The Holy Grail! (For Red/Black)

[Compa]

Hahaha.. im glad mate;)

Cheers!

[Compa]

Fellow Seekers,

I don't mean to hi-jack Compa's method, so if there's anything improper about this post, Victor, please move it to the appropriate place.

I have been playing with phenominal results the following tweaked Holy Grail for R/B.

Play the bet selection exactly as Compa's original explanation.  I don't know why this works with the 12 #'s he has given us as betting triggers but they do seem to work.  I haven't tested any other #'s.  It could be that any 12 #'s would work just as well.  But for now it's the 3rd column.  My betting sequence is 1-3-7-15.  While waiting for a trigger, I play similar to what Compa recommended, but I bet 3 units on 1-18 EC and 2 units on the 3rd dozen. I never change the bet placement on this 3/2 bet. As all of you know if you land on any number other than 0/00 or 19-24, you win 1 unit.

If you lose the 1-3-7-15 sequence, you increase to 2-6-14-30 until you win your 26 units back.  If you lose a 2-6-14-30 sequence, increase to 4-12-28-60 and play this sequence until you recover any lost units.  If you lose at this level, you can either stay at 4-12-28-60 until you recover lost units or reach a stop-loss, say 350 units; or you can even go to 8-16-32-64.  Decide for yourself based on your testing and risk tolerance.

If you lose on the 3/2 unit bet,  go to 6/4 for 3 wins.  This will recover the 5 units lost plus 1.  Drop back to 3/2.  If you lose 6/4 before 3 wins, go to 12/8 until you have recovered all lost units.  If you lose at 12/8 before full recovery, go to 24/16, then 48/32.  If you win 4 or 5 times in a row on any of these levels you will have fully recovered all lost units and be back at your base betting level.

I have a win target of 80 units per session or a loss of 350 units.  You should probably have 2 or 3 back-up banks to play this for real money.  I have already played 5 sessions on Ladbrokes 0/00 play for free game.  I have won all 5 sessions which = +400 units.  Most of them were so easy that it was surprising.  Also, it doesn't take many spins at all because you are betting on every spin.

The interesting thing about combining these two systems is that when you are playing the Holy Grail R/B system you often times hit some of the losing #'s for the 3/2 system.  The two systems meld together quite well, I think.

I have gotten up to betting 48/32 a couple of times, but never lost at that level.  I haven't gone beyond the 2-6-14-30 level on the R/B bets, but I'm sure that'll happen eventually.

Give it a try.  I think that you'll be surprised at how easy it is to play and how profitable it is in a short period of time.  It definitely looks like it will stay well ahead of any losses on a really bad session.

Cheers,

George

P.S.  I always bet the R/B system.  If I'm betting 6/4 on the other system, I continue to bet that with the R/B simultaneously.  If I'm at the 3/2 level when a R/B trigger shows, I quit playing the 3/2 until I have no more bets to place on the R/B system.  If I have the opportunity to bet R and B at the same time, I use differential betting until one of them hits.  This saves units if the 0/00 hits.

Hi George. No Hijacking in this mate. Feel free to Improve, mod, tweak etc. No problem. One single brain is not as powerful as several together;) Only thing i will not tolerate is stupid remarks.  But i belive that is sorted out by now. To me it seems we are only creative posters left, very Nice! Keep me updated Guys and Dolls!

Cheers!

[atlantis]

Hi Compa + others,

What about playing level stake units on the original R/B trigger selections for ONE spin ONLY - best of 10??

After EACH 10 bets assess the bank balance:

1) If level or ahead - continue at same level for next 10 bets

2a) If behind and lost overall over last 10 bets - increase stake by 1 unit for next 10 bets

ELSE

2b) if behind and profited over the last 10 bets but still behind overall - remain at same level for next 10 bets.

3) Stop session when +5 approx.


Casino Wiesbaden 06 JUL 2010 - Table 9
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[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net, Bal.,Bet Layout
1,5,No,0,0,0,0,500,
2,23,No,0,0,0,0,500,
3,24,No,0,0,0,0,500,
4,20,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Black
5,0,No,0,0,0,0,501,
6,20,No,0,0,0,0,501,
7,0,No,0,0,0,0,501,
8,0,No,0,0,0,0,501,
9,8,No,0,0,0,0,501,
10,15,No,0,0,0,0,501,
11,36,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : Black
12,3,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Red
13,10,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : Red
14,3,No,0,0,0,0,500,
15,11,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499,1 : Red
16,8,No,0,0,0,0,499,
17,25,No,0,0,0,0,499,
18,14,No,0,0,0,0,499,
19,23,No,0,0,0,0,499,
20,19,No,0,0,0,0,499,
21,2,No,0,0,0,0,499,
22,27,No,0,0,0,0,499,
23,33,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,498,1 : Red
24,35,Bet,1,2,-1,1,499,1 : Black
25,11,No,0,0,0,0,499,
26,6,No,0,0,0,0,499,
27,23,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,498,1 : Black
28,10,No,0,0,0,0,498,
29,7,No,0,0,0,0,498,
30,21,No,0,0,0,0,498,
31,12,Bet,1,2,-1,1,499,1 : Red
32,7,Bet,1,2,-1,1,500,1 : Red  ** level after 10 - stay @1u

33,36,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Red
34,1,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Red
35,4,No,0,0,0,0,502,
36,6,No,0,0,0,0,502,
37,19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Black
38,26,No,0,0,0,0,501,
39,18,No,0,0,0,0,501,
40,26,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : Red
41,24,No,0,0,0,0,500,
42,33,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Black
43,22,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Black
44,24,No,0,0,0,0,502,
45,27,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Black
46,7,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Red
47,11,No,0,0,0,0,502,
48,9,No,0,0,0,0,502,
49,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Red
50,24,No,0,0,0,0,501,
51,18,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : Black ** +0 after 20 - stay @1u

52,15,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499,1 : Red
53,10,Bet,1,2,-1,1,500,1 : Black
54,35,No,0,0,0,0,500,
55,22,No,0,0,0,0,500,
56,5,No,0,0,0,0,500,
57,14,No,0,0,0,0,500,
58,36,No,0,0,0,0,500,
59,23,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Red
60,23,No,0,0,0,0,501,
61,21,No,0,0,0,0,501,
62,7,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Red
63,20,No,0,0,0,0,502,
64,6,No,0,0,0,0,502,
65,23,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Black
66,17,No,0,0,0,0,501,
67,7,No,0,0,0,0,501,
68,24,No,0,0,0,0,501,
69,20,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Black
70,1,No,0,0,0,0,502,
71,31,No,0,0,0,0,502,
72,27,No,0,0,0,0,502,
73,30,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : Red
74,15,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : Red
75,18,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Black
76,12,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Red * +2 after 30 - stay @1u

77,11,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Red
78,14,No,0,0,0,0,501,
79,2,No,0,0,0,0,501,
80,36,No,0,0,0,0,501,
81,32,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Red
82,15,No,0,0,0,0,502,
83,15,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : Black
84,6,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504,1 : Black
85,10,Bet,1,2,-1,1,505,1 : Black
86,0,No,0,0,0,0,505,
87,15,No,0,0,0,0,505,
88,13,Bet,1,2,-1,1,506,1 : Black
89,33,No,0,0,0,0,506,
90,2,Bet,1,2,-1,1,507,1 : Black
91,34,No,0,0,0,0,507,
92,0,No,0,0,0,0,507,
93,4,No,0,0,0,0,507,
94,19,No,0,0,0,0,507,
95,24,No,0,0,0,0,507,
96,29,Bet,1,2,-1,1,508,1 : Black
97,18,No,0,0,0,0,508,
98,11,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,507,1 : Red
99,6,No,0,0,0,0,507,
100,9,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,506,1 : Black * +6 after 40 - STOP
[/table]

+6 in 40 bets @100 spins.
maxdrawdown=3.
Highest Bet=1.

Didnt need to increase stake in this session.
Didn't bother with the other 'stay at table' bet.
There was a session high of +8 on spin 96 - just wanted to complete the 10 bet cycle...

Cheers,
Atlantis.

[Compa]

Thanks mate! Great thing. Must be tested;)

Cheers!

[atlantis]

Using level stakes, betting once only on trigger + cycles of 10 bets above:

Casino Wiesbaden 9 Jul 2010
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Table 3: +5 in 50 bets@227 spins; d/down=15; highest bet=3
Table 4: +5.5 in 48 bets@171 spins; d/down=13.5; highest bet=2
Table 8: +6.5 in 59 bets@224 spins; d/down=10; highest bet=2
Table 9: +5 in 9 bets@29 spins; d/down=1; highest bet=1

A.

[Paja]

The reason why this bet looks more than promising interests me the most.

I came up with this bet:

3.12.21.30.9.18.27.36 = triggers for BLACK
6.15.24.33 = also triggers for BLACK

2.8.11.17.20.26.29.35 = triggers for RED
5.14.23.32 = also triggers for RED

It's not that often for a dozen or column to repeat. So if 3rd column hits it's most likely that next spin will be one of two other columns. 3rd column has 8 reds and 4 blacks, so it means that in other two columns are 14 blacks and 10 reds = black is more likely to hit.

Same (opposite) for 2nd column.

It may be only fallacy but it seems like ok reason (at least to me).

To Compa: Thank you for your kind words. Don't bother with those who do not appreciate most valuable thing posted in years, it's their loss.

[atlantis]

The reason why this bet looks more than promising interests me the most.

I came up with this bet:

3.12.21.30.9.18.27.36 = triggers for BLACK
6.15.24.33 = also triggers for BLACK

2.8.11.17.20.26.29.35 = triggers for RED
5.14.23.32 = also triggers for RED

It's not that often for a dozen or column to repeat. So if 3rd column hits it's most likely that next spin will be one of two other columns. 3rd column has 8 reds and 4 blacks, so it means that in other two columns are 14 blacks and 10 reds = black is more likely to hit.

Same (opposite) for 2nd column.

It may be only fallacy but it seems like ok reason (at least to me).

To Compa: Thank you for your kind words. Don't bother with those who do not appreciate most valuable thing posted in years, it's their loss.

Hi Paja,

Good reasoning...
Would like to to see how it would fare if added in to the "bet once; cycles of 10" mod. Certainly there would be more bet opportunities and hopefully shorter profitable sessions?


A.

[atlantis]

Hi Paja,

Casino Wiesbaden 9 Jul 2010
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Table 3: +5 in 50 bets@227 spins; d/down=15; highest bet=3
Table 4: +5.5 in 48 bets@171 spins; d/down=13.5; highest bet=2
Table 8: +6.5 in 59 bets@224 spins; d/down=10; highest bet=2
Table 9: +5 in 9 bets@29 spins; d/down=1; highest bet=1

Here are results from same sessions if using the ORIGINAL column 3 triggers (R/B) and factoring in your column 2 triggers (always bet on RED):

Using level stakes, betting once only on trigger + cycles of 10 bets method:

Casino Wiesbaden 9 Jul 2010
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Table 3: +5 in ?? bets@35 spins; d/down=11; highest bet=2
Table 4: +6 in 42 bets@67 spins; d/down=8; highest bet=2
Table 8: +6.5 in 54 bets@84 spins; d/down=16; highest bet=4
Table 9: +5 in 17 bets@29 spins; d/down=1; highest bet=1

The number of spins before target reached is definately reduced for some of the longer sessions.... Forgot to log table 3 bet count.

You may wish to try it with exclusively YOUR column 2/3 triggers exactly to see if any difference or improvement...

A.

[GLC]

A.

Once again you bring me back down to earth.  I tend to like to rachet it up on the stakes for a more rapid, higher win in a shorter period of time.  I think that my posted tweak wins at a solid rate, but also at a higher risk level.

Your betting method looks to be profitable and very stable.  Will try it and see what happens.  Also, Paja's reasoning is akin to your reasoning re: using columns to trigger betting on the Hi/Lo EC's.  Let's hope we don't run into the same problem where we win a lot of small wins but every now and then a killer loss comes along.

Paja,

Excellent observation.  I think you may be on to something with your reasoning.  I like the more triggers.  I'm not ready to totally give up on pairing the 3/2 system with this and the fewer bets on the 3/2 may make it a stronger bet in the long run, I think.  Time will tell.

Keel,

I know you're right in your observation re: the 3/2 system.  It is only a small twist on Compa's sitting at the table bet.  I have tried for a long time to figure out how to make it a profitable bet.  Even though "The Barbi" system is based on it and claims to be a long-term winner, I've never been able to prove it to myself.  It seems to do better when tied to Comp's trigger system because we don't play it continuously and some of the losses are missed while playing R/B.  I admit that in the long run it may ruin the R/B system.  I like Atlantis' betting method.  If it holds up we could be able to make more $ per hour because we can bet larger units without having up to 80 units riding on a single spin.

My basic tendency is to toward Mr. J's progression style. I admit that in real play, it's hard to shell out 80 units on a spin if the units are $5, $10 or $25.  Oh well, we have to deal with who we are.  That's why this forum is so good.  Helps us all reach equilibrium.

George

[Compa]

Hi Guys. Now, I do not agree about the Triggers.

This is a 2500 spin Session Report playing The method reversed:

There were 24 wins and 6 loss. The losses had been avoided playing the Method as created.

However, there is a point doing the reverse Bet.. When we have:

21   <--Trigger: play RED
26 L <--play RED again

or:

21    <--play BLACK
26 W<--play RED

Ok,, the sessions:


1.  -6
2.  +25
3.  +11
4.  +8
5.  +23
6.  +13
7.  +22
8.   +2
9.   +5
10.  +20
11.  +16
12.  +3
13.  +28
14. -21
15.  -4
16.  +1
17.  +6
18.  -2
19.  -15
20.  -2
21.  +9
22.  +12
23.  +8
24.  +5
25.  +9
26.  +22
27.  +8
28.  +15
29.  +19
30.  +15
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24 Sessions Won,  6 Lost

Cheers

[atlantis]

Here are the results playing it  I think the way Warrior and GLC tried it earlier in the thread.
If a column 3 RED - bet RED
If a column 2 BLACK - bet BLACK

Betting once only and using "cycle of 10" method described above.

Casino Wiesbaden 9 Jul 2010
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Table 3: +5 in 11 bets@31 spins; d/down=1; highest bet=1
Table 4: +6 in 67 bets@143 spins; d/down=17; highest bet=3
Table 8: +6.5 in 20 bets@53 spins; d/down=5; highest bet=2
Table 9: +5 in 15 bets@43 spins; d/down=1; highest bet=1


A.

[Compa]

Ok mate. Thanks;)

Cheers

[F_LAT_INO]

You are right iggi, when you get a horse for free bring him to dentist and pay for fixing his teeth, but that's more expensive than buy a new one! Better accept gifts only from within, they are also for free and last for ever.
I am happy that Compa and F LAT INO dug the tomahawk deep into the earth and smoke together hashish peace pipe.
I tested just for curiosity which one of the other 2 ECs are similar to Red an Black and I got this: Black- High - Odd; Red - Low - Even. Try it the same way on the other 2 ECs to see if I hit the target.
Scooby it is too steep, better would be 1-2-3 or 1-1-2-2-3-3.
Hermes

Hermes mate,
Compa and me are old mates,and we went through some tough battles traying to
create CWB,in his FAGC secret section back on the old VLS/but since am here under other name/he is not aware that I'm only traying to solve this to the best for all,and am glad that Atlantis and some other guys are bringing up my suggestion of 2nd column bet also.
But I don't wish to suggest anything just now,but when you all deplete your ideas,I might with Compas permission,give my oppinion and suggestion on this bet staking plan.

[Compa]

Please feel free to contribute Tino. No problem, go ahead;)

Cheers!

[GLC]

Okay,  for those of you who would like to try a way to play this  idea the Compa has shared with us in a way that wins fairly quickly, about 20 units in 100 spins.  And, you don't mind risking 300 units, try this. (Don't risk the 300 units until you've tested and found out for yourself if this system is for you.)

A spin on the 3rd dozen triggers a single bet on Black.  A spin on the 2nd dozen triggers a single bet on Red.  A spin on the 1st dozen triggers Compa's bet on the Hi/Lo EC and the opposing dozen if you need to bet to keep your seat at the table.

The betting mod is a combination of mini martingale and fibonacci.

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2
4
4
8
12
12
20
32
44
61
96
If you're unlucky enough to lose all 12 bets, please don't ever play Russian Roulette.  Also, you'll lose 296 units.  A substantial number, but not so much considering the win rate of this system.

You only bet once on each trigger.  As you can see, the first 3 bets are a mini martingale.  A win on any of them results in +1 unit.  We only play until we are +1 then we start a new attack.  We will use Victor's "conscious" progression idea.  That means that if our next bet according to the above progression would net us more than +1 on a win, we reduce that bet so we only win 1 unit.

If you lose the first 3 bets, we go into a fibo style in that we have to win 2 bets to get +1.
So, let's say we lose the first 4 bets.  Our next bet is 8 units.  We are down 11 units.  If we win the 8 unit bet we are still down 3 units and must drop down to the 4 unit bet.  If we win, we are at +1.  Start a new attack.  Anytime we are betting the second 4, the 8 or the frist 12 unit bets, we must also bet the previous bet in order to reach +1.  Caveat.  If we win then lose then win then lose etc... we will be whittleing away our deficit and can move down the progression as required so that we keep our bets as low as possible at all times.  Study the progression a little so that you understand completely what I'm saying.  (Forgive me if I'm getting too detailed.  I know that most of you are way ahead of me on this.)

If you reach the second 12 unit bet or higher, you must win three times in a row to reach +1.  Although, the same situation will arise as explained above if you are winning and losing in a choppy fashion.  You can accumulate units and work your way back down the progression without having to win 3 in a row.

This idea Compa has shared with us seems to be a really valuable concept.  I could just be getting lucky, but I have been having phenominal luck in my testings.  I have played over 1000 spins, am up over 300 units and haven't even come close to reaching the end of the progression.  The highest I've had to bet is the second 12 unit bet and the most I've been in the hole is 31 units.  About 80% of the time you win on the first 3 bets.

It easy to play.  Just run it through a few hundred spins and if you like it good.  Maybe you can help tweak it to improve it. 

I stopped at a highest bet of 96 units because the roulette wheel I have access to only allows a 100 unit spread.  Heck, if you can't win with a 100 unit spread, don't play it, right.

Cheers,

George