EXPERIMENTAL IDEAS FOR PRO PLAY

[XXVV]

These are very exciting times with a lot of very worthwhile research and testing underway.

At this stage I am taking a month or more out to comprehensively research and develop the very best bets that can be found and  to summarise the principles of professional self management and money management.

My goal is to use this Forum and the threads in which I am involved to assemble and order this material and publish it.

This thread as the Workshop Thread is probably the best outlet.

In setting this out with pros and cons,  this will primarily be done to clear my own thinking, eliminate any confusion or misunderstandings, and prioritise the best and most effective ways to generate consistent profit.

In helping myself thus and sharing it I will be able to help others, so it is a win win. Thats the stated intention. It will take several weeks to assemble and the ongoing research by some writers/ researchers/ players is worth waiting for as well.

What will remain private is where a colleague has requested such.

It is time soon when we collectively can say yes there are methods that work*. Here they are and these are the rules to apply. Then it is up to the individual to make his/ her own way and apply.

* We should know by now that the True Nature of Roulette needs to be understood and qualifies all our approaches. I suspect that all methods will have phases of success and failure unless inbuilt with the rules are entry and exit points to mitigate the inevitable corrective phases. Sometimes we may be able to reverse our bets and take advantage of these shorter phases.

What we will be learning to read and take advantage of are trends and short term patterns. Even those techniques with 'moving frames of selection' - ie windows of opportunity will vary from cold to cool to warm to hot.

Next week this selection process will get under way with a lot of material covered that will gradually become reviewed and refined and edited until we can distill the essence of our Quest.

[XXVV]

We need to eliminate all that is blocking our progress to the goal we seek.

That goal is freedom of course. Why else would you put yourself through the tests and trials, the roller coaster ride such that has been my apprenticeship in this sphere of life. If I had known from the outset what I would have to go through would I have wanted to proceed? We are blessed that we dont know the future.

As it turns out the study of roulette and its professional application is a microcosm of Life itself in all its dramas - its highs and its lows, its secrets and its treasures.

So the goal is the consistent access of income through professional roulette play sufficient to enable ever greater degrees of freedom in our lives that benefits us and those we love and know, and also in some instances total strangers. That is freedom to grow and to share.

There need be no limit to this.

On the other side of the coin, the administrators and workers within the casino business derive substantial income.

When Donald Trump investigated the Hilton Hotel chain he found the two best income earners in the entire Hilton network were attached to casinos and they produced the substantial proportion of the group profit. So he entered the business to derive massive profits.

As a few of us start to understand more and more about the true nature of roulette we find that the accurate reading and acting upon short term trends are the key to success as a player.

Those profits for the casino operators will always be generated but as we come to understand and learn more about the secrets of this sphere we can access also some of these riches.

There are hosts of adversarial forces that would try to distract you from seeing and understanding the principle of observing and following short term trends. We need to filter the negatives; then remove them; then simplify our lives so we can find sufficient focus and energy to attack this goal.

Over the coming weeks I will set out in more detail some methods and overview to approach this great and worthy goal, one that is totally misunderstood by nearly everyone including the players themselves.

Success in this will mean a new life.

[XXVV]

Moral of the story at this time is TEST.

Test wide sources of data from live spin sources ( un- edited).

Sequences of numbers are not seamless ( as per theory) and sequences/ sessions have their unique energies. This is pragmatic, tested and proven by experiment science.

Testing of Pattern Filler (JL) is the current focus with end game variations to multiply profit over 3 x EC's over say 4 sequences of three spins.

Experiment ( trial and error) will determine the best constraints/ variables to tune this.

I believe we can achieve in the order of +15 units ( outside table bets) in say 75 spins with this method and roll on for a few cycles. However as always with roulette, the key is to exit at the right time and don't overstay.

There is an opportunity to go with inside betting as well by overlapping PF method with one or another methods to target zones.

More on this soon. Testing for consistency and will publish results of testing this week.

[jon86]

Interesting and wise words here

Jon

[XXVV]

Please note the thread shaping on Pattern Breaker and P4 where we are exploring a new extension of Pattern Filler and also ongoing testing for the very interewsting matrix extension of P4.

[XXVV]

Further to recent context of testing methods.

When using data ensure  a session is kept distinct as in the true nature of roulette it is cycles within cycles and there are tides and currents , ebbs and flows, swirlings ( note water analogies) of short term trends and skews, from which we can take advantage.

There are short term corrective tension forces that would seek to redress balances and ensure the long term balance that is expressed by probability theory.

However in the short term ( relative but say less than approx. 120 spins or 3x 37) then we can use short term imbalance and trends in certain methods, and the corrective elastic forces that would seek to fill the missing elements in the numerical jigsaw - such as the missing eighth pattern ( eight out of eight)  in Pattern Breaker/Filler.

In this case we can play for it to remain unfilled, or reverse this and play for it to be re-filled, even partially step by step.

This latter is the method I currently favour.

Hence it is imperative to use live data results that you personally schedule, or use trusted data from a live casino such as Wiesbaden. I am sure with Teutonic thoroughness and engineering precision these can be relied upon for accuracy.

Edited data such as bulk number summations which do not separate sessions completely miss out and misunderstand these primary forces.

This is the sub mathematics ( quantum analogies) that can bring success with roulette, by looking at the world in several ways at once, because that is reality.

[XXVV]

OK here we go with a recent test again using live session from DublinBet.

This links with thread on Pattern Breaker and the posts on page 35 and recent supportive comment by JL.

What I do emphasise with this method is that the progression is kept simple and hopefully will only be rarely broken by keeping within my suggested constraints ( still subject though to testing to establish whether it can be lengthened).

Here is the Dublin Bet data set out in triads

10
1
14

12
28
18

0

22
22
13

27
23
3

26
30
28

9
25
16

9
34
7

24
25
29

34
24
19

11
5
2

15
15
7

4
26
19

21
(0)
5
17

30
21
33

5
21
21

20
5
26

29
15
10

31
7
23

28
36
26

4
5
14

4
33
(0)
7

2
24
8

5
17
11

16
9
13

5
26
16

12
9
24

2
18
27  spin 84


LLL  1   BRR  1   EOE  1
LHL  2   RBR  2   EEE   2
HHL  3  BBB  3   EEO  3
HHL      RRR  4   OOO 4
HHH 4   BRB  5  EEE
LHL       RRR      OOE  5
LHL       RRR      OEO  6
HHH      BRB      EOO  7    and OEE becomes the eighth pattern

HHH      RBR      EE*O      +2
LLL        BRB      O*OE      +1
LLL        BBR 6   O*OO     +1
LHH 5    BBR      EE*O       +2
HLL 6    RRB 7    O*OO      +1   and also  RBB becomes eighth pattern
                                               note advise take profit after four ie +6
HHH      R*RB     EOO       +1 and (loss -11)
LHH       R*RR     O*OO       +1 and (+1)
HLH 7    BRB*     EOE*        +3 and (+3)  and LLH eighth pattern

HL*L      BB*B     O*OE        +2 and +2 and (+1). take profit on four ie +7

HL*H      BRR       O*OO       +2 and (loss) and (+1)
HHH*     BRB*     EE*E          +3
L*LL                                     +1   take profit on four ie +8


by taking profits on four the total is +6+7+8 = +21 units(and we avoid loss)

the basic PatternFiller result is +2 +1+2 = +5 units

As you gather the basic progression is 1,3,7 ( ie risking 11 units)

Hope this is clear and this method seems to have very strong reason for success and evidence so far supports this.

Generally on average about 60 spins is generating about +20 units.

[XXVV]

As we have seen before in roulette play one of the key variables is timing - when to get in and when to get out.

This can be based on key signals or criteria learned from experience - there are optimum times to engage/ connect/ implement a technique, and a time to exit, a strategy based on observed behaviour and guiding you as to the safest or most reliable range of profit which you can take before getting hammered by the corrective forces.

There is as JL has observed me observe a window of opportunity which we must learn to apply.

Some bets offer very small opportunities, but the better bets offer greater scope, and I believe the PatternFiller method/ where the eighth pattern becomes revealed ( by the previous manifestation of the seven prior patterns) is a wonderful signal to play, either as a one -off (one spin) attack on this pattern being achieved, or as I now firmly believe an ongoing targetting of this eighth pattern step by step, until the pattern is achieved and even sometimes carrying on after its appearance as there is a lot of balancing to be done by the corrective balancing forces which in this case we are using to our advantage for a short time.

This window of opportunity can be 12- 99 spins say (ie 4 to 33 patterns) as we move through the three EC options which usually manifest at differing times.

I have tested several more sessions now and worked through games where there has been an unusually early triple loss on one EC, and carried on to recover some or all of that (say -11) loss.

I am wondering if a way could be found for a reward when the full eighth pattern is revealed - this usually takes some time, but that would entail playing on after a first hit.

For example HHL is revealed as the eighth pattern.

Say after playing for 21 further spins the H is hit then the H (second H) is hit, and because of that we play on and the final L is hit.

This could be on a step by step sort of parlay bet, ie say 1,2,3 sequence, or 1,2,2.

So earlier play instead of being one 'peck' at a time might go on.

Or perhaps better as the full eighth pattern usually takes some time to reveal especially if the overall spin count is quite low, the we might play the more usual one 'peck' at a time approach for say the first 7 triad patterns, and then go for a more aggressive approach to pull off the full coup.

This extra may be un- necessary risk in relation to reward, and I am merely thinking aloud here.

From my testing to date you can reasonably consistently work toward a +20 unit return on about 60 spins from start of observation. This is also by working through an earlier setback such as in one case an early double set of triple loss ( ie 2 x -11) on the H/L sequence. Play carried on and losses were neutralised by gains on other EC  triads as well, so that overall a +22 unit gain was achieved, and play went to spin 90.

It is still a matter of careful discretion when to take profit, but at the moment I am setting the reasonably achievable target at +20 units playing the 3 EC patterns on PatternFiller using the one 'peck' at a time approach.

The other essential point to make here is then to close the window of opportunity.

Do not continue playing/ testing until a new session is commenced.

Tests/ play that are continuous will always fail as they misunderstand the true nature of roulette in that play must be broken into qualifying sets and subsets, as it is in the nature of the game to provide short trends and bias which will evaporate if overplayed.

Hope all this is clear and understood by now but the principles are well worth repeating.

This approach now in focus I propose to use as a future 'anchor bet' for future play. Testing continues. And in this particular case the infamous 30 session test of 100 spins may well be appropriate. Its a lot of work but if the win ratio is sufficient, and the 100 spin criteria certainly is appropriate, then success in that test will be most encouraging.

[XXVV]

For those of you who are interested here are the results of the last  six sessions tested on this variation of the P/F method.

I am increasingly encouraged that this is a wonderful way to play in that it seizes the opportunity/ the window as to when to climb on board, and the option for exit strategy can be in 3 levels and no play ever continues beyond 120 spins, in fact most sessions can be closed by 60 to 70 spins.

#1
Level One being P/F method                                +3 +1 +2 = +6 units
Level Two being at least a further three cycles                         +17
Level Three optimising opportunities  (peak before 100 spins)  +35

#2
Level One   +5
Level Two   +21 (cutting at 4 cycles)

#3
Level One   +4
Level Two    +22 ( in spite of early double triple loss!)

#4
Level One    +7
Level Two    +19 ( cutting at 4 cycles)

#5
Level One     +4
Level Two     +17 ( cutting on 4 cycles)
Level Three   +39  ( retraced to +28 by 100 spins)

#6
Level One     +5
Level Two     +20 ( recovery after early triple losses)

So this is producing an average return on P/F play - allowing all three EC's to have the eighth pattern deduced - of +5 units on say an average of 50 spins

Level 2 play is enabling a return on average of +20 units over say 60 spins. Sometimes an early triple loss is encountered ( ie a reversal of the eighth pattern) prior to the eighth pattern being manifested which sometimes can be prolonged. However by playing on part or all of the loss can be recovered and in some cases profit can continue to accrue.

I have been trying to establish reasonable parameters or constraints as to a suitable profit and I still think the +20 units is a fair return.

There certainly is an opportunity to play for a longer period and take the risk of encountering the losses. Have not yet experienced a triple loss on two EC's in the same cycle.

Also there is the possible goal of scoring the entire eighth pattern by playing three spins in a row and anticipating three wins. That is why I have called this Level Three or Level Four because the playing progression can be changed from1,3,7 for when sufficient earlier profit has been scored and then more of a part parlay bet could be played say1,2,2 or somesuch. However it would be foolish to erode earlier hard won profit and the earlier phases may be more than enough.

I like the way that randomness is covered by the EC cover and that the cycle of opportunity is activated by the trigger of the eighth pattern being deduced. We are working with the forces of balancing on our side here, and not being deluded by the traps of the gamblers fallacy where we might fool ourselves into thinking that the awaited correction is just around the corner.

We know here that by practical, empirical observation that it DOES occur within a specified range and we can 'peck away' at its partial or eventual total manifestation, until we have a reasonable and consistent profit.

It certainly looks very promising as a professional bet at this stage of testing.

[ScoobyDoo]

Well XXVV,

As eloquently as you have been explaining your thoughts, I'm beginning to feel a little under-educated in the business of word-smithing even though I have authored a published novel.

One thing that might be of some help is something I saw in a book entitled "Beat The Casino". The authors name escapes me but he had compiled two groups of 5,000 decisions. One group from the game of Craps and the other from Roulette.

By adding up the streaks into lengths of 4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11 and 12, the  number of specific streaks decreased gradually from 4 to 7 but when the streak was 8-in-a-row and longer, there were very few. There were none over 12-in-a-row.

So in other words, the "tipping point" is 7-in-a-row. This was based on the 50/50 chances of Roulette and Craps.

I don't know if this type of info is worthy of this thread but I am in hopes that it will in some small way contribute to solving the riddle of the game.

Scooby Doo 

[XXVV]

Thanks Scooby

You are quite right. Was it Frank Scoblete ( apologies if incorrect) and I think from him I learned the term "guerilla" style play - hit and run.

On the bad side of the ledger he edited spin data like the brilliant Australian mathematician and roulette writer, Martin Blakey who took data from Launceston casino and compiled 20,000 spins but failed to distinguish sessions. Being a purist mathematician and player always of 16 targets he never believed in a consistent edge with a method but attacked by means of 4 corner bets which in his later years he  has adjusted to the shorter cycles of the live game.

His methodology involving sometimes bucket loads of sweat was designed to dig yourself mathematically out of horrible holes quite often. At other times it was a breeze.

Thus his numbers were seamless because a 'session' of results, at least in his earlier view, meant nothing.

By the way his book is wonderful reading - check on Google.

On the good side of the ledger, the scheduling of duration of streaks is a fab idea, and LG Holloway, Full Time Gambler is the man who trail blazed that approach and I believe it has been further explored by French and German mathematicians and roulette theorists since.

Mr Holloway identified the average time it took at the live tables for various duration streaks on EC to manifest.

By sheer patience and preparation he knew what he was waiting for, and climbed on board from the outset once a suitable space of time had elapsed.
As he put it, on a monthly basis sufficient profit would be available from EC streak betting, to purchase a car with the profit. On a monthly basis on one EC alone, a streak of 12 or more was produced, and the table limit was the only constraint.

On an anecdotal basis I have seen screens of Red or Black exclusively ( ie 15+) on a monthly basis on my R+B casino visits. Take a look at Wiesbaden and work out the duration frequencies. I have mentioned them elsewhere on the other thread.

Mr Holloway also provided hints of other strategies and his advice for 'spacing' of events, separations, are extremely valuable.

The idea of a 'tipping point' of effectiveness is really good and we are searching out methods that can encourage streaks, hence my work with RO/BE and BO/RE sequences.

It needs a decent data base to measure streaks duration and frequencies, and it seems the PatternBreaker/Filler is very good at enabling consistent streaks at various levels.

Level One play seems to provide lengthy runs even at the simple 1,3,7 progression.

All we need is sufficient evidence, then we can plan an attack, build a suitable balance of risk and return in the progression, then apply and possibly compound the streak as it runs. The streak can be a run of your winning sessions, and the unit value can steadily be increased.

Good progress on this at the moment and we hope within a week sufficient research will have been completed on PB/PF in its various levels, to put this theory into live action.

It is this 'tipping point' where I have suggested say four cycles of play to produce sufficient profit, and be sufficiently consistent and safe, for level 2 PF play. At this time not sure. Maybe two. Maybe just keep going till your overall 3 xEC goal is reached. This is what we are testing.

Next week will publish recommended guide anyway, and clearly we are in fertile territory.

[ScoobyDoo]

Hi XXVV,

I got the name of that author...It's Frank Barstow

Scooby Doo

[XXVV]

Thanks yes.

That is another of the classic books, and he is a great character of Wall Street, surprisingly more the old school more conservative type. Not the current "Inside Job" variety.

His reading of short term trends in the section on roulette is very helpful.

[XXVV]

Completed enough testing for now on PB/PF to see its strengths and weakness.

Results are on P36 on the Pattern Breaker thread.

Will come back to that one later.  Played on 2 or 3 levels, but even level 1  is not clear of punishing risk exposure with progression.  This is not suitable for flat staking, but level 1 and 2 play can have long winning streaks, ie +30 wins on level 1 and. +10 wins in Level 2.

[XXVV]

What I am going to endeavour to do over the coming 4-6 weeks is to schedule the best of the methods that we have public access to within the Forum and other outlets.

I would like to then run a comparative test on say several ( say 3) x 100 spin sessions selected randomly from Wiesbaden.

Then some notes on management.

Then some notes on psychology of professional roulette play ( we wont call it gambling) and fitness on every level so we achieve peak performance.

On that subject I was fascinated to see an interview yesterday with a brilliant professional athlete talking about the emphasis now on 'recovery' as much as anything else.

Under this heading the correct gear and exercise for performance and after performance is so important. Even the gear for extended air travel to prevent any clotting or thrombosis.

Well also for our work the importance of handling stress, anxiety, even depression, and 'winding down' after a session, relaxation, massage and best sleep.

I can recommend the new book by Timothy Ferris -follow up to the 4 Hour Work Week - this the 4 Hour BODY Book - packed with information on leading a fuller healthier and more productive life - I take it a bite at a time, and its like a treasure chest with the website links scheduled.

First steps first lets get the very best methods assembled.

Fundamental to our quest will be to measure the fastest strike rate, the best one to utilise in relative simplicity, and in payout in relation to cost. The need to run for 100 spins need not be enforced. The best will be the quickest to score and exit. The 100 spins is there to enable some to recover from early setbacks.

More soon.