The Eggleston Betting System

[Tomla021]

i thought you where using it on the dozens and columns? im still not clear on it yet could you give an egz on another bet selection?
thanks

[warrior]

I thought you where using it on the dozens and columns? I'm still not clear on it yet could you give an egz on another bet selection?
thanks

i think he means 1 dozen at a time.

[marivo]

This play very well on BetVoyager no-zero roulette!

[Colbster]

After finally getting a BV account open (which is not easy for us US players), I am playing real-money on the No-zero table as well.  It is playing exceptionally well.   

[Tomla021]

excellent---

[olinet]

 colbster

thanks for your important contribution

and do you think it can win in long term on flat betting?

[Colbster]

The system has a positive expectation on a fair wheel in the long term.  As mentioned in a couple posts above, this system can be hurt fairly quickly in the short term by chops (1-3-1-3-1-3-1).  In individual sessions, you will find yourself down quickly 10-20 units after a bad little stretch if flat betting.

Let me hedge my bet here:  The betting system will absolutely be positive, my bet selection (which I grabbed out of thin air for the sake of demonstration purposes and have just never gotten around to improving on) may not be the optimum method to apply the system.

[marivo]

BetVoyager no-zero table: playtime: 1h, 24 min., 567 spins, deepest progression 16 units (betting 2 columns = 32 units), result +154 units (bankrole 150 units).

[Colbster]

That is a great result, marivo!  Your results are consistent with my averages of about 50 units in between 100-200 spins.  I always take a break after that point, because 567 spins is quite a grind.  But doubling your money in 1 1/2 hours seems like a pretty good way to do it!!

[GLC]

Been reading this topic with interest.

I have some questions that are giving me many sleepless nights.

It appears that what you are recommending is to bet on 2 dozens.  If you win on the dozen that didn't hit last or lose to the dozen not bet you stop and wait for a new trigger to bet 2 dozens.  If you win because the last dozen repeated, then you continue to bet on the same 2 dozens until you finally lose.

You went through some math to show us that this method overcomes the house advantage.  It seems to me that as far as your formula goes, if you bet 2 dozens and win, how does the formula know whether that was the last dozen repeating or the other dozen?  It seems to me that if either of the dozens hits, we should be able to continue betting the same 2 dozens until a loss occurs.  If neither of the two dozens hits, we stop and wait for our next trigger to bet on 2 dozens.

I don't see why stopping after the dozen that isn't a repeat hits changes things so that we overcome the house advantage.

What if we said that if the dozen that isn't a repeat wins we continue betting the 2 dozens until a loss, but if the dozen hits that is a repeat we stop and wait for a new trigger.  The formula is the same.

Where am I misunderstanding what's going on?

George

[Colbster]

I have had several suggest continuing betting no matter which of the two winning dozens hits.  To me, that is a static bet that ultimately loses to the law of averages and the house advantage (if you aren't playing BV no-zero table).  My stopping is based on statistical evidence that doubles are about 3 times as likely as triples which are about 3 times as likely as quads to hit.  In the long run, that means you will win an additional unit 1 time, but lose 2 units on the 3rd spin twice.  Assuming spins are random, you have even chances of a non-repeater being a win or a loss.  50%(+1) + 50%(-2) is a losing proposition.  Short term it might work, long term it falls back to being just another system like so many others we have all tried.

Hope that helps clarify my thinking process.  I may very well be wrong, but the system is working so well for me, I am not in any hurry to reinvent the wheel.

[F_LAT_INO]

George mate,
As Colbster pointed it only loses on a 1313131313basis,and as you
can note from my attachement/we study this approach on many variations/
but as all methods it fails on 100000-10000000 spin tests,therefore it should
be play on short time sessions,150-200 spins and could be winner for a life
session.

[Colbster]

I agree with F_LAT_INO's spin recommendation.  I find that, using my progression method instead of flat betting, I reach my win target of +50 by about 150 or so spins in most cases.  At very least, that gives you time to work up to some higher bet levels and work out of holes you might start out in for a break-even session that comes inevitably as well.

[GLC]

Okay Colbster,

I have been giving this baby a test drive.  Pretty decent results.
I'm playing my Universal Principle, Almost method for the dozen selections
link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/universal-principle-almost/

I play the 2 dozens and if I win on the doz that didn't hit last time, I stop and re-track.  If I win on the doz that hit last time, I continue to bet until the repeating stops.  Then I re-track for a new bet.  If neither dozen hits, I re-track for a new bet.

If my trigger to bet is 2-1-2, then I bet the 2 and since the 1 is to the left of the 2, if play my left bet progression and if my trigger is 2-3-3, then I bet the 3 and my left progression.  If my trigger is 1-2-1, then I bet the 1 and the 2 is to the right, so I bet from my right line.

This seems to be working right on expected win ratio,  45 units in about 150 spins.  Playing Betvoyager single zero wheel.

George

[Colbster]

I admit that I haven't read your bet selection system yet (give me 5 minutes and I will  ), but this should work with any method that gives you left or right triggers.  Glad it is working for you!