MATRIX VERTICAL METHOD ONLY

[F_LAT_INO]

FLAT,
Are you playing for OR against the quads forming both horiz and vert?
What progression are you using?
A.

Neither...am waiting for 5 virtuals unmatched,either vertical or horizontal,then start betting for a match,which is very evident from my yesterday spreadsheet where I thickened borders of winning bets.
And am betting required dozen as 2 lines witu progress;

2  2   4-    8+
2  2   8-    4+
3  3   14-  4+
5  5   24-  6+
8  8   40-  8+
12 12 64  8+................stop-loss 64.
haven't lost in 3 days as yet.

[GLC]

Guys,

I've been looking at trying to get more bets in fewer spins without compromising our strike rate and I think I have the solution.

What is so sacred about the triples being vertical?  Why can't we bet for triples on a slant also.  Look at this:

1233231
1321323
3112131
2213 <--right here we could bet against a quat forming, and in 2 more bets we could bet against the 3rd dozen (greens) forming a quad.
We could even go the opposite slant that would give us 3 options for placing bets.

I've tested it a little and it seems to work just as well as strictly vertical.

What do you think?

George      

[F_LAT_INO]

Guys,

I've been looking at trying to get more bets in fewer spins without compromising our strike rate and I think I have the solution.

What is so sacred about the triples being vertical?  Why can't we bet for triples on a slant also.  Look at this:

1233231
1321323
3112131
2213 <--right here we could bet against a quat forming, and in 2 more bets we could bet against the 3rd dozen forming a quad.
We could even go the opposite slant that would give us 3 options for placing bets.

I've tested it a little and it seems to work just as well as strictly vertical.

What do you think?

George      

G Mate,
Explain me what a quad means pls.

[GLC]

F,

It means that when we have a dozen that has formed a 3 times in a row, we are betting that when we come to that location in the next line, the dozen won't hit again for a what we're calling a quad or 4 times.

Example:

1231123
2311231
3231232
232 <-- right here looking up the lines we have 3  first dozen hits so we bet on the 2nd and 3rd dozen hoping that there won't be 4  1st dozens in a row vertically.

Let me know if that's not clear.

G

[Johnlegend]

Glc biggest mistake is getting too clever. We could bet against a cross of the same dozen forming from each corner of the MATRIX 49 too.

Prove to yourselves MATRIX VERTICAL is as good as I already know it is. Horizontal and vertical is enough to be getting on with. Remember the naysayers/sceptics expect this baby to survive millions of spins before they'll throw their maths theories in the trash can. There's a lot of work to be done. Is the concept amazing? You betcha. How many people know that? Me and if he sticks to it Twister, then the rest will follow...

[GLC]

Neither...am waiting for 5 virtuals unmatched,either vertical or horizontal,then start betting for a match,which is very evident from my yesterday spreadsheet where I thickened borders of winning bets.
And am betting required dozen as 2 lines witu progress;

2  2   4-    8+
2  2   8-    4+
3  3   14-  4+
5  5   24-  6+
8  8   40-  8+
12 12 64  8+................stop-loss 64.
haven't lost in 3 days as yet.

F,

Is the spreadsheet you're talking about in the original thread over in "Full Systems".

I'm interested in how you're playing this since all I have to play on is an airball machine.

G.

[Johnlegend]

EVERYONE IVE DONE IT. The MATRIX CROSS IS THE HOLYGRAIL LITERALLY. It will never FORM!!!!

[warrior]

EVERYONE I've DONE IT. The MATRIX CROSS IS THE HOLYGRAIL LITERALLY. It will never FORM!!!!

form what ?

[ZigZag]

Guys,

I've been looking at trying to get more bets in fewer spins without compromising our strike rate and I think I have the solution.

What is so sacred about the triples being vertical?  Why can't we bet for triples on a slant also.  Look at this:

1233231
1321323
3112131
2213 <--right here we could bet against a quat forming, and in 2 more bets we could bet against the 3rd dozen (greens) forming a quad.
We could even go the opposite slant that would give us 3 options for placing bets.

I've tested it a little and it seems to work just as well as strictly vertical.

What do you think?

George      

Its like bingo roulette. Good stuff 

[chrisbis]

form what ?

Do U think he meant FALL, or FAIL maybe??

Bit early for self praise I feel?

Hold back till its had a wider acceptance.
(And its only Tuesday!!)

Needs full system description, rules, analysis by many many members, cross checking with all spin numbers available, as well as running through the maths guys Bayes 7 mr ore.

[Johnlegend]

Form this Warrior how are you?

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2223232
1023312
3333333
2123212
3313222
1223112

You see DOZEN THREE has formed a perfect cross. We bet AGAINST THAT OCCURING. Its too perfect for RANDOM. There's your grail right there..

[GLC]

EVERYONE I've DONE IT. The MATRIX CROSS IS THE HOLYGRAIL LITERALLY. It will never FORM!!!!

Whether or not you've found the grail I don't know, but you can surely get me chuckling with your enthusiastic statements.

ZigZag,

I've been testing the bingo method the following way with excellent results.  

Here's how to bet.  When you have a double formed any of the 3 ways, vertical, slant to the right or slant to the left, you bet 1 unt that it will form a triple.  If it doesn't, you're down 1 unit.  If it does, you're up 2 units, and on the next line you bet 1 unit on the other 2 dozens that it won't form a quad.  If it does form a quad, you're back to even, if it doesn't form a quad you're up 3 units.  I've tested 3 7X7 matrices and haven't lost yet.  The one snafoo is if the triple hits too close to an edge and you don't have room for a quad to not form.  I just pass on that bet.  I've thought about wrapping it around to the other side, but I don't want to get to crazy.  Or do I?

Since all John and company are doing is determining the bet method for their grail, there shouldn't be any harm in looking at some other options for the matrix.  It sounds like Flatino is playing a different way than we are so who knows how many systems will come out of this matrix idea.

G

[ZigZag]

Hi GLC

Wow got so much testing to do. Indeed many systems will be born from this matrix. I havent got excited about a dozens method of play since when i first started playing clothdogs dozens many moons ago from the old VLS forum

Problem i'm finding now is which one to play for real 

[GLC]

Good problem I'd say.

I have a feeling our pals are closing shop for the night.  Most of them are to the East and the sun passed them a long time ago.

The Iron Cross is probably never going to form.  True.  I take that back, it will form, just what are the odds it will form at the table you're playing on at the time you're playing on it.  But a 13 step progression is out of reach since we have to bet on 2 dozens.

Cheers mate,

G

[chrisbis]

I'm Still awake George!!

@Johnlegend

You see DOZEN THREE has formed a perfect cross. We bet AGAINST THAT OCCURING. Its too perfect for RANDOM. There's your grail right there..

Forgive my intrusion into the H.G's laird, but surly Ur looking at the formation of the cross in Hindsight are u not?

Here's Ur "CROSS" list as seen earlier.

3123113
2223232
1023312
3333333
2123212
3313222
1223112

Now then, look at like this for a moment:-

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1023312

So, the bold numbers, show the early signs of a formation of a "CROSS" (one leg)

But how would U bet from here?

From the vertical play, one would now be going out to play for the "QUAD" that might drop in on the next line?

Looking for a cross to NOT-BEAR, is going to be very difficult, unless Ur at this next -Fortunate position!

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2223232
1023312
3333333

Now then, I could agree at this juncture, the risk to BR is reducing, if one played to not see a "CROSS".

But if U got to here:-

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2223232
1023312
3333333
2123212

What would U do then John?

Chance in a million million maybe?

It seems easy to plan NOT to bet on something, but it might just happen...... or not happen!!