win as much as you want

[daveylibra]

Hi Winkel!
I would love to know how to win like this flat-bet. Here are my 50 spins -

22, 24, 14, 30, 9, 12, 9, 32, 8, 16, 3, 36, 27, 25, 36, 28, 3, 2, 33, 31, 32, 25, 33, 26, 14, 27, 22, 4, 16, 3

13, 9, 3, 34, 32, 16, 26, 0, 25, 0, 29, 15, 27, 6, 24, 17, 4, 31, 23, 2

(from SuperCasino Live Dealer)

Cheers!

[denzie]

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30
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34
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33
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[ozon]

To limit the house edge as much as possible without having an edge in the selection bet.
The optimal choice of one  number will be the last number, the proof that this is a better selection than the random number is that with virtual limits in millions of simulations, with no repeat is max about 350 spins, as we know with random selestion numbers can go over 500 spins.

However, we will not gain the edge playing it flat, we will limit the losses but they will be.

[winkel]

Just as an appetizer:

If we had bet denzie´s sequence against daveylibra´s sequence:

Win in spin 29!
American progression: total bet: 435 win 1044 netwin 609 units
Flatbet: bet 29 win 36 netwin 7 units
double after 10spins: bet 66 units win 144 units net +78 units

your greed tells you which progression to bet and which amount of money you risc.

All other results are effects of your greed! If you wanna win more, you have to risc more, and you have to play longer sequences.
First of all counts your bankroll and if you look at my graphs: It is always possible to lose several time your whole bankrol before you start to win.

[6th-sense]

Don’t knock it until you have tried it...if you have ever seen William hill lightening roulette the dealer presses the button and 1 to 4 or more random numbers are picked..if you have a bet on them they increase the winnings from 50x to 500x.  If they come out...and they do plenty of times..that’s when you start hoping you have actually picked the dealers numbers becouse of hit rate  Although the odds are 30/1 on this table..there are many times these or one number on its own is hit..
So try it 1st and see what happens give winkel at least a few test before doubting him

[winkel]

Hi Winkel!
I would love to know how to win like this flat-bet. Here are my 50 spins -

22, 24, 14, 30, 9, 12, 9, 32, 8, 16, 3, 36, 27, 25, 36, 28, 3, 2, 33, 31, 32, 25, 33, 26, 14, 27, 22, 4, 16, 3

13, 9, 3, 34, 32, 16, 26, 0, 25, 0, 29, 15, 27, 6, 24, 17, 4, 31, 23, 2

(from SuperCasino Live Dealer)

Cheers!

spins of Table 5 Wiesbaden 2018 4th of June


results:
hit in spin 1 and hit in spin 23

flatbet:
after spin 1 +35
after spin 23 +49
after spin 50 +22

american progression
after spin 1 +35
after spin 23 +588
after spin 50 -411

stepped progression
after spin 1 +35
after spin 23 +138
after spin 50 -130

Denzies spins no hits.

[daveylibra]

so... with the 1st set (mine) flat-bet, stop at a win, +35
2nd set, (denzies) falt-bet, stop at a win, -50
Net result -15. Not win as much as you want?

[winkel]

so... with the 1st set (mine) flat-bet, stop at a win, +35
2nd set, (denzies) falt-bet, stop at a win, -50
Net result -15. Not win as much as you want?

How much do you wanna win?
How often do you wanna win?
What amount of chips do you wanna risk?
How much time do you have to get in Plus?
at what level is your greed?

[winkel]

To limit the house edge as much as possible without having an edge in the selection bet.
The optimal choice of one  number will be the last number, the proof that this is a better selection than the random number is that with virtual limits in millions of simulations, with no repeat is max about 350 spins, as we know with random selestion numbers can go over 500 spins.

However, we will not gain the edge playing it flat, we will limit the losses but they will be.

Hi ozon,

Why should any number hit less than the last number?
Pls tell reason and math behind this!

[ozon]

I do not know math theory, which supports it, but simulations.
Long ago, The General threw Kav forum analyzes the extent to which the number playing the last repetition, if this reduces the house edge.
But all the time I writes that it does not cause our advantage.

This is evidenced by extreme situations in simulations, if relaxation did not occur, series without repetition would not be shorter.

I had somewhere RX code even to play the last number with different progressions, they lost less, but always.

[winkel]

so... with the 1st set (mine) flat-bet, stop at a win, +35
2nd set, (denzies) falt-bet, stop at a win, -50
Net result -15. Not win as much as you want?

The question is how to resume.

Either daveylibra or denzie.

1. daveylibra: Restart with the new numbers collect in yesterdays game

2. denzie: same numbers as tried yesterday + new numbers from yesterday

It doesn´t matter if we start at the same table or choose a new table.

let´s try this:

both start a new game at table 3 of Wiesbaden today
and additional
we start also a game at table 5 of Wiesbaden.

[winkel]

I do not know math theory, which supports it, but simulations.
Long ago, The General threw Kav forum analyzes the extent to which the number playing the last repetition, if this reduces the house edge.
But all the time I writes that it does not cause our advantage.

This is evidenced by extreme situations in simulations, if relaxation did not occur, series without repetition would not be shorter.

I had somewhere RX code even to play the last number with different progressions, they lost less, but always.

The math is easy:
To hit with a random number at any spin is 1:37
to hit with a random number after a specific number is 1:1369
(it is the same to bet 36 after 36 as to bet 17 after 13 as to bet any number after any number)

[vladir]

I do not know math theory, which supports it, but simulations.
Long ago, The General threw Kav forum analyzes the extent to which the number playing the last repetition, if this reduces the house edge.
But all the time I writes that it does not cause our advantage.

This is evidenced by extreme situations in simulations, if relaxation did not occur, series without repetition would not be shorter.

I had somewhere RX code even to play the last number with different progressions, they lost less, but always.

I have simulated this. Losing streaks are shorter when playing the last, it misses max of around 350 spins. In my simulations, a number could sleep for around 700 spins. But still there is no progression that survives 350 spins.

[winkel]

In my simulations, a number could sleep for around 700 spins.

I hope you noticed that this doesn´t bet any particular single number but bets every spin any other number.
And:
We don´t play a plein-system we just bet a progression on plein-chance

[winkel]

let´s have a look at today´s results:
(I only give results for american progression

denzie´s numbers at table 3:
1. hit spin 14 result +399
2. hit spin 34 result +1133
3. hit spin 36 result +2358
at spin 50 : +1784

denzie´s numbers at table 5:
1. hit spin 15 result +420
2. hit spin 33 result +1167
at spin 50 +453

(Yesterdays losses: 1275)
It is not necessarily so that numbers hit next day when they have lost the day befor. So your wins always depend on your greed and courage!

daveylibra:
numbers from table 5 yesterday vs. table 5 today:
1. hit at spin 49 result +539
at spin 50 +489

numbers from table 5 yesterday vs. table 3 today:
no hits loss -1275

daveylibra numbers against table 5 today:
1. hit spin 22 +539
2. hit spin 25 +1367
3. hit spin 45 +2277
at spin 50 +2037

hope I didn´t mix up. I´ll have a check