win as much as you want

[Fripper]

"Session 85 : +1181, 67 spins (-1492) *377"

Fripper,
   If your win goal is 55 units how did you end up with 1181 units in session 85?

If I'm down -1492 units and win, but not in profit yet, then I continue with the progression. In this case I think I was not in profit (down a couple of hundred units) and did bet 377 units and won, therefore I got a high win in the end.

As winkel said : "The more you risk, the more you win"

In every session I stop if I am up more than 55 units or close to it. For example, if I'm betting 89 units or more and get a some wins and I'm up like 40 or 50 units, then I stop there. Winkel may do differently tho, but I like it tht way.

Hope that answered your question.

[winkel]

@ Mr Winkel

Can you be so kind to explain why this method should work in the long run?
Do you have a mathematical solution why it does work?

The reason I ask is because I think that this is a very nice method.

Maybe you have explained earlier in one of your posts, but some of them are gone.

Cheers

Hi Fripper,

The main idea is:

- to have a progression that is as long as the longest possible not apperaing of a DS (or street)
- if we meet a DS not showing for e.g. 65 times, we expect, that it will appear now as a favorite, that means hitting more than once in 5 bets. Mostly a DS is less appearing than it should and becomes then a favorite.

- every win in between:
--if we hit once in a stage of the progression this stage ends up with 0 means no loss no win.
-- if we hit twice in a stage: one win pays back the bet-amount for this stage and the second pays back several stages that were lost before

eg. the first 5 stages had no win:
-5
-5
-10
-15
-25
total loss of 60units
win in first bet next stage 8units pays 48 net 40: equalizes the first 4 lost stages and a small plus of 5 and remaining loss of 25
every second win in bet 2-5 gives a back the betamount for that stage.

remains 1 lost stage of 25 units
any next dobule win (in one stage) pays our target.

Do you see what I mean?

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winkel

[Fripper]

Hi winkel.

Thanks for your explanation. I see what you mean and I understand that.

Now, how do you play this?
Do you always wait 65 spins and see what the less hit DS is and then bet on it with an 65 stage progression?
Or, do you just start with any DS at any time?

I have played like the last one.

I like the concept of this, it gives nice winnings and return of investment.

/Fripper

[winkel]

Do you always wait 65 spins and see what the less hit DS is and then bet on it with an 65 stage progression?
Or, do you just start with any DS at any time?
/Fripper

both ways will do

but waiting for a loser mostly shows you 5 winning DSs

That is another fact: normally you have a chance to win 1: 6
with this progression selecting any you have a chance to lose by 1:6

it is like a change of the odds

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winkel

[joiner29]

do you play RNG or live

[winkel]

Do you play RNG or live

mostly RNG, because I have balls for 1ct but not for 2 Euros minimum

[dennisbelle]

"If I'm down -1492 units and win, but not in profit yet, then I continue with the progression. In this case I think I was not in profit (down a couple of hundred units) and did bet 377 units and won, therefore I got a high win in the end."

Fripper,
   If you were down 200 units and you won a 377 unit bet (your highest bet in session 85) then you would be up 177 units and reached your target so I don't understand how you ended session 85 up 1181 units?

[Fripper]

Fripper,
  If you were down 200 units and you won a 377 unit bet (your highest bet in session 85) then you would be up 177 units and reached your target so I don't understand how you ended session 85 up 1181 units?

First, I don't know the exact numbers but I was down say some hundred units. For example, if I'm down 200 units and win a 377 unit bet.
377 * net 5 = 1885 units

So I will be +1685 or something like that.

Hope you see what I mean.

[winkel]

377 units on DS pays 2262 net 1885

every win in further stages gives that result.
or he could have won 2 or three times betting 377 and that pushed him up.

see my explanation some posts before.

br
winkel

[Fripper]

both ways will do

but waiting for a loser mostly shows you 5 winning DSs

That is another fact: normally you have a chance to win 1: 6
with this progression selecting any you have a chance to lose by 1:6

it is like a change of the odds

br
winkel

Ok thanks again.

I will just choose any DS to start with, as I have until now.

Change the odds, hmm, I like that  

[dennisbelle]

"377 * net 5 = 1885 units"

Ok I understand!

[winkel]

"377 * net 5 = 1885 units"

Ok I understand!

see also repy #43 for game-example

[dennisbelle]

"16   13   2   3      -11   
17   29   2   3      -14   
18   21   2   3      -17   
19   6   2   3      -20   
20   11   2   3   win   -5   
21   2   2   3      -8   
22   10   2   3   win   7   did you win enough?
23   6   2   3      4   
24   3   2   3      1   
25   23   2   3      -2   
26   8   2   3   win   13   did you win enough?"

Winkel,
  Why did you make the 3 unit bet 11 times rather than 5 times?

[joiner29]

is betvoyager the only casino that allows 1c play or is their others

[winkel]

"16   13   2   3      -11   
17   29   2   3      -14   
18   21   2   3      -17   
19   6   2   3      -20   
20   11   2   3   win   -5   
21   2   2   3      -8   
22   10   2   3   win   7   did you win enough?
23   6   2   3      4   
24   3   2   3      1   
25   23   2   3      -2   
26   8   2   3   win   13   did you win enough?"

Winkel,
  Why did you make the 3 unit bet 11 times rather than 5 times?

Upps!

Sorry mistake in formula of Excel-Sheet.

br
winkel