MATRIX VERTICAL METHOD ONLY

[Johnlegend]

I get it now.   Will test tonight 

Uh we are ZIGZAG. 

[atlantis]

I would only suggest that progression I posted to be used if HUNTING against the QUAD forming vertically or horizontally only.
(2 dozen bet)

If you're going for TRIPLE FORMATION - betting for a double to become a triple (1 dozen bet) as well you will need a different progression.

A.

[ZigZag]

Vertically we are betting against trebles

Horizontally we are betting against quads?

[buffalowizard]

I think we're looking at all possibilities, but maybe start with just against the quads, which is what Atlantis designed his progression for.

BW

[atlantis]

To see the advantage/power of betting the opposite after a formation of 3 SAME doz in a row see my tests with my suggested progression in Sekuritati's thread here:

link:://rouletteforum.cc/the-notepad/wait-for-three-consecutive-spins-of-the-same-dosencolumn-system/msg34695/#msg34695

It's fairly strong and could be applied to betting against vertical QUADS forming as well.

Hope this helps,

A.

[Johnlegend]

 

To see the advantage/power of betting the opposite after a formation of 3 SAME doz in a row see my tests with my suggested progression in Sekuritati's thread here:

link:://rouletteforum.cc/the-notepad/wait-for-three-consecutive-spins-of-the-same-dosencolumn-system/msg34695/#msg34695

It's fairly strong and could be applied to betting against vertical QUADS forming as well.

Hope this helps,

A.

I wouldn't bet against a dozen or column straight Atlantis I have Seen 9 dozens hit in a row many times and columns. You could wait years to see Matrix Vertical deliver even one 9. Thats why I like your idea for the quads vertical/horizontal. They don't happen too often. If you want to bet against a dozen/column you need to wait until there's 5 in a row minumum. I SAW 11 hits on dozen 2 last year. Imagine someone betting AGAINST THAT OUCH!!!! TELEPHONE NUMBERS JUST HIT THE HOUSE LIMIT. No Matrix Vertical is far more consistent. I was playing the matrix yesterday and saw 8 hits on dozen 3. Wait and see how long well wait for that vert/horiz with the MATRIX. A long time....

[Twisteruk]

This is more like it, much simpler for simpletons like me!

So its a matrix 7 x 7?

And we're betting on 2 dozens for a trip not becoming a quad?

Cheers

BW

Is this the Final version ?

Trips not to become Quads ?

Do we also bet Quads not to become 5 timers ?

6 timers not to become 7 timers ?

Ive only ever seen one 7 timer, and never an 8 (yet)

What staking plan do you use John ?


Nice to see the Vegas Trip is back on !
Virgin fly direct 

[ZigZag]

Well i did quick test last night.  I don't know what final bet selection will be but i was testing

doubles not to become trips (Vertical)

Trips not to become quads (Horizontal)

98 spins   + 12 flatbet   :thumbsup:

2 times i was only betting on 1 dozen as had 2 triggers on both the vertical and horizontal

[Johnlegend]

Well I did quick test last night.  I don't know what final bet selection will be but I was testing

doubles not to become trips (Vertical)

Trips not to become quads (Horizontal)

98 spins   + 12 flatbet   

2 times I was only betting on 1 dozen as had 2 triggers on both the vertical and horizontal

Nice to see Zig zag finally winning lol. I Know how I want to play it, but I have to let TwisterUK and Atlantis have a say as they've helped get it to this point. Clocks ticking boys. And I'm in the Zone lol!

[buffalowizard]

The Zone was a good place to be in for a while too! 

[Twisteruk]

Well I did quick test last night.  I don't know what final bet selection will be but I was testing

doubles not to become trips (Vertical)

Trips not to become quads (Horizontal)

98 spins   + 12 flatbet   

2 times I was only betting on 1 dozen as had 2 triggers on both the vertical and horizontal

Thats great to read ZigZag 

It would be nice to see a break down of your bets plz if poss ?

How many times did you bet 2 dozen ? Winners v Losers etc

Cheers 

[Twisteruk]

I Know how I want to play it, but I have to let TwisterUK and Atlantis have a say as they've helped get it to this point.

Tell me how you want to play it John ?


Also can you answer these questions plz 

Is this the Final version ?

Trips not to become Quads ?

Do we also bet Quads not to become 5 timers ?

6 timers not to become 7 timers ?

I've only ever seen one 7 timer, and never an 8 (yet)

What staking plan do you use John ?


Nice to see the Vegas Trip is back on !
Virgin fly direct 

Cheers Bud 

[Johnlegend]

Tell me how you want to play it John ?


Also can you answer these questions plz  



Cheers Bud  

Twister I like Atlantis's idea about betting against quads forming. It will require patience though especially on a live wheel where you can go 50 spins and only get 2 or 3 trebles to bet against. Flat and VERTICAL.

That's my only reservation. Whereas betting against doubles becoming trebles has a better qualifying frequency within a 50 or 100 spin frame. We all know the longer the streak, the rarer it is.

We may never see a 9 for example vertically or horizontily. The same argument I made with my zone Strategy applies here. I believe there are points random can rarely if ever breach.

While still being realistic. Enough to exploit in a method. YES its time to fess up. I was fender1000 in my former incarnation.

And I'm BACK!

I will go into detail about how I think we should apply this. Its special and if we get it right winning is certain...

[ZigZag]

Hi Twister

Did test late last night and did it a bit wrong.  I have done another test with same numbers here.  I think waiting for vertual loss as a trigger for each bet looks best.  Have to wait and see what Joahn and Atlantis think final version should be.  This was betting without trigger, against trebles (Vertical) and Quads (Horizontal)

                            Tested WITHOUT waiting for a vertual loss

1311231
3222221 Loss (Horizontal) -2
3313333 Win (Vertical) -1 Loss (1Doz) H+V -2
2233122 Win (V) -1
2233222 Loss (V) -3 ------Here i bet on line 6 that the 222 would not form a quad
1123132 W (H) - 2 W (V) -1 W (V) -0 L (V) -2  W (V) -1 L (V) -3
1021223 W (V) -2 W(V) -1
2313332 W (V) - 0 W (V) + 1
1323212
3332331 W (V) +2 W (H) 1 Doz bet +4
3132232 W (V) + 5
3332331 W (V) +6 L (V) +4  W (V) + 5 W (V) + 6 W (V) + 7
1221111 W (V) + 8 (H) + 6
1221202  L (V) + 4 W (V) + 5 W (V) +6
           
                                 End + 6

Sorry miss calculated was + 6 at the end was late night test and had a few beers  :wink:

[Twisteruk]

Twister I like Atlantis's idea about betting against quads forming. It will require patience though especially on a live wheel where you can go 50 spins and only get 2 or 3 trebles to bet against. Flat and VERTICAL.

Ok lets test it, and if a Quad hits us then bet it not to become a 5 timer !?!?
Opinions !?!?

That's my only reservation. Whereas betting against doubles becoming trebles has a better qualifying frequency within a 50 or 100 spin frame. We all know the longer the streak, the rarer it is.

Fingers will get burned with that one !!


We may never see a 9 for example vertically or horizontily. The same argument I made with my zone Strategy applies here. I believe there are points random can rarely if ever breach.

Agreed !

While still being realistic. Enough to exploit in a method. YES its time to fess up. I was fender1000 in my former incarnation.

We knew LoL. thanks for sharing with us  

And I'm BACK!

You can sign in to your Fender account, its still there  

I will go into detail about how I think we should apply this. Its special and if we get it right winning is certain...

I look forward to hearing your views mate  

Do we even need 7 misses playing this way ? As we need the doubles to form to make the trips etc etc

, wait for a vertical Treble and bet against the Quad. If you get hit then bet againt the 5 timer. I would even go so far to say that if you get hit by a 5 timer bet against the 6 timer.

that's only a 3 step, we could make it a 4 step !?!?


We are keeping it just vertical right ?