nah man! The future is on-line live roulette. We don't want RNG........well, as long as we know it's not rigged.

[Bayes]

...because there are two different programs(RNGs) and they are programmed by different programmers and the programs couldn't be completely different in that case.

True, but a programmer doesn't normally write an RNG algorithm from scratch. There are only a relatively small number of pseudo-RNG algorithms (like the "Mersenne Twister") and the casino software would more than likely use a "canned" RNG ie; just use a function which calls the algorithm. Also, reputable casinos are audited and the RNG is tested to see if passes statistical tests, if it does, then it's deemed "random".

I don't know whether RNGs are the future, there are a lot more live wheels around these days than there used to be. Why would Casinos go to this trouble and expense when they could use an RNG for tuppence? surely one reason is that people don't trust RNGs and so are more likely to play on a live wheel, so casinos have to do whatever is necessary to get the punters in.

[Bayes]

In my opinion, there are a couple of reasons why people tend to believe that RNGs are rigged. Firstly, you get a lot more spins per hour than on a live wheel, which means you're much more likely to see "rare" sequences and patterns. At a B&M casino you may only get 30 spins an hour, at an OC you can get 300 (or more). The probability of 10 reds in a row is exactly the same, but because of the faster "turnover", you could get the impression that it's ten times more likely at an OC than at a B&M.

The other thing which might contribute to the feeling of being ripped off is that usually you're playing alone at an OC.  If you can see other players winning you're less likely to jump to the conclusion that the Casino is rigged.

[Carsch]

In my opinion, there are a couple of reasons why people tend to believe that RNGs are rigged.

It's not just RNG, it's the casino. I would think it's because people have been cheated, but also because you can't just trust some casino out there on the net (and many aren't regulated) not really knowing what is going on behind the doors. It's like trusting a stranger you know nothing about with your money. Unless people come forward and tell about their experiences with such and such online casino, then that might help.

Other than that, i'd use RNG as long as I know that the casino where i'm playing can be trusted.

[Bayes]

Yes, but it's surprising how many people believe that ALL online casinos are rigged, period. Even big name reputable licensed ones.

[iggiv]

Yes, but it's surprising how many people believe that ALL online casinos are rigged, period. Even big name reputable licensed ones.

i never said all. i say playtech software. Playtech casinos maybe not rigged, but software is.
I have no complains so far about playtech live wheel. about BV RNG as well

[Lulloz]

I think Playtech RNG is an hard one to "understand" if you have not played previously, but i don't think is cheating, it's only different.

If the software don't allow to win why i win on a regular basis ?

I play only at BV and Playtech RNG and is completely different for sure.

[iggiv]

u know what i thought...maybe i have been real SUBJECTIVE on this. maybe it is matter of luck. because now i recall that in couple of playtech casinos i did win and withdrew successfully.
though overall i lost much more. Well, i could be wrong. I am just human. I have my doubts.

[Lulloz]

U know what I thought...maybe I have been real SUBJECTIVE on this. maybe it is matter of luck. because now I recall that in couple of playtech casinos I did win and withdrew successfully.
though overall I lost much more. Well, I could be wrong. I am just human. I have my doubts.

No Iggi, you are right

Is good to have a dubt and some playtech casinos are cheating for sure but, for William Hill, Eurogrand and some others i think i can trust on them.

Is only my personal opinion and i can be wrong

[Carsch]

Lulloz, do you use progressions when playing at BV? and use units bigger than $5?

[LeoLeo11]

...one of the answers maybe is Flash version. There is difference between flash and download versions!
Download version is much heavy(hard) to win, even on BV than flash(browser) version, especially
playing with high chips(1$ and more).

It's like the other games levels of hardness!

The key to BV is playing with small chip and small progression on the both versions(download & flash), I'm sure for that, personally!

[Lulloz]

Lulloz, do you use progressions when playing at BV? and use units bigger than $5?

I use near flat bet and at max 1,5 euro single stake for every number.

Use 5 euro is dangerous for me

[Carsch]

The key to BV is playing with small chip and small progression on the both versions(download & flash), I'm sure for that, personally!

Alright, this is what i wanted to know. So, they will interfere with your game if you place large bets? That sucks. I wonder if anyone else has experienced this with BV.

[Bayes]

And where is the evidence that they interfere with your game? it's a purely subjective interpretation.

You can get any number of "testimonials" either for or against cheating, but without hard figures and stats it means nothing.

Confirmation bias: if you don't trust RNGs you'll ignore the positive testimonials and believe the negative ones, and that's not an objective assessment.

[chrisbis]

And where is the evidence that they interfere with your game? it's a purely subjective interpretation.

You can get any number of "testimonials" either for or against cheating, but without hard figures and stats it means nothing.

Confirmation bias: if you don't trust RNGs you'll ignore the positive testimonials and believe the negative ones, and that's not an objective assessment.

Good assessment Jules. 

I'm on the fence with it. In other words-
not enough absolute information to say definitively either way.