win as much as you want

[winkel]

Seems to be very complicated to bet.

I made a sheet with the same spins: Target >20units per line

first column spins
sec. col. total br
3rd to last line 1 to 6

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36 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 5
24 0 -2 -2 -2 4 -2 4
13 0 -3 -3 3 3 -3 3
2 0 2 -4 2 2 -4 2
8 0 1 1 1 1 -5 1
29 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
19 0 -1 -1 -1 5 -1 -1
32 0 -2 -2 -2 4 -2 4
35 0 -3 -3 -3 3 -3 9
33 0 -4 -4 -4 2 -4 14
33 0 -6 -6 -6 0 -6 24
5 2 4 -8 -8 -2 -8 24
22 4 2 -10 -10 8 -10 24
23 6 0 -12 -12 18 -12 24
32 -4 -2 -14 -14 16 -14 24
13 -1 -5 -17 1 13 -17 24
35 -16 -8 -20 -2 10 -20 24
25 -13 -11 -23 -5 7 -5 24
6 -10 4 -26 -8 4 -8 24
8 -7 1 -11 -11 1 -11 24
7 -2 -4 14 -16 -4 -16 24
10 3 -9 39 -21 -9 -21 24
17 13 -14 39 4 -14 -26 24
6 23 11 39 -1 -19 -31 24
11 3 6 39 -6 -24 -36 24
36 -29 -2 39 -14 -32 -44 24
5 -13 38 39 -22 -40 -52 24
36 -37 38 39 -30 -48 -60 24
26 -13 38 39 -38 -56 -20 24
6 -37 38 39 -46 -64 -28 24
9 -76 38 39 -59 -77 -41 24
32 -115 38 39 -72 -90 -54 24
10 -154 38 39 -85 -103 -67 24
36 -193 38 39 -98 -116 -80 24
30 -154 38 39 -111 -129 -15 24
18 -91 38 39 -6 -150 -36 24
14 -28 38 39 99 -171 -57 24
13 -70 38 39 99 -192 -78 24
17 -112 38 39 99 -213 -99 24
12 -154 38 39 99 -234 -120 24
25 -18 38 39 99 -268 50 24
21 152 38 39 99 -98 50 24
17 118 38 39 99 -132 50 24
23 288 38 39 99 38 50 24


[GLC]

Mr. winkle do you think the fibo would work on betting 2 dozenens at the same time


mr. winlke do you think the fibo would work on 2 dozens at the same time?

Winkel,

Please forgive me for interupting your topic.  I just have a thought for warrior.

Warrior,

I too have been thinking about how to best play this on dozens.  As Winkel said, it's a little riskier than on lines, but I have been testing a thought and it seems to work pretty well on 2 dozens if you have a 3-5000 unit bank.

We use the following progression.  We stay at a level until we lose at that level, at which time we go to the next level, or we recover all our losses and have a plus balance.
1-1
2-2
4-4
7-7
11-11
16-16
22-22
29-29
etc...

the progression is determined by
adding 1st 1 to 1-1 which = 2-2.
Then add 2 to 2-2 = 4-4.
Then add 3 to 4-4 = 7-7.
Then add 4 to 7-7 = 11-11.
Then add 5 to 11-11 = 16-16.
continue  adding previous amount +1 to each level to get your next bet amount.

I first started playing this by just increasing each double bet by 2 units and keep increasing each spin whether you win or lose.  That works okay also, but the progression I gave tends to replicate the fibo more closely.

The reason I thought to increase by 2 each bet is if with lines we bet each amount by the payoff of 5:1 and the payoff for 2 dozens is 1:2 then instead of betting each level by 2 which is correct for a single dozen, we would have to bet each level 1/2 a time which can't be done, so we just increase by 2 for each bet and we are staying close to the ratio Winkel suggests.

I have tested this 5 times and have won 100 units each time.  The most I have had to bet was 67 on each dozen.  I've never been down  even 300 units yet.

Test it both ways.  I'm sure there's a way to play this that will suit everyone.

Winkel don't put out no junk.  But like he said.  You have to be willing to bet money to win money.

LOL,

GLC

[GLC]

One more comment.

I prefer this progression. 1-1; 3-3; 6-6; 10-10; 15-15; etc...  The difference is that our next bet after losing 1-1 is 3-3 instead of 2-2.  The reason is that we win the next spin so often that betting 3-3 adds more than it costs. 

From there we just keeping adding last increase amount +1 to the bet sizes and put that on each dozen.  This doesn't make that much difference as far as bet sizes goes, but it does make a difference for the number of units accumulated. 

I'm actually considering playing 1-1; 3-3; 9-9; and then increase by 3 for the next bet and then +1 to the last increase number from then on.  Most of our accumulated units are from the +1's we win while betting 1-1.  After 9-9, we're just trying to recover so we can get back to winning level.

If we want to grind it out and keep our bets as low as possible, we should play the 1-1; 2-2; 4-4; 7-7; etc... progression with this caveat.  Once we win if our next bet will put us well over our previous high, we can drop the size of our bet to just recover bock to even or +1.

It all depends on your comfort level.

George

PS  Just played 2 more sessions to +100 using the 1-1; 3-3; 6-6; 10-10; etc progression on a double zero wheel.  Never had to bet more than 21-21.. I'm sure I'm being very lucky.  If not, Katy-bar-the-door.

[Red Nickels]

I just want to know why you have all these weird A things when you write (like "...that's what I call "gamblerÂÃ,´s intelligence") and I also want to know what the "br" over your name (br
winkel) means.  these are the burning questions I have about your system posts.  the rest of you can have fun progressing yourselves out of all your savings till you don't have a pot to pee in.

[Tomla021]

well thats a thought--but light professions have worked for me

[Red Nickels]

which light professions have you been in that have worked well for you?  do you mean like a desk job as opposed to being a landscaper or something like that?

by the way the description of this section says "Flat bets.  No progressions.  Your flat betting methods go here."  but I guess people just don't notice these things.

[Red Nickels]

and winkel I still want to know what's up with the weird A's and what does "br" over your name mean?  this is what I really want to learn from this thread (in this flat bet no progression section.)  also one more question-- you don't actually play these systems for real money, do you?

[jon86]

Winkel.

Can you post the hole Fibo progression with the stepps we use?

Cheers

Jon

[GLC]

Winkel.

Can you post the hole Fibo progression with the stepps we use?

Cheers

Jon

Jon my friend,  since Winkel's often not available, I'll answer for him.

The fibonacci progression is as follows:
1-1-2-3-5-8-13-21-34-55-89-144-233 etc...

It is figured by adding the last 2 steps together which gives the next bet:
1+1=2;  1+2=3; 2+3=5; 3+5=8; 5+8=13; 8+13=21; etc 
You can go as high as you  can afford or until table limits.

In reply #7 Winkel indicated that he only went to bet 233 and then took the loss.

Good Luck,

G

[jon86]

Thanks GLC

Jon

[jon86]

GLC

So we use five stepp on each stepp of the progression?

Example:
1111122222?

Jon

[Fripper]

GLC

So we use five stepp on each stepp of the progression?

Example:
1111122222?

Jon

Yes, but the "1" is two times so it goes like this:

1111111111222223333355555888881313131313....

[jon86]

Yes, but the "1" is two times so it goes like this:

1111111111222223333355555888881313131313....

Yes i forgot

Thanks:)

Jon

[jon86]

When i am in high stepp on the progression and win but i am still in a negative balance do i just keep on betting the next stepp of progression or do i go down in the progression?

Jon

[Fripper]

You just follow the progression every time until you have reached your wingoal.
Don't go up and down in the progression when you lose/win.