win as much as you want

[Wally Gator]

Got it.  Thanks, Winkel.  I was having such good results using the 100 units as a stop/loss I needed to re-read your post.

Why are your posts not showing up?  It appears there is a problem with many of your posts.

Did you have an average number of spins for the streets on hitting the stop/win of 233?

Thanks again,

Wally

[jon86]

I didnt see the first post in tread.

Can someone maiby explain?

Cheers

Jon

[intermax]

1st post by winkel: (thanks google)
"Hi,

the title is provocative but true. 

If you wanna win a fortune to have to bet a fortune
If you wanna win a reasonable amount you have to bet a reasonable amount

Now what is main stream of this?

I have detected a formula for all chances which will win in long term. 

this formula has no effect on ECs, but on Doz/col, double-streets and streets. 
It is very complicated on splits and straight numbers. 

It needs a bankroll of more than 3000 units at the table and about 10000 units to be on the secure site. 

We all know that any betseletion will lead us to the probability that our selected chance will sleep that long that our flat bet or pogressions will not win longterm. 

The solution would be to find a progression to win the latest possible appearance of our selected chance or to win so much in all other cases that a bust wouldnÂÃ,´t do us any harm. 

This means to take advantage of  reapperances in short terms and recovering in late appearances. 

more later

br winkel
"

5th post also missing:

"First of all I donÂÃ,´t test strategies without refering to the table-limits.

Limits like some Online Casinos min ,5 max 20 are redicoulous.  So I refer to real table-limits in B&M or in Online Casinos like Betvoyager which are quite fair.

br
winkel"

[jon86]

1st post by winkel: (thanks google)
"Hi,

the title is provocative but true. 

If you wanna win a fortune to have to bet a fortune
If you wanna win a reasonable amount you have to bet a reasonable amount

Now what is main stream of this?

I have detected a formula for all chances which will win in long term. 

this formula has no effect on ECs, but on Doz/col, double-streets and streets. 
It is very complicated on splits and straight numbers. 

It needs a bankroll of more than 3000 units at the table and about 10000 units to be on the secure site. 

We all know that any betseletion will lead us to the probability that our selected chance will sleep that long that our flat bet or pogressions will not win longterm. 

The solution would be to find a progression to win the latest possible appearance of our selected chance or to win so much in all other cases that a bust wouldnÂÃ,´t do us any harm. 

This means to take advantage of  reapperances in short terms and recovering in late appearances. 

more later

br winkel
"

5th post also missing:

"First of all I donÂÃ,´t test strategies without refering to the table-limits.

Limits like some Online Casinos min ,5 max 20 are redicoulous.  So I refer to real table-limits in B&M or in Online Casinos like Betvoyager which are quite fair.

br
winkel"

Thanks.

But where can i find the rules since it was not here?

Thanks for the help

Cheers

Jon

[winkel]

Hi,

it is quite easy:

Double-Streets: you bet 1 -  payout is 6 - result 5

so use Fibonacci-Progression prolonged by 5:
so bet 5 times 1 unit
bet 5 times 1 unit
bet 5 times 2
5 times 3
5 times 5
5 times 8
... etc.

e.g. Streets - net payout 11
11 times 1
11 times 1
11 times 2
11 times 3
etc.

win as much as you want (as is reasonable).

br
winkel

[jon86]

Hi,

it is quite easy:

Double-Streets: you bet 1 -  payout is 6 - result 5

so use Fibonacci-Progression prolonged by 5:
so bet 5 times 1 unit
bet 5 times 1 unit
bet 5 times 2
5 times 3
5 times 5
5 times 8
... etc.

e.g. Streets - net payout 11
11 times 1
11 times 1
11 times 2
11 times 3
etc.

win as much as you want (as is reasonable).

br
winkel

Thanks

Do you still play it ?

Jon

[winkel]

Of course!

only this month I won 15000 units

br
winkel

[jon86]

Of course!

only this month I won 15000 units

br
winkel

Thats realy nice to hear

Can you explain the full rules about the progression and bet?

I am a newbie and bad english 

Cheers

Jon

[winkel]

Just bet the progression.
Stop when you reached your target or table-limit

There are no rules.

br
winkel

[dennisbelle]

How are you selecting the street or double street to play?

[winkel]

Use any you like.
You got the chance of 1 out of 6 to bet on a losing one (for DoubleStreets)
If you wanna select for psychological reasons: Bet on farthest back after any sum of spins you like to watch.

br
winkel

[jon86]

I dont understand how this can win?

It must be more than only what you said.

What to do if i have bet 5 times 1 unit and start next to bet 5 times and not win and move on to next level and when i win first i am still in - balance?

Cheers

Jon

[winkel]

Code Select Expand

Spin perm DS 2 prog res bankroll
1 34 2 1 -1
2 29 2 1 -2
3 13 2 1 -3
4 7 2 1 win 2 did you win enough?
5 14 2 1 1
6 13 2 1 0
7 1 2 1 -1
8 29 2 1 -2
9 10 2 1 win 3 did you win enough?
10 21 2 1 2
11 16 2 2 0
12 3 2 2 -2
13 28 2 2 -4
14 28 2 2 -6
15 26 2 2 -8
16 13 2 3 -11
17 29 2 3 -14
18 21 2 3 -17
19 6 2 3 -20
20 11 2 3 win -5
21 2 2 3 -8
22 10 2 3 win 7 did you win enough?
23 6 2 3 4
24 3 2 3 1
25 23 2 3 -2
26 8 2 3 win 13 did you win enough?
27 4 2 5 8
28 7 2 5 win 33 did you win enough?
29 16 2 5 28
30 0 2 5 23
31 15 2 5 18
32 3 2 8 10
33 31 2 8 2
34 23 2 8 -6
35 36 2 8 -14
36 29 2 8 -22
37 0 2 13 -35
38 12 2 13 win 30 did you win enough?
39 20 2 13 17
40 18 2 13 4
41 8 2 13 win 69 did you win enough?
42 25 2 21 48
43 8 2 21 win 153 did you win enough?


[mogwai]

Hello Winkel.

I did a 10.000 real Dublinbet spins test on DS like this:

After the first 65 spins I checked which DS showed the greater loss, and in the next 65 I played that one.

If all 6 DSs showed profit in the previous 65 spins I did not bet in any of them for the next 65 spins etc

It ended +825 units.

My Best Regards

[jon86]

Code Select Expand

Spin perm DS 2 prog res bankroll
1 34 2 1 -1
2 29 2 1 -2
3 13 2 1 -3
4 7 2 1 win 2 did you win enough?
5 14 2 1 1
6 13 2 1 0
7 1 2 1 -1
8 29 2 1 -2
9 10 2 1 win 3 did you win enough?
10 21 2 1 2
11 16 2 2 0
12 3 2 2 -2
13 28 2 2 -4
14 28 2 2 -6
15 26 2 2 -8
16 13 2 3 -11
17 29 2 3 -14
18 21 2 3 -17
19 6 2 3 -20
20 11 2 3 win -5
21 2 2 3 -8
22 10 2 3 win 7 did you win enough?
23 6 2 3 4
24 3 2 3 1
25 23 2 3 -2
26 8 2 3 win 13 did you win enough?
27 4 2 5 8
28 7 2 5 win 33 did you win enough?
29 16 2 5 28
30 0 2 5 23
31 15 2 5 18
32 3 2 8 10
33 31 2 8 2
34 23 2 8 -6
35 36 2 8 -14
36 29 2 8 -22
37 0 2 13 -35
38 12 2 13 win 30 did you win enough?
39 20 2 13 17
40 18 2 13 4
41 8 2 13 win 69 did you win enough?
42 25 2 21 48
43 8 2 21 win 153 did you win enough?


Thanks

So we bet the same DS all the time until + balance ?

Jon