win as much as you want

[aleks06]

I have lost 5192 units after 76 spins.

a bankroll a little bigger would have not crashed.

[aleks06]

Choose DS 1
wingoal at least 25 units

* = highest bet

Bankroll : 5000 units

Session 201 : +25, 20 spins (4997) *3
Session 202 : +48, 25 spins (4989) *5
Session 203 : +28, 26 spins (4968) *8
Session 204 : +25, 18 spins (4988) *3
Session 205 : +49, 31 spins (4944) *13
Session 206 : +96, 36 spins (4926) *21
Session 207 : +25, 18 spins (4991) *3
Session 208 : +26, 21 spins (4996) *5
Session 209 : +425, 66 spins (2375) *610
Session 210 : +48, 32 spins (4972) *13
Session 211 : +22, 34 spins (4918) *13
Session 212 : +45, 37 spins (4922) *21
Session 213 : +26, 13 spins (4997) *2
Session 214 : +433, 52 spins (4543) *89
Session 215 : +34, 23 spins (4984) *5
Session 216 : +28, 15 spins (4990) *2
Session 217 : +42, 28 spins (4992) *8
Session 218 : +22, 23 spins (4997) *5
Session 219 : +39, 22 spins (4989) *5
Session 220 : +28, 12 spins (4999) *2

Total = +1514

Total = +22729

[aleks06]

Choose DS 1
wingoal at least 25 units

* = highest bet

Bankroll : 5000 units

Session 221 : +57, 39 spins (4952) *21
Session 222 : +55, 3 spins (4950) *13
Session 223 : +32, 21 spins (4986) *5
Session 224 : +20, 21 spins (4995) *5
Session 225 : -5000, 72 spins () *610 CRASH
Session 226 : +32, 30 spins (4961) *8
Session 227 : +19, 18 spins (4992) *3
Session 228 : +226, 57 spins (4506) *144
Session 229 : +24, 14 spins (4998) *2
Session 230 : +84, 51 spins (4474) *89
Session 231 : +22, 26 spins (4982) *8
Session 232 : +38, 30 spins (4958) *8
Session 233 : +18, 14 spins (4998) *2
Session 234 : +38, 27 spins (4956) *8
Session 235 : +18, 40 spins (4913) *21
Session 236 : +19, 20 spins (4995) *3
Session 237 : +18, 40 spins (4850) *21
Session 238 : +26, 13 spins (4999) *2
Session 239 : +28, 17 spins (4992) *3
Session 240 : +38, 27 spins (4986) *8

Total = -4188

Total = +18541

[aleks06]

Choose DS 1
wingoal at least 25 units

* = highest bet

Bankroll : 5000 units

Session 241 : +279, 80 spins (344) *987
Session 242 : +68, 27 spins (4980) *8
Session 243 : +22, 19 spins (4998) *3
Session 244 : +22, 15 spins (4992) *2
Session 245 : +21, 22 spins (4996) *5
Session 246 : +28, 26 spins (4982) *8
Session 247 : +22, 29 spins (4942) *8
Session 248 : +27, 22 spins (4998) *5
Session 249 : +24, 14 spins (5000) *2
Session 250 : +124, 45 spins (4784) *34
Session 251 : +26, 27 spins (4984) *8
Session 252 : +70, 34 spins (4953) *13
Session 253 : +24, 32 spins (4932) *13
Session 254 : +29, 24 spins (4984) *5
Session 255 : +28, 19 spins (4988) *3
Session 256 : +19, 20 spins (4989) *3
Session 257 : +60, 43 spins (4874) *34
Session 258 : +22, 17 spins (4997) *3
Session 259 : +40, 23 spins (4983) *5
Session 260 : +248, 47 spins (4698) *55

Total = +1203

Total = +19744

[Fripper]

Hi winkel

I have to say that I think that we shall play with more risk. Because as you said, the more you risk the more you win. With this progression that's very true. After my 100 sessions with a wingoal of around 50 units I have won on average 122 units/session. That's very nice.

As you see when aleks06 tested with a lower wingoal he had much lower profit, and the losing sessions still come. I believe in risking more to earn more. We all know that we will lose sessions, the thing is to win as much as possible between those losing sessions. This progression delivers just that.  

What do you think is the best wingoal?

[vundarosa]

Hi winkel

I have to say that I think that we shall play with more risk. Because as you said, the more you risk the more you win. With this progression that's very true. After my 100 sessions with a wingoal of around 50 units I have won on average 122 units/session. That's very nice.

As you see when aleks06 tested with a lower wingoal he had much lower profit, and the losing sessions still come. I believe in risking more to earn more. We all know that we will lose sessions, the thing is to win as much as possible between those losing sessions. This progression delivers just that.  

What do you think is the best wingoal?

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and also after how many banks would you double your unit value, if ever?

vundarosa

[winkel]

Hi Fripper,
Hi Aleks,

that's a question of grind  

I made some tests.
680 days of Wiesbaden
1 attack per day

first picture: DS1 to DS6 results for win-target 25

as you can see there is only one DS losing at a day never 2
from law of third: 4 are winning "long-term"

[winkel]

Same for a win target of 50

But you can see: More crashes than at target 25

[winkel]

Then I took the worst DS #6 and checked some win-targets:

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targets 1 2 3 5 10 25 50
results 11591 14723 -90562 -74251 -51901 -221055 -328156


So we could have brought even the badest DS to a winner.

In the picture you can see, that a higher targe would bring you not that massive recovery.

The reason:
If you have to play 50 spins to get 1 unit, you will gain 60 units.
This is equal to all other targets. If you donÂÃ,´t get 1 you donÂÃ,´t get 10. But in the end in both targets you will gain 60!

[Fripper]

In these tests I can see that every loss is around 100000 units. Why not test with a 5000 unit bank?

How many spins did you test?

Yes, 25 would produce less losses than 50 unit target, but also much less profit.

"So we could have brought even the badest DS to a winner."

Do you mean that if we had a win target of 2 units/session we would have won 14723 units in those 680 days?

[winkel]

Hi Fripper,

I donÂÃ,´t count the spins. but there are maximum 115 spins bet per day.

I do these tests under extrem conditions:
highest bet is table limit of betv. unlimited bankroll.

Yes with target 2 we would have won 14723 units.

br
winkel

[winkel]

I made the same with the wining DS #4 and took some higher targets as well:

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targets 2 144 89 5 10 25 50
results 21926 -208818 150613 41912 81081 156830 84142


[aleks06]

thanks for the answer winkel  

Then I took the worst DS #6 and checked some win-targets:

Code Select Expand

targets 1 2 3 5 10 25 50
results 11591 14723 -90562 -74251 -51901 -221055 -328156


So we could have brought even the badest DS to a winner.

In the picture you can see, that a higher targe would bring you not that massive recovery.

The reason:
If you have to play 50 spins to get 1 unit, you will gain 60 units.
This is equal to all other targets. If you donÂÃ,´t get 1 you donÂÃ,´t get 10. But in the end in both targets you will gain 60!

so the conclusion is to play with a lower win target ( 2 ? )

[winkel]

Thanks for the answer winkel  



so the conclusion is to play with a lower win target ( 2 ? )

Not really! IÂÃ,´m thinking about a kind of mixing targets, but IÂÃ,´m not sure yet.

Could be like this:
- when I start betting and have a early hit, I restart. target would be any Plus. So I collect every win. small but win.
-  If I reach higher Prog-state I donÂÃ,´t stop at +1 or +5 but try to hit a higher Plus. This could be min. half of bet-size but max. of ??

Just thinking no testing so far.

br
winkel

[aleks06]

that sounds good.

anyway when high progressions are reached we always end up with a good profit.