The Holy Grail! (For Red/Black)

[F_LAT_INO]

Negative Alembert of Fibonacci will not do it, they are to weak if a few times in row come 4 losses. I play 1-2-4 (Leveller) separately on Black / Red and then 4 units until breakeven or better total. Never lost a session. If one is losing the other is winning.
Hermes

Congratulations Hermes,
I knew it all the time/that's why I sort of been forcing it on my mate Compas/2-nd column/----and now for all --playing it separately/tested 9000 spins,3x100--not even one lost session----
try it and find out.-----Congratulation Compa mate----Didn't I told you 2 years ago when we started this---that I'm smelling money here.............Iboba

[F_LAT_INO]

And forgot to say---have tested all these 9000 spins with all kind of
progression---and the one that Compa suggested is most effective-with no risk involved.WHY??
He is going for a win of 1 unit straight on the first bet---2nd bet egal-3th.bet egal
4-th. bet lose 1 unit.Now approximately you have 7-10 wins in Ã,¸100 spins in the first attempt---and 1-2 win in the 4th.attempt,where you lose 1 unit,50-70% are wins in 2-3th attempt
and if you have approximatelly one lose of 1-1-2-3-which is 7 units-you are always in the Porche driving seat.Tested and find out......................Iboba

[Fripper]

Hermes is the expert on the leveller but the way I understand it you bet 1-2-4 and if you lose these 3 bets you continue to bet 4 each time until you are ahead then start over at 1.

What fripper is explaining is the 2up 2down bet method.  A little different than the leveller.

G

So you are saying that even if we win on 1 we bet 2 next time? Otherwise I explained it right.

I don't even know what 2up 2down bet method is.

Fripper

[warrior]

And forgot to say---have tested all these 9000 spins with all kind of
progression---and the one that Compa suggested is most effective-with no risk involved.WHY??
He is going for a win of 1 unit straight on the first bet---2nd bet egal-3th.bet egal
4-the. bet lose 1 unit.Now approximately you have 7-10 wins in ¸100 spins in the first attempt---and 1-2 win in the 4th.attempt,where you lose 1 unit,50-70% are wins in 2-3th attempt
and if you have approximatelly one lose of 1-1-2-3-which is 7 units-you are always in the Porche driving seat.Tested and find out......................Iboba

IBOBA that's YOU I was wondering where you went,can you show us how you would play ? and do you use the reds in the second colum as a trigger fore red? and are you usindg two seperate banks for the2nd and the 3rd colum  ? thanks warrior.

[F_LAT_INO]

IBOBA that's YOU I was wondering where you went,can you show us how you would play ? and do you use the reds in the second colum as a trigger fore red? and are you usindg two seperate banks for the2nd and the 3rd colum  ? thanks warrior.

Warrior,
Been here all the time/F_lat_ino---but had to disclousure myself cause almost get
kicked by my mate Compa/lol/for mentioning 2-nd.column.
You bet exactly as Compa explained---blacks in the third column as a triggers for blacks,---reds in the second column for the triggers for reds---reds in the third column for the triggers for reds,and blacks in the second columns as a triggers for blacks.Play it both at the same time---
as Hermes pointed-if one side is having bad run,the other is making up for it.No progression,
unles you thought of somrthing special/as Compa suggested,1-1-2-3----Do some tests and
you will see.

[GLC]

So you are saying that even if we win on 1 we bet 2 next time? Otherwise I explained it right.

I don't even know what 2up 2down bet method is.

Fripper

Sorry Fripper, I did kind of skim over how to play the leveler bet method.  

You bet 1 unit as long as you are winning.  When you lose a 1 unit bet, you bet 2 units.  If you win at 2 units, you start over with your 1 unit bet because you will be ahead 1 unit.  If you lose the 2 unit bet, your next bet is 4 units.  If you win the 4 unit bet you will be ahead 1 unit so start over at 1 unit bet.  If you lose the 4 unit bet you bet again 4 units.  You continue to bet 4 units until you are even or ahead of your previous high bankroll amount.  You never bet more than 4 units.

Since most of your wins will be in the 1st 3 bets, you will not have to go into the 4 unit flat bet recovery mode that often.  Although, be warned if you are on a losing trend you can go pretty deep in the hole, but with a good bet selection, you should eventually pull back up to even.

All betting methods can lose if they come up against a terrible win/loss ratio.

Being less patient than Hermes, I prefer to use the 1-2-4-8 leveler method.  It takes a larger bank, but the wins come a little faster.

Hermes, correct anything that I have said wrong in the above explanation, please.

George

P.S.  Fripper, I just looked at your post again and it looks like you're explaining how to bet the leveler for a double dozen or column bet.  The one I explained is for a single even chance bet.

[GLC]

Fripper my friend,

The 2up/2down bet method is as follows.

Start by betting 1unit.  Continue to bet 1 unit until you lose 2 times in a row.  Then bet 2 units.  Continue to bet 2 units until you either lose 2 in a row or win 2 in a row.  If you win 2 in a row, drop back to betting 1 unit.  If you lose 2 in a row, increase to 3 units.  Bet 3 units until you either win 2 in a row or lose 2 in a row etc...

This is a variation of the +1 when you lose -1 when you win bet method.  2up/2down is a lot safer since you don't move as quickly up and down the scale.

Of course, you can go to 3up/3down or more if you like.  Whatever suits your personality.

I like to play up 2 down 1 when I have a good bank.  That is, when I lose I increase my bet by 2 units and when I win I decrease my bet by only 1 unit.  I start over at 1 unit anytime I am at +1 net for that series.

They all have their good times and their bad times.  If you're winning less than 30% of your bets on the EC's, ain't nothing going to make you a winner.  Either take a break or hope you can ride out the downturn until it swings back your way.

Hope this helps,

George

[F_LAT_INO]

Sorry Fripper, I did kind of skim over how to play the leveler bet method.  

You bet 1 unit as long as you are winning.  When you lose a 1 unit bet, you bet 2 units.  If you win at 2 units, you start over with your 1 unit bet because you will be ahead 1 unit.  If you lose the 2 unit bet, your next bet is 4 units.  If you win the 4 unit bet you will be ahead 1 unit so start over at 1 unit bet.  If you lose the 4 unit bet you bet again 4 units.  You continue to bet 4 units until you are even or ahead of your previous high bankroll amount.  You never bet more than 4 units.

Since most of your wins will be in the 1st 3 bets, you will not have to go into the 4 unit flat bet recovery mode that often.  Although, be warned if you are on a losing trend you can go pretty deep in the hole, but with a good bet selection, you should eventually pull back up to even.

All betting methods can lose if they come up against a terrible win/loss ratio.

Being less patient than Hermes, I prefer to use the 1-2-4-8 leveler method.  It takes a larger bank, but the wins come a little faster.

Hermes, correct anything that I have said wrong in the above explanation, please.

George

George,
The standard leveling is that we experienced in the second version of my bet.

[Compa]

Congratulations Hermes,
I knew it all the time/that's why I sort of been forcing it on my mate Compas/2-nd column/----and now for all --playing it separately/tested 9000 spins,3x100--not even one lost session----
try it and find out.-----Congratulation Compa mate----Didn't I told you 2 years ago when we started this---that I'm smelling money here.............Iboba

yes Sir!  it was all clear ! LOL

[Compa]

Message to You all Posters!

If im not Present (how do we know ,,lol,) No worries. Just post your issues and either myself or IBOBA will give You the replys. He knows Exactly what its about;)

Cheers!

[Wally Gator]

Compa/Iboba,

Please review my spreadsheet.  I played it as stated with the original post, but I don't see how it wins.  Obviously I'm missing something.  There are 800 spins there, all consecutive, so it should be winning, but it's not.

Thanks, Wally

[GLC]

Not a bad idea, George. Please keep us informed of your progress on this variation. Thanks.

A.

A.

Just ran through the spins from Wiesbaden 04-04-2010.

348 spins
73 bets <---- This could be the downfall.  A lot of waiting for a trigger to hit.
39 Wins
34 Losses <---- The win/loss ratio still looking pretty good
The longest run of losses was 6 in a row.

So far, which isn't very far with only about 1150 spins and 214 bets placed, there are enough wins 110 to losses 104, that if this were the consistent pattern, any betting method would work; even flatbetting (they would have to be pretty large units to justify the time involved).  I'm still waiting for the losing series which is bound to happen sooner or later.

I'll do some more testing later.  I've been pretty busy with work lately.

It's really easy to test since all I do is scan through spins until I find a trigger and check to see if the next spin is a win or loss.  After a while, I may go back and try a few betting senarios to see if one works better than another.

George

Here's an update.  Not looking too good.

2,210 spins
414 bets placed
198 wins <=== that's 47.8% win rate
216 losses <=== that's 52.2% loss rate

Looks like it's pretty close to normal win/loss ratio for random.

Maybe betting more than once per trigger will improve the hit ratio, but then it voids the reasoning behind the bet selection.  I know that 2200 spins is miniscule in the overall scheme of things.  I'll  run it through another 1000 or so and if it doesn't turn around, I'll drop it unless someone can come up with a good reason to continue testing.

G.

[F_LAT_INO]

Wally G.& George,

Iwill explain only first part of W.G. /7 ZEROS IN 45 SPINS--LOL/

            COL-2-SIDE                           COL-3 SIDE

7-             NBNS/no bet next spin            same
17-           bet black next spin                  cappuccino time
10-           WON-ATTEMPT 1                      SAME
29-           bet black next spin                  order one more cappuccino
29-           WON-ATTEMPT 1                      SAME
8-             bet black next spin                  don't drink no more,you might get poisoned
0-             lost only half                            lucky you still dreaming
35-           WON ATTEMPT 2                      ORDER A BEER NOW
17-           bet black next spin                  but don't get drunk
28-           WON ATTEMPT 1                      must be patient
0-             no bet mode                            same
36-           now you have a drink              bet red next spin
1-             take some ice                          WON ATTEMPT 1
10-           RELAX                                      YOU TOO
36-           you deserve a rest                  bet red next spin
7-             talk some to the girls              WON ATTEMPT 1
28-           don't fall a sleep                     other side still in front-wake up
9-             slow but sure                          bet red next spin
30-                                                          Won attempt 1
6-                                                            bet black next spin
13                                                           Won attempt 1
28-
0-
15-                                                          bet black next spin
25-                                                          LOS-
17-            bet black next spin                WON ATTEMPT 2
0-              LOS HALF                               NO BET NEXT SPIN
26-            WON ATTEMPT 2
32-            relax                                      relax
0-
0-avoided 2 monstrums
35-            bet black next spin
0-again-    LOS
19-            LOS                                       bet red next spin
8-              WON ATTEMPT 3                    LOS
3-                                                           WON ATTEMPT 2
17-            bet black next spin
12-            LOS                                      bet red next spin/you can notice
                                                                                                   that sometimes you
                                                                                                   will bet both colours.
17-            WON ATTEMPT 2                     LOS
4-                                                             LOS
21-                                                         WON ATTEMPT 3
19-                                                          bet red next spin
27-                                                          WON ATTEMPT 1
33-                                                          bet black next spin
30-                                                          LOS



And so on and on--but only on La partage table-half back on zero.

Why I write attempts/in which spin you have a hit/cause thatway-after tested 3000-9000 spins,you can come to conclusion which staking plan is the best to applay.
Now really must go for a swimmming.

PS.SORRY THE COLOURS HAVE BEEN MIXED UP-BLUE AND BLACK...as if I had something to drink---didn't but will now down the beach.

[atlantis]

            COL-2-SIDE                           COL-3 SIDE

7-             NBNS/no bet next spin            same
17-           bet black next spin                  cappuccino time
10-           WON-ATTEMPT 1                      SAME
29-           bet black next spin                  order one more cappuccino
29-           WON-ATTEMPT 1                      SAME
8-             bet black next spin                  don't drink no more,you might get poisoned
0-             lost only half                            lucky you still dreaming
35-           WON ATTEMPT 2                      ORDER A BEER NOW
17-           bet black next spin                  but don't get drunk
28-           WON ATTEMPT 1                      must be patient
0-             no bet mode                            same
36-           now you have a drink              bet red next spin
1-             take some ice                          WON ATTEMPT 1
10-           RELAX                                      YOU TOO
36-           you deserve a rest                  bet red next spin
7-             talk some to the girls              WON ATTEMPT 1
28-           don't fall a sleep                     other side still in front-wake up
9-             slow but sure                          bet red next spin
30-                                                          Won attempt 1
6-                                                            bet black next spin
13                                                           Won attempt 1
28-
0-
15-                                                          bet black next spin
25-                                                          LOS-
17-            bet black next spin                WON ATTEMPT 2
0-              LOS HALF                               NO BET NEXT SPIN
26-            WON ATTEMPT 2
32-            relax                                      relax
0-
0-avoided 2 monstrums
35-            bet black next spin
0-again-    LOS
19-            LOS                                       bet red next spin
8-              WON ATTEMPT 3                    LOST
3-                                                           WON ATTEMPT 2
17-            bet black next spin
12-            LOS                                      bet red next spin/you can notice
                                                                                                   that sometimes you
                                                                                                   will bet both colours.
17-            WON ATTEMPT 2                     LOST
4-                                                             LOST
21-                                                         WON ATTEMPT 3
19-                                                          bet red next spin
27-                                                          WON ATTEMPT 1
33-                                                          bet black next spin
30-                                                          LOST

Hi Iboba - I like that;  I notice after a WIN on either side you WAIT for next spin even if the winning number is a KEY to continue play... eg the first 29 indicates bet B. 29 repeated so you WON. Instead of betting B again straight away you sat out a spin on that side...

I had not been playing it like that - but your way is much better, I think!

I like the idea of having separate progression for each SIDE (or column) and I think the 2u-2d might work here.

Thanks.
A.

[F_LAT_INO]

I consider past spin/w-L/PAST--not connected any longer as possible trigger.
Now when you test about 3000 spins the way it is shown,you will probably
get the idea about each individual staking plan.I personally prefer Compas/no risk/
way as either you win in the first attempt 1 unit--or lose in the fourth attempt 1 unit---
and since it is 10/1 odds/you will win 10 on the first attempt,against losing 1 on the fourth
attempt.And you would have to lose twice 7 units to lose session of 100 spins.
Have tested 9000 spins and its just incredible.