win as much as you want

[GLC]

That sounds good.

anyway when high progressions are reached we always end up with a good profit.

Guys,  Just a thought that has been working with dozens for me.  I start betting as you detail, but if I get a win and I'm still below my win target, I stay at that level until I lose 2 in a row (number of bets per level for dozens.  With lines you would have to lose 5 in a row before moving to the next level)  It still wins, but does add a level of safety to the progression.

Another option would be to drop back 5 bets on a win.  This would slow the upward climb even more.

One final input.  The system Goldfinger in the notorious 305 roulette systems used a similar approach.  In a nutshell, the author started at 1 and every loss he added 1 unit to the bet size and on every win he dropped back 5 steps.  He had some rules about betting that we fairly important.  He would take pick a new number if he hadn't won in 15 bets.  He would take the loss if after like 20 bets he was close to even and his next bet was more than 9 units.  He had some other situations that resulted in ending the attack before a positive balance was reached.

If you are interested, I can post the whole system for you perusal.

G

[aleks06]

It does add a level of safety but it kills the profit.

The benefit of this progression is further we go in the progression more we will earn.

what do you think ?

[winkel]

Hi GLC,

that is a contradiction to my idea.

What that guy does is lower the wins when they come up in a row.
My idea is to catch such "winning streaks" and to maximize the win.

as told before to the Fibonacci: some examples

34 win +170
13 win +65 total 235

34 win +170
21 win +105 total 285

34 win +170
34 win +170 total 340

34 win +170
55 win +275 total 445

and now that we have lost all further steps so we had a balance of -270 before first hit at 34!


and as my tests told: even if you bet 115 steps of Progression you will find streaks that wonÂÃ,´t win!
You couldnÂÃ,´t equalize these losses with that re-stepping in a win.

br
winkel

[winkel]

I think I found a trick to gain more from early hits and reach target earlier:

If I have a hit in first 5 spins, then I raise progression to 2 units from spin 6 not from spin 11.

from todays test:

target 25

Code Select Expand

spin L/W Prog win total
1 1 -1 -1
2 W 1 5 4
3 1 -1 3
4 1 -1 2
5 1 -1 1
6 W 2 10 11
7 2 -2 9
8 2 -2 7
9 2 -2 5
10 W 2 10 15
11 W 3 15 30 restart
12 1 -1 29
13 W 1 5 34
14 W 1 5 39
15 1 -1 38
16 1 -1 37
17 2 -2 35
18 W 2 10 45
19 2 -2 43
20 2 -2 41
21 2 -2 39
22 3 -3 36
23 3 -3 33
24 3 -3 30
25 3 -3 27
26 3 -3 24
27 5 -5 19
28 5 -5 14
29 W 5 25 39
30 5 -5 34
31 5 -5 29
32 8 -8 21
33 W 8 40 61 restart
34 1 -1 60
35 W 1 5 65


target 50

Code Select Expand

spin L/W Prog win total
1 1 -1 -1
2 W 1 5 4
3 1 -1 3
4 1 -1 2
5 1 -1 1
6 W 2 10 11
7 2 -2 9
8 2 -2 7
9 2 -2 5
10 W 2 10 15
11 W 3 15 30
12 3 -3 27
13 W 3 15 42
14 W 3 15 57
15 1 -1 56 restart
16 1 -1 55
17 1 -1 54
18 W 1 5 59
19 1 -1 58
20 2 -2 56
21 2 -2 54
22 2 -2 52
23 2 -2 50
24 2 -2 48
25 3 -3 45
26 3 -3 42
27 3 -3 39
28 3 -3 36
29 W 3 15 51
30 5 -5 46
31 5 -5 41
32 5 -5 36
33 W 5 25 61 t
34 5 -5 56
35 W 8 40 96


[winkel]

original bet target 50

Code Select Expand

spin L/W Prog win total
1 1 -1 -1
2 W 1 5 4
3 1 -1 3
4 1 -1 2
5 1 -1 1
6 W 1 5 6
7 1 -1 5
8 1 -1 4
9 1 -1 3
10 W 1 5 8
11 W 2 10 18
12 2 -2 16
13 W 2 10 26
14 W 2 10 36
15 2 -2 34
16 3 -3 31
17 3 -3 28
18 W 3 15 43
19 3 -3 40
20 3 -3 37
21 5 -5 32
22 5 -5 27
23 5 -5 22
24 5 -5 17
25 5 -5 12
26 8 -8 4
27 8 -8 -4
28 8 -8 -12
29 W 8 40 28
30 8 -8 20
31 13 -13 7
32 13 -13 -6
33 W 13 65 59
34 1 -1 58
35 W 1 5 63


original bet target 100

Code Select Expand

spin L/W Prog win total
1 1 -1 -1
2 W 1 5 4
3 1 -1 3
4 1 -1 2
5 1 -1 1
6 W 1 5 6
7 1 -1 5
8 1 -1 4
9 1 -1 3
10 W 1 5 8
11 W 2 10 18
12 2 -2 16
13 W 2 10 26
14 W 2 10 36
15 2 -2 34
16 3 -3 31
17 3 -3 28
18 W 3 15 43
19 3 -3 40
20 3 -3 37
21 5 -5 32
22 5 -5 27
23 5 -5 22
24 5 -5 17
25 5 -5 12
26 8 -8 4
27 8 -8 -4
28 8 -8 -12
29 W 8 40 28
30 8 -8 20
31 13 -13 7
32 13 -13 -6
33 W 13 65 59
34 13 -13 46
35 W 13 65 111


[aleks06]

thanks for the trick.

have you figured out what is the best win target or not yet ?

[winkel]

Thanks for the trick.

have you figured out what is the best win target or not yet ?

We have one major problem:

Like in my examples if we have many early hits (7 hits in 18 spins) we might havenÂÃ,´t hit our target. But now we have to face a longer streak of non-hits.

If we continue the progression we will reach a very high level (possibly reaching table-limit) and big drawdown.

If we restart despite of having not reached our target we possibly can survive and win.

Thats what I call "gamblerÂÃ,´s intelligence"

br
winkel

[Fripper]

We have one major problem:

Like in my examples if we have many early hits (7 hits in 18 spins) we might havenÂÃ,´t hit our target. But now we have to face a longer streak of non-hits.

If we continue the progression we will reach a very high level (possibly reaching table-limit) and big drawdown.

If we restart despite of having not reached our target we possibly can survive and win.

that's what I call "gamblerÂÃ,´s intelligence"

br
winkel

Yes it comes down to how you see the game, there can't be rules for everything. One have to feel somethings yourself and watch for example if you have many hits in the beginning then do a full restart.

[vundarosa]

We have one major problem:

Like in my examples if we have many early hits (7 hits in 18 spins) we might havenÂÃ,´t hit our target. But now we have to face a longer streak of non-hits.

If we continue the progression we will reach a very high level (possibly reaching table-limit) and big drawdown.

If we restart despite of having not reached our target we possibly can survive and win.

that's what I call "gamblerÂÃ,´s intelligence"

br
winkel

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"If we restart despite of having not reached our target we possibly can survive and win."

Couldn't agree with you more here. I am playing with a 3000u BR and my highest fibo is 233u, if winning at 55, after early hits and close to profit generally drop a few steps down the progression....i don't usually do a complete reset/restart...

vundarosa

[winkel]

Hi vunderosa,

you will surely remember my words 

br
winkel

[warrior]

mr. winkle do you think the fibo would work on betting 2 dozenens at the same time


mr. winlke do you think the fibo would work on 2 dozens at the same time?

[winkel]

Mr. winkle do you think the fibo would work on betting 2 dozenens at the same time


mr. winlke do you think the fibo would work on 2 dozens at the same time?

Only if you play the progression o each doz separately.
But as I mentioned before: Prog is too steep for doz. and return is bad
br
winkel

[Wally Gator]

Winkel,

Since it appears there is no specific trigger for choosing which line to play, have you played this on all lines simultaneously after a hit on a line and then stop at your target?

Regards, WG

[winkel]

Hi WallyGator,

I play the same line since I started real money bets.

br
winkel

[Wally Gator]

Here's another possibility with lines.  Your thoughts?