win as much as you want

[birdhands]

My bad; I missed the part about the 10,000 unit bankroll.  Amazing system.  One can begin on the BV no zero with a 100 unit bankroll and .01 bets; in 100 hours or so they would hit 1000 units and .10 bets and it all would become exponential from there.  Very nice.

[Moxy]

I don't get the progression.  Just keep going up the Fibonacci prog until you reach your stop-win? 

Don't go down at all?  Just keep going up - win or lose?

1-1-1-1  2-2-2-2  3-3-3-3  5-5-5-5  8-8-8-8  13-13-13-13  21-21-21-21  34-34-34-34  55-55-55-55

89-89-89-89 and so on so forth...

Thanks in advance for reply.

[Juiced91]

I don't get the progression.  Just keep going up the Fibonacci prog until you reach your stop-win? 

Don't go down at all?  Just keep going up - win or lose?

1-1-1-1  2-2-2-2  3-3-3-3  5-5-5-5  8-8-8-8  13-13-13-13  21-21-21-21  34-34-34-34  55-55-55-55

89-89-89-89 and so on so forth...

Thanks in advance for reply.

Yup eventually when you win on a progression you gonna be in profit in excess of 200units or more and thats when you stop if you want a 1000units you carry on hence "win as much as you want" maybe you only want 50units and you stop when you there.

[mogwai]

Hello Winkel and friends,

Just wanted to ask if you still find that the optimal win limit for DS is 89 units.

Also in your opinion which is the optimal length of the progression.

For example in various tests I performed I found that if I use an 85 steps progression it would lead to great results, while for the sane spins a 80 or 90 length prog would lead to dissaster...

You set some kind of  a limit?

My Best Reagrds

[birdhands]

If you read through the entire thread you'll see where Winkel tested a lot of bad number sets and came to the conclusion that the optimal win goal per session is +2, meaning start over on the progression as soon as +2 is reached.  Also you should have at least a 10k bank, and preferably a 20k bank.

[xxlakis]

Even so i had sessions with a DS sleeping 40 spins that means you could go deep in the progression.I don't know optimal length for progression but 89 is too short.I personally use 80 steps and so far i am winning more than i am losing.I'll run it with 85 steps on a few thousands spins to see how it does.Well i have the feeling that in the end it's always matter of luck and 5 more steps mean less loses but heavier.

[mogwai]

Thanks for the info birdhands, I saw that post of Winkel now!

I guess I have to re-adjust my test parameters though to what Winkel says, because if I understand correctly, after 40 steps he restarts the prog, and continues betting hoping to avoid big gaps between outcomes.

@xxlakis
I used 85 steps prog in my tests with optimal results. If I got to +89units and above I restarted the prog, else kept betting until it busted or won those 89 units.

My Best Regards

[birdhands]

Even so i had sessions with a DS sleeping 40 spins that means you could go deep in the progression.I don't know optimal length for progression but 89 is too short.I personally use 80 steps and so far i am winning more than i am losing.I'll run it with 85 steps on a few thousands spins to see how it does.Well i have the feeling that in the end it's always matter of luck and 5 more steps mean less loses but heavier.

I don't understand exactly what you mean here.  Are you saying that you think it is better to go for a win above 89 units before resetting the progression?
Have you busted the progression at 80 steps?
I would certainly be interested in hearing about your testing with 85 steps.  I think the key to this whole method is having a huge bankroll and a lot of patience (or a bot).

[birdhands]

if I understand correctly, after 40 steps he restarts the prog, and continues betting hoping to avoid big gaps between outcomes.

I didn't see this.  I'll look for it.  Doesn't make sense to me yet...

[birdhands]

We can go 85 steps (actually 17 progression steps, 85 spins) on the progression with a little over 20,000 units (assuming the DS sleeps the full 85 spins).  The BV max will let us go over 90; but our bankroll would need to be much bigger...


step    bet      bankroll
16     987     
17     1597    20,810
18     2584    33,730
19     4181    54,635


keep in mind that these bankroll requirements would only be necessary in the extremely unlikely chance of the DS sleeping all the way (80+ spins).  Normally we get a hit every now and then, just not enough to get us into profit.  So we could play conservatively as well, by resetting the progression once we've hit, not all the way back, just far enough to get us +2 on another hit; this way we can play longer and are more likely to survive the run from hell.


**don't forget the BV max goes much higher than 3000:1, because we can bet the DS and each of the 6 numbers, and the 2 streets, and the 3 splits...this system can be the ultimate grind.

[birdhands]

I didn't see this.  I'll look for it.  Doesn't make sense to me yet...

I can't find what you are referring to here.  Can you help me out?

[mogwai]

I didn't see this.  I'll look for it.  Doesn't make sense to me yet...

Forget about that, I misunderstood Winkel's post about permanent restart...

[Moxy]

Hi Fripper,

If you don't mind me asking belatedly, which online casino did you play at and are you still winning?

[Moxy]

Hi Winkel, thanks for sharing.

Starting with a 5000 unit bank. Choose DS 3
wingoal 55 units

* = highest bet

Session 1 : +66, 36 spins (-65) *21
Session 2 : +237, 54 spins (-564) *89
Session 3 : +72, 36 spins (-33) *21
Session 4 : +64, 29 spins (-40) *8
Session 5 : +58, 34 spins (-86) *13
Session 6 : +160, 45 spins (-183) *34
Session 7 : +91, 52 spins (-430) *89
Session 8 : +64, 23 spins (-7) *5
Session 9 : +60, 32 spins (-56) *13
Session 10 : +352, 56 spins (-635) *144
Session 11 : +46, 56 spins (-674) *144
Session 12 : +90, 32 spins (-2) *13
Session 13 : +85, 31 spins (-20) *13
Session 14 : +58, 19 spins (0) *3
Session 15 : +120, 49 spins (-430) *55
Session 16 : +86, 44 spins (-186) *34
Session 17 : +129, 39 spins (-65) *21
Session 18 : +340, 58 spins (-1100) *144
Session 19 : +50, 44 spins (-120) *34
Session 20 : +180, 68 spins (-1705) *377

Total = +2408 units

Hi Fripper,

If you don't mind me asking belatedly, which online casino did you play at and are you still winning?

[Moxy]

Choose DS 1
wingoal around 50 units

* = highest bet

Bankroll : 5000 units

Session 101 : +66, 32 spins (4958) *13
Session 102 : +54, 25 spins (5000) *5
Session 103 : +65, 33 spins (4986) *13
Session 104 : +52, 26 spins (4977) *8
Session 105 : +129, 54 spins (4417) *89
Session 106 : +48, 28 spins (4989) *8
Session 107 : +54, 28 spins (4980) *8
Session 108 : +321, 54 spins (4431) *89
Session 109 : +56, 47 spins (4781) *55
Session 110 : +58, 26 spins (4986) *8
Session 111 : +370, 56 spins (4383) *144
Session 112 : +65, 33 spins (4945) *13
Session 113 : +54, 28 spins (4998) *8
Session 114 : +84, 36 spins (4966) *21
Session 115 : +56, 27 spins (4979) *8
Session 116 : +48, 32 spins (4964) *13
Session 117 : +98, 32 spins (4957) *13
Session 118 : +61, 31 spins (4964) *13
Session 119 : +45, 22 spins (4995) *5
Session 120 : +91, 48 spins (4596) *55

Total = +1875

Total = +14805

Hi Aleks,

If you don't mind me asking belatedly, which online casino did you play at and are you still winning