WBG groups

Kattila · Jul 20, 11:39 AM 2010

Test 36 ( 1A, flat bet the last to repeat)

With wait 3-5 spins after 3 L s

Numbers from Chovek69

25 b
36 a
7 b
22 a
23 b bet
12 c l1 -12
28 b l2 -24
28 b w 0
15 a l1 -12
33 c l2 -24
30 a l3 -36 wait
34 c
13 c
29 b
15 a bet
31 a w -12
30 a w +12
27 c l1 0
30 a l2 -12
0 l3 -24 wait
13 c
32 a
20 c
10 b bet
18 b w 0
28 b w +24
30 a l1 +12
21 b l2 0
18 b w +24
0 l1 wait
11 a
19 a
3 c
23 b bet
9 a l1 +12
20 c l2 0
5 b l3 -12 wait
18 b
6 c
8 a
17 b bet
33 c l1 -24
1 c w 0
32 a l1 -12
33 c l2 -24
16 c w 0
20 c w +24
4 a l1 +12
7 b l2 0
17 b w +24
33 c l1 +12
31 a l2 0
12 c l3 -12 wait
10 b
31 a
33 c
21 b bet
4 a l1 -24
13 c l2 -36
13 c w -12
31 a l1 -24
34 c l2 -36
17 b l3 -48 wait
26 c
30 a
31 a
9 a bet
9 a w -24
14 a w 0
15 a w +24
26 c l1 +12
23 b l2 0
5 b w +24
13 c l1 +12
17 b l2 0
9 a l3 -12 wait
28 b
13 c
29 b
32 a bet
14 a w +12
10 b l1 0
7 b w +24
25 b w +48
9 a l1 +36
4 a w +60
18 b l1 +48
9 a l2 +36
8 a w +60
11 a w +84
18 b l1 +72
17 b w +96
2 b w +120
36 a l1 +108
30 a w +132 95 spins

End test 36

95 spins = +132 win

max. down -48
max. up +132

VLS · Jul 20, 01:42 PM 2010

I just wanted to pass by here to say THANK YOU Kattila for keeping the forum on the productive side.

It is noticed and appreciated.

Many thanks!

Kattila · Jul 20, 02:20 PM 2010

And I thanks to you Victor for this nice and good place to debate
roulette methods and systems.

gracias amigo

VLS · Jul 20, 03:53 PM 2010

I wish for more Kattilas and less Wendels...

Kindly continue debating your WBG system in peace.

ewarwoowar · Jul 20, 04:43 PM 2010

some more tests using dublinbet actuals. method as at 1A stopping at 3 losses, waiting for virtual win trigger.

session 1:
41 spins
end profit -144 units - stop loss
max up 24 units

session 2:
129 spins
end profit +96 units
max down 96 units

session 3:
47 spins
end profit +120 units
max down n/a

session 4:
89 spins
end profit -144 units - stop loss
max up 48 units

session 5:
138 spins
end profit +24 units
max down -48 units
max up 132 units at spin 31

i might try this another way now. not just blindly testing spins, but playing as you would in a casino and protecting profit.
maybe a lower stop loss and also a lower win target. most session do show profit at some point before they lose.

buffalowizard · Jul 20, 05:11 PM 2010

Personally I would be happy with stopping at +24 - this is a decent amount if it is winning daily, and of course, the unit amount would be different for everybody.

Nearly every test that I've seen so far has reached this mark.

I would set a stop/loss of -72, leaving you 4 games to catch up on your profits, which going by this testing, shouldn't be too much trouble.

I know its difficult when many sessions end up 100+, but it could be a long run winner and save the big drops

cheers

BW

Mikeo · Jul 20, 09:46 PM 2010

Kattila,

I've noticed this thread showing great results in your tests.

Using RX I have tested Wiesbaden spins from July 1 to 15, table 8. There was no particular reason to choose table 8.

In this post, I'll show the spins from the first session, so that you can see it is being played properly.

Then, in a following post, I'll post the results of all 15 sessions. It will be the bankroll graph, which also shows high, low, and spins.

I think the graphs may be more useful than just results. You may notice something you wouldn't easily see with just numbers.

Although it's probably more than you need, each session will show approx. 200 spins, if that many are available.

I must warn you that the results are not as good as your testing. They are more like ewarwoowar's.

Here is the spin result from the first test. The rule is wait for 4 spins, to begin, after 3 losses, and after a zero.

[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal. ,Bet Layout
1,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,0,
2,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,0,
3,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,0,
4,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,0,
5,13,Bet,12,36,-12,24,24,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
6,35,Bet,12,36,-12,24,48,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
7,18,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,36,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
8,24,Bet,12,36,-12,24,60,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
9,16,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,48,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
10,24,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,36,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
11,36,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,24,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
12,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,24,
13,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,24,
14,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,24,
15,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,24,
16,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,24,
17,28,Bet,12,36,-12,24,48,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
18,35,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,36,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
19,26,Bet,12,36,-12,24,60,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
20,17,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,48,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
21,34,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,36,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
22,10,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,24,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
23,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,24,
24,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,24,
25,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,24,
26,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,24,
27,6,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,12,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
28,5,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,0,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
29,5,Bet,12,36,-12,24,24,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
30,11,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,12,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
31,23,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,0,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
32,29,Bet,12,36,-12,24,24,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
33,27,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,12,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
34,18,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,0,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
35,23,Bet,12,36,-12,24,24,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
36,32,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,12,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
37,33,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,0,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
38,12,Bet,12,36,-12,24,24,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
39,33,Bet,12,36,-12,24,48,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
40,9,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,36,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
41,29,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,24,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
42,5,Bet,12,36,-12,24,48,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
43,25,Bet,12,36,-12,24,72,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
44,9,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,60,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
45,13,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,48,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
46,7,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,36,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
47,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,36,
48,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,36,
49,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,36,
50,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,36,
51,11,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,24,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
52,3,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,12,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
53,1,Bet,12,36,-12,24,36,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
54,14,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,24,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
55,33,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,12,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
56,6,Bet,12,36,-12,24,36,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
57,19,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,24,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
58,26,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,12,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
59,12,Bet,12,36,-12,24,36,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
60,5,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,24,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
61,6,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,12,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
62,30,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,0,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
63,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,0,
64,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,0,
65,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,0,
66,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,0,
67,0,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,-12,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
68,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,-12,
69,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,-12,
70,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,-12,
71,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,-12,
72,2,Bet,12,36,-12,24,12,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
73,21,Bet,12,36,-12,24,36,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
74,0,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,24,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
75,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,24,
76,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,24,
77,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,24,
78,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,24,
79,11,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,12,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
80,8,Bet,12,36,-12,24,36,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
81,15,Bet,12,36,-12,24,60,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
82,22,Bet,12,36,-12,24,84,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
83,36,Bet,12,36,-12,24,108,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
84,8,Bet,12,36,-12,24,132,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
85,0,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,120,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
86,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,120,
87,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,120,
88,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,120,
89,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,120,
90,27,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,108,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
91,22,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,96,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
92,25,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,84,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
93,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,84,
94,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,84,
95,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,84,
96,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,84,
97,36,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,72,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
98,31,Bet,12,36,-12,24,96,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
99,7,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,84,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
100,6,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,72,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
101,6,Bet,12,36,-12,24,96,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
102,0,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,84,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
103,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,84,
104,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,84,
105,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,84,
106,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,84,
107,14,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,72,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
108,13,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,60,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
109,16,Bet,12,36,-12,24,84,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
110,27,Bet,12,36,-12,24,108,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
111,8,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,96,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
112,22,Bet,12,36,-12,24,120,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
113,1,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,108,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
114,36,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,96,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
115,30,Bet,12,36,-12,24,120,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
116,30,Bet,12,36,-12,24,144,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
117,35,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,132,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
118,6,Bet,12,36,-12,24,156,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
119,25,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,144,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
120,29,Bet,12,36,-12,24,168,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
121,14,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,156,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
122,22,Bet,12,36,-12,24,180,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
123,25,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,168,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
124,22,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,156,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
125,3,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,144,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
126,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,144,
127,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,144,
128,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,144,
129,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,144,
130,20,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,132,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
131,28,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,120,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
132,3,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,108,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
133,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,108,
134,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,108,
135,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,108,
136,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,108,
137,17,Bet,12,36,-12,24,132,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
138,4,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,120,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
139,28,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,108,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
140,35,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,96,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
141,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,96,
142,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,96,
143,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,96,
144,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,96,
145,18,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,84,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
146,26,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,72,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
147,32,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,60,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
148,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,60,
149,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,60,
150,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,60,
151,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,60,
152,28,Bet,12,36,-12,24,84,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
153,24,Bet,12,36,-12,24,108,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
154,6,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,96,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
155,16,Bet,12,36,-12,24,120,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
156,1,Bet,12,36,-12,24,144,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
157,9,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,132,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
158,25,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,120,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
159,5,Bet,12,36,-12,24,144,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
160,21,Bet,12,36,-12,24,168,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
161,26,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,156,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
162,5,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,144,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
163,12,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,132,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
164,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,132,
165,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,132,
166,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,132,
167,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,132,
168,3,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,120,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
169,10,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,108,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
170,30,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,96,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
171,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,96,
172,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,96,
173,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,96,
174,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,96,
175,33,Bet,12,36,-12,24,120,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
176,27,Bet,12,36,-12,24,144,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
177,0,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,132,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
178,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,132,
179,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,132,
180,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,132,
181,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,132,
182,2,Bet,12,36,-12,24,156,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
183,29,Bet,12,36,-12,24,180,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
184,32,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,168,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
185,14,Bet,12,36,-12,24,192,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
186,17,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,180,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
187,26,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,168,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
188,2,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,156,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
189,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,156,
190,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,156,
191,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,156,
192,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,156,
193,21,Bet,12,36,-12,24,180,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
194,7,Bet,12,36,-12,24,204,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
195,30,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,192,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
196,36,Bet,12,36,-12,24,216,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
197,32,Bet,12,36,-12,24,240,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
198,28,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,228,1 : 4,8,9,11,14,15,19,22,30,31,32,36
199,16,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,216,1 : 2,5,7,10,17,18,21,23,24,25,28,29
200,10,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,204,1 : 1,3,6,12,13,16,20,26,27,33,34,35
201,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,204,
202,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,204,
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Mikeo · Jul 20, 11:30 PM 2010

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Mikeo · Jul 20, 11:47 PM 2010

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Kattila · Jul 21, 05:43 AM 2010

First, Thanks Mikeo for your effort to help us.

remember:
- this is only testing, when play for real , and lost a session (-120), we take
a break that day, or play later, so we not play right after the loss(-120)
-a session can be between 30 spins until approx. 200 spins( even more),
depending if we reached or not our goal (each one can have your goal)
-remember stopp loss at -120 ( each one can have your stop loss).

Your sessions:

1. +240 at spin 197, max. down -12
2. -120 STOP LOSS, max. up +24
3. -120 stop loss , max. up not
4. +144 at spin 36 , max. down -60
5. -120 stop loss , max. up +84
6. +120 at spin 92 , max. down -120 but at spin 204
7. -120 stop loss , max. up +60
8. -120 stop loss , max. up +72
9. -120 stop loss , max. up not
10. +276 at spin 193, max. down -84
11. -120 stop loss , max. up +48
12. +216 at spin 178, max. down -60
13. +204 at spin 79 , max. down -96
14. -120 stop loss , max. up +72
15. -120 stop loss , max. up +60

Approx. results: not so bad Mikeo

-1080 lost , at stop loss -120
+1200 win , or less , this depends by the winning goal

The most important is the Human Decision , to decide when
is the moment to stop loss or stop win, when we play for real.
Most of the time we have to play virtual, than when belive we
have a opportunity start to play for real, but the true is we never
know what is next , bad or good session.
Sometimes in only 30-50 spins we are at +250,
and sometimes in only 40-70 spins we are at -120.

But,
Example, if we reached +120 , or +144 we can try to win more( +204 or 252),
but if we see is going down , we can stop than at +108, +96 , right ?
This is human decision !
Or if we are at -72 ( or before) stop and play virtual, wait because the
winning streak seems to come together.

Keep testing guys, maybe we find a good trigger, the right moment
to enter or exit the game.

good luck

Mikeo · Jul 21, 08:03 PM 2010

Thanks Kattila,

In creating the graphs, I couldn't help but notice the upward and downward swings in the bankroll balance. The graphs look very similar to stock charts.

If there were a way to predict these movements, it would prove beneficial.

Michael

keel44 · Jul 22, 12:18 AM 2010

I say play virtual until you get -100. Then start playing for real. You just might get an upswing. If you miss out on wins--painful--yes. But at least you didn't lose.

Just a thought

KEEL

Kattila · Jul 22, 04:42 AM 2010

Here is the complete method

See Groups( A, B, C) each
individual group have 3 groups/ 4 numbers at the same distance.
There are others 3 sets of groups A,B,C, at the same distance like the
groups i have posted. What is really matter is the distance, not the numbers.

You allready know the First Group ( A,B,C)
In this case the 0 is out.

European wheel

A. 32,15,19,4/36,11,30,8/14,31,9,22
B. 21,2,25,17/23,10,5,24/ 18,29,7,28
C. 34,6,27,13/16,33,1,20/12,35,3,2

Second Groups
The number 32 is out( the 32 is the 0 in this case)

A. 15,19,4,21/11,30,8,23/31,9,22,18
B. 2,25,17,34/10,5,24,16/29,7,28,12
C. 6,27,13,36/33,1,20,14/35,3,26,0

Third Groups(number 15 out = 0)

A. 19,4,21,2/30,8,23,10/9,22,18,29
B. 25,17,34,6/5,24,16,33/7,28,12,35
C. 27,13,36,11/1,20,14,31/3,26,0,32

Fourth groups (number 19 out = 0)

A. 4,21,2,25/8,23,10,5/22,18,29,7
B. 17,34,6,27/24,16,33,1/28,12,35,3
C. 13,36,11,30/20,14,31,9/26,0,32,15

We have to track all this together, than bet on the one
which have the more virtual losses.But if can , have to
keep track all groups.

The trigger will be something like this:
Long bad run than bet at AA or BB or CC
abcbcbbacabccabcacbccabacbaabcaa...bet now, so groups where don t appear
EX: aaabbcccaabbbbbbaccbcbbbbaaa
or bbccaabcccaabccccbaccc etc.........

I have attached an excel file, for a better track (for all the four sets of groups)

Example :

NR / Group 1 Group 2 Group 3 Group 4

24 b b b b
5 b b b a
1 c c c b
2 b b a a
6 c c b b
24 b b b b
30 a a a c
35 c c b b
17 b b b b
35 c c b b
15 a a 0 c
24 b b b b
2 b b a a
10 b b a a
9 a a a c
3 c c c b
17 b b b b
23 b a a a
3 c c c b
3 c c c b
0 0 c c c
28 b b b b
11 a a c c
7 b b b a
30 a a a c
26 c c c c
8 a a a a

This is a bad run for all groups (only groups 3 looks better)
Keep tracking until remain one than bet.
If remain two , choose one and start to bet.

We have more chances to win now, because we
have more sets of groups from where to choose. Agree or not ?

good luck

Kattila · Jul 23, 05:50 AM 2010

I will open a new topic in Roulette and Gambling Framework
trying to track all four groups together and try to find good triggers

This method stay as the original with the first group only.
Was tested by Kattila, Ewarwoowar and Mikeo , around 9000 spins,
and still UP+ , flat bet. Yes there is bad sessions too, it is normal,
but we find more good sessions than bad ones.
When play for real, I recommand play virtual until -72 (or -96).

The method tested:

12 numbers/3 groups , numbers 0 is out

European wheel

A. 32,15,19,4/36,11,30,8/14,31,9,22
B. 21,2,25,17/23,10,5,24/ 18,29,7,28
C. 34,6,27,13/16,33,1,20/12,35,3,26

American wheel

A.   28,9,30,11,15,3,24,36,19,31,18,6
B.   11,7,20,32,13,1,27,10,21,33,16,4
C.   17,5,22,34,25,29,12,8,23,35,14,2

This groups tend to go in series like AABBBACCBBBAACCBCCCCCCBAABBBBB
most of the time (not allways), but enough to win more than loss.
Because of the distance between numbers and groups.

How to play, and rules :

Bet only flat bet 3 times (1,1,1), 1 euro/$ per number , 12 numbers ( one group)
Also can start from 0,20 per number, or 0,50.
Way 1.
After 3 LLL wait 3-5 spins , than bet again.
Bet the last group to repeat.

Way 2.
First wait trigger AA or BB or CC, than start to bet the last group spun.
Allways bet the last group, so bet the last group to repeat.
After three losses L1, L2, L3 , wait the new trigger AA or BB or CC, than bet
the last group to repeat

When appear 0 stop game , and wait new trigger.
stop-loss at -120 euro /$, my personal stop-loss, you can change it.
Stop win when you reached your target ( +72, or +120, or even +300 or more)
You will find some freaky sessions , like -84 , -96, or even -120 ( stop-loss, lost session)
but will win more sessions than loss.
When play for real, I recommand play virtual until -72 (or -96), than bet.

I will keep testing when I have the time.

Cheers.

ewarwoowar · Jul 23, 03:21 PM 2010

not had much time to devote to this, this week. i'll look at it again over the weekend and post more results.

cheers.

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