The Holy Grail! (For Red/Black)

[Wally Gator]

If I get:
12
15

I continue bet on the 12 Key. If Win on RED, I follow the 15 Key and bet BLACK.

(1)  Can you please provide an example of this as a win and then as a loss?  Thanks.
(2)  On the progression, if you lose the 1,1,2,3 do you reset to 1,1,2,3 or are you continuing with the progression 1,1,2,3,4,5, etc .... ?

Thanks, Wally

[Compa]

Hi. I dont know what You mean by an example. There IS an example mentioned.

It cant get clearer than that,,lol.

If I get:
12 <--Bet R
15
9  W <--Now bet B (DBL)

I continue bet on the 12 Key. If Win on RED, I follow the 15 Key and bet BLACK.





Reset to 1 1 2 3 if lose.

Cheers

[GLC]

Hold the phone guys and gals (if there are any gals).

I just realized that I've been playing the system wrong.  I was only betting 1 time after each trigger and win or lose wait for the next trigger before betting the next step in the progression.  Now that I realize that you can bet up to 4 times for each trigger to hit, it may make my sessions turn out better.

I'm going to re-do Wally's numbers.  Those were numbers from hell for the old way I was playing.  I just barely survived the beginning with all those zeros, but a streak later got me.  It's possible that I could have recovered and ended with a win by the 800th number, but gave up too early.

George

[ThomasGrant]

Umm, can this system be coded into RX?
Or would Victor be able to code it?
Or perhaps Tiago?

[Compa]

Umm, can this system be coded into RX?
Or would Victor be able to code it?
Or perhaps Tiago?

It certainly can! Who volunteers?

[iggiv]

it is easy to do it for one next spin betting red/black after a certain number. but the next part (betting 3 more spins with progression) can be harder.

[Paja]

The Figure 3 and 9 is all RED Numbers. The Figure 6 is all BLACK Numbers.

3.6.9, The Key of Time rules the Roulette. So it decides the outcome in the Column 1 and 2.

Figure 3:  3.12.21.30

Figure 9: 9.18.27.36

Figure 6: 6.15.24.33

So when we see any Number in Figure 3 Or 9, bet RED. If hit on R on 1st spin, stop and retrack.

When we see any 6.15.24.33, bet BLACK

4 spins max. I'm doing a progression 1123

Cheers!

If I get:
12
15

I continue bet on the 12 Key. If Win on RED, I follow the 15 Key and bet BLACK.



Cheers!

I tested 10x100 spins sessions from wiesbaden , january 2010, table 3 using this method

1.  -28
2.  +2
3.  -9
4.  +4
5.   0
6.  +19
7.  -24
8.  -18
9.  -11
10. +12


0 during a progression is treated as regular loss.

12 bet RED
15 bet RED
23 bet BLACK ------- In situations like this i was betting progression 1,1,2,3 from first step, didn't skip first step (like 1,2,3) because of 23 as a virtual loss. 



I will keep testing for 20 more sessions.

[Wally Gator]

Here are 800 spins using the progression as stated.  Needs a more aggressive progression, I think.  Break the x100 spins any way you'd like, I just don't see how it can consistently win with this progression.  Maybe I'm playing it wrong.  Can you please take a look?

Thanks, Wally

[GLC]

Gents,

I've been thinking about this system of Compa's and the idea that two columns are less likely to hit in a row than for two different columns to hit.  Looking at the carpet we find 4 Red numbers in the 2nd column and 4 Black numbers in the 3rd column.  So, I ran a quick test on Wally's 796 numbers to see how things would work if I used these 8 numbers as trigger numbers.

If a 5,14,23, or 32 spins we bet on Red for 1 spin.  (The following came form Paja's post. ) Because if the odds are better for the 1 or 3 column to hit after the 2nd column hits, and there are 14 Reds and 10 Blacks in the 1 and 3 columns, it seems like a Red has a better chance of spinning than a Black.  I only bet for 1 spin because it's only a 50/50 bet so if you bet for 2 or more chances for Red to show it appears to me to go beyond the odds.  Same for the Blacks 6,15,24,  and 33.  If one of these shows, I bet on Black for 1 spin only.

I ended up with 71 wins and 70 losses out of 141 bets out of 796 spins.  Now this doesn't reflect much of an edge, but if you give me 71 to70 forever and let me use a progression of some kind, I think I will soon be a rich man.  And all of you too will be rich.  Unfortunately, Victor, that would mean there would be no need for forums since everybody would be rich.  (Just doing a little day dreaming.  Forgive me for my occassional levity.  It's late and I like to amuse myself some.)

Compa, what do you think?  Can this be of any help to us or not?  Does this trigger any other ideas that can be helpful?

Good night.  I'm going to sleep on it.

George

[Hermes]

Negative Alembert of Fibonacci will not do it, they are to weak if a few times in row come 4 losses. I play 1-2-4 (Leveller) separately on Black / Red and then 4 units until breakeven or better total. Never lost a session. If one is losing the other is winning.
Hermes

[atlantis]

Gents,

I've been thinking about this system of Compa's and the idea that two columns are less likely to hit in a row than for two different columns to hit.  Looking at the carpet we find 4 Red numbers in the 2nd column and 4 Black numbers in the 3rd column.  So, I ran a quick test on Wally's 796 numbers to see how things would work if I used these 8 numbers as trigger numbers.

If a 5,14,23, or 32 spins we bet on Red for 1 spin.  (The following came form Paja's post. ) Because if the odds are better for the 1 or 3 column to hit after the 2nd column hits, and there are 14 Reds and 10 Blacks in the 1 and 3 columns, it seems like a Red has a better chance of spinning than a Black.  I only bet for 1 spin because it's only a 50/50 bet so if you bet for 2 or more chances for Red to show it appears to me to go beyond the odds.  Same for the Blacks 6,15,24,  and 33.  If one of these shows, I bet on Black for 1 spin only.

I ended up with 71 wins and 70 losses out of 141 bets out of 796 spins.  Now this doesn't reflect much of an edge, but if you give me 71 to70 forever and let me use a progression of some kind, I think I will soon be a rich man.  And all of you too will be rich.  Unfortunately, Victor, that would mean there would be no need for forums since everybody would be rich.  (Just doing a little day dreaming.  Forgive me for my occassional levity.  It's late and I like to amuse myself some.)

Compa, what do you think?  Can this be of any help to us or not?  Does this trigger any other ideas that can be helpful?

Good night.  I'm going to sleep on it.

George

Not a bad idea, George. Please keep us informed of your progress on this variation. Thanks.

A.

[Compa]

Watch out mates! I have seen a Column repeat 12 times in a row..4-5 times is'nt that rare either.

Cheers!

[Wally Gator]

Hermes,

Can you please explain the Leveller, or point us in the right direction for the explanation?

Thanks, Wally

[Fripper]

Hey wally. The way I have understand it:
Bet 1,1
if win bet the same.
if lose, bet 2,2
if lose again, bet 4,4 everytime until you are in profit.

But I tried this and it is hard to recover if you are down some units.

[GLC]

Hey wally. The way I have understand it:
Bet 1,1
if win bet the same.
if lose, bet 2,2
if lose again, bet 4,4 everytime until you are in profit.

But I tried this and it is hard to recover if you are down some units.

Hermes is the expert on the leveller but the way I understand it you bet 1-2-4 and if you lose these 3 bets you continue to bet 4 each time until you are ahead then start over at 1.

What fripper is explaining is the 2up 2down bet method.  A little different than the leveller.

G