The Holy Grail! (For Red/Black)

[Red Nickels]

Are you guys insane?  numbers are things painted on a slot in a wheel.  the slots could have anything any color painted in these pockets.  Can you really give a rationale explanation why if the ball lands in a pocket that has been painted a certain color or labeled with a certain number, that some kind of magical force has been put into motion for the next spin that will cause the ball to land in a pocket that has been painted or labeled in a certain way?  do you really think past spins influence future spins?  do you really think anything other than the point at which the dealer releases the ball, the speed of the wheel and speed of the ball and the way the ball hits the diamonds and bounces around until it lands in some particular pocket-- do you really think the color of the pocket it is going to land in or the color of the pocket it was in before it was picked up and thrown again-- or the way the pocket was labeled-- do you really think that makes a difference as to where the ball will land next??  Can you really not see that obviously every spin is independent of previous spins?  HOW can you NOT see that?  have you all gone insane?

[albertojonas]

have you seen more than 50 blacks in a row?

[Red Nickels]

No can't say that I have.  but I can tell you that on every spin, the chances remain the same for any outcome as it was on previous spin.  if I brought you two fair coins and told you that one of them just flipped 10 heads in a row before I brought it to you (and it really happened, and the other coin did not do that), do you think you would gain an advantage by betting that the coin that flipped 10 heads in a row will now flip a tail, vs the other coin flipping a tail?  you would not, because the chances remain the same, 1/2, for either coin to flip heads or tail next (though the chances for either coin to flip 10 heads or tails in a row on the next 10 flips are much smaller, but you can't count what has already happened as part of a sequence of what may happen next.)  in any case it is particulary ridiculous to believe that because a pocket has been labeled in some way, that on the next spin or series of spins, a pocket that has been colored in some way is now more likely to hit.  and if you do believe that I would love to hear a rationale explanation as to why that could be so.  in roulette numbers are just labels, just something we have agreed to call a position on a wheel.  every position could be labeled with anything and painted any color and obviously that would not change anything as to where the ball will land next.  so the question is, the ball is thrown, it lands in a particular position, the ball is picked up, the wheel continues to spin (or not-- perhaps the wheel is closed for the night-- or perhaps it is closed for a year), now we're going to throw the ball again in the same wheel-- do you think the position that the ball landed in last will affect the position that the ball will land in next?

in this system discussion it seemed that first it was advised to bet one color if certain numbers hit, then it was changed and it was advised to bet the other color if certain numbers hit.  or perhaps it was changed back, I don't know.  but the quesion remains, how could you gain an advantage betting on one or the other color, after certain numbers did or did not hit previously?  answer-- you could not.  the only thing that will affect where the ball will land next is physics-- when the dealer throws the ball, speed of the ball and wheel, release point, etc.  and that is all constantly changing.

[albalaha]

Dear Red nickel,
          Everybody knows what you are trying to say or to preach. In a forum like this, people try to put their own ways to win from the game called roulette. You better go somewhere, where you can learn Visual ballistic, bias analysis and dealer's signature type of stuffs. This forum is not meant for you and please stop calling everybody "insane". This is a peaceful forum and only well-behaved debators are required to be here.

[Red Nickels]

Sorry I have not been politically correct enough.  maybe I should have said "are you nuts?" but that may have been perceived as being too insulting too.  I think my previous post was pretty polite and inoffensive.  so basically we are not allowed to challenge anyone's thinking here (or to point out the obvious)?  ok I'll try to be more polite and politically correct if I feel compelled to do that.  but if someone is going to call their system "The Holy Grail! (for Red/Black)", it should be ok to question it.

[albalaha]

If even after speaking so abruptly and rudely you feel it "polite" and "inoffensive", I have to change my dictionary and that of yours too. Learn to behave.

[esoito]

Sorry I have not been politically correct enough.  maybe I should have said "are you nuts?" but that may have been perceived as being too insulting too.  I think my previous post was pretty polite and inoffensive. 

There have been a lot worse! I can handle being called 'insane' or 'nuts' because I believe something that is -- itself -- perhaps a touch insane.

so basically we are not allowed to challenge anyone's thinking here (or to point out the obvious)? 

Go ahead and do so.

ok I'll try to be more polite and politically correct if I feel compelled to do that.  but if someone is going to call their system "The Holy Grail! (for Red/Black)", it should be ok to question it.

Yes. That's correct. It IS OK to question it.

If I believed in something, and somebody told me I was 'insane' to do so, and then presented cogent, logical reasons against it, I would be more inclined to listen to the message rather than shoot the messenger for thinking I was insane in the first place.

Hey, we're all a bit insane.

The wider society would think there's a type of insanity in watching a little ball going round and round in circles...A metaphor for life, isn't it?

I think we need to keep a sense of proportion, of perspective and, above all, A SENSE OF HUMOUR!!

[Maui13]

@ Esoito

The wider society would think there's a type of insanity in watching a little ball going round and round in circles...A metaphor for life, isn't it?


I personally think that people who hit a little round white ball, walk after it, then to smack it again, until they get it into a small hole are insane    I'd rather sit and watch it, than walk after it!!!

Regards,
Mauricio

Edit: PS - This ties up with what I said..

Robin Williams - Irish Drinking/GOLF

[Red Nickels]

I was just watching a movie "Money Never Sleeps" and I just came to a part of it near the end where the protagonist says, "What is the definition of insanity-- it is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results," and I have to say it immediately made me think of these roulette forums and the endless systems that people post.  However I know some people are a little touchy about people like myself saying this or that so I will not continue to harp on this, and will readily admit that I certainly am guilty as well of trying endless and similar systems, expecting different results which never occur.  I am just wondering how one can think that certain numbers "call forth.." black or red or certain other numbers.  How exactly does that happen?-- I would like to know.  And it certainly would be wonderful if these phenonemas did occur.  Whatever-- let the insanity continue!  I'm sorry, I didn't mean that-- I mean let the testing continue.  And I'm sure I will continue to look for a solution to roulette as well, which has been proven to be unbeatable by people much smarter than myself.   Certainly it would be more fun to sit at a roulette table placing bets and counting chips than going to work every day.  I don't give up hope either.

[Blood Angel]

  Certainly it would be more fun to sit at a roulette table placing bets and counting chips than going to work every day.  I don't give up hope either.

What keeps me coming back for more 

[viclimks]

Is this the real H/G?

[vundarosa]

Is this the real H/G?

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I'm sorry to say it ain't. I found it to work quite well betting opposite the colour on the 3rd col number with 1-2-4-("8")... 

vundarosa

[ced82]

For Compa and other experts, what's the best way to play this system. I saw so many variances and progressions that I'm lost.

Thanks

[MaximB]

Hey,
had a test in Dublinbet on the real wheel roulette (R/B - triggers to start betting,progression simple Marty - 1,2,4,STOP):
27
36
28
15
10
25
6 B
27 L -1
17 L -2
11 W +4
10
23
19
19
12 R
22 L-1
1 W+2
11
4
14
22
20
21 R
9 W+1
18 R
11 L-1
33 L-2
22 L-4 ,STOPPED BETTING
24 B
15 W+1
28
31
Ended session. After I had a dinner I continued testing it:
28
0
8
24 B
4 W+1
10
30 R
11 L-1
16 W+2
10
29
27 R
4 L-1
4 L-2
17 L-4 STOPPED BETTING
27 R
18 W+1
35
35
1
10
11
3 R
8 L-1
14 W+2
5
15 B
4 W+1
31
29
33 B
23 L-1
34 L-2
2 W+4
1
13
26
23
27 R
6 L-1
3 W+2
END.
TOTAL: 24 LOST UNITS 21 WON,-3 UNITS.
Compa,don't be too strict me,you said to make 30x100 spins,but will lost my patience. Maybe later. By the way,results of testing on RNG wheel were better
Cheers

[vundarosa]

Hey,
had a test in Dublinbet on the real wheel roulette (R/B - triggers to start betting,progression simple Marty - 1,2,4,STOP):
27
36
28
15
10
25
6 B
27 L -1
17 L -2
11 W +4
10
23
19
19
12 R
22 L-1
1 W+2
11
4
14
22
20
21 R
9 W+1
18 R
11 L-1
33 L-2
22 L-4 ,STOPPED BETTING
24 B
15 W+1
28
31
Ended session. After I had a dinner I continued testing it:
28
0
8
24 B
4 W+1
10
30 R
11 L-1
16 W+2
10
29
27 R
4 L-1
4 L-2
17 L-4 STOPPED BETTING
27 R
18 W+1
35
35
1
10
11
3 R
8 L-1
14 W+2
5
15 B
4 W+1
31
29
33 B
23 L-1
34 L-2
2 W+4
1
13
26
23
27 R
6 L-1
3 W+2
END.
TOTAL: 24 LOST UNITS 21 WON,-3 UNITS.
Compa,don't be too strict me,you said to make 30x100 spins,but will lost my patience. Maybe later. By the way,results of testing on RNG wheel were better
Cheers

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hi maximB.. this works fairly well.
I think betting the opposite works better.... If a red on 3rd col comes out, bet black...
i sometimes go to a 8u bet if zero is involved

vundarosa