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EXPERIMENTAL IDEAS FOR PRO PLAY

Started by XXVV, Feb 12, 06:48 PM 2011

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XXVV

On my recent 250 games of D+C  in Latvia...

Dozens winning streaks  163   26    23   38+ unbeaten  ( average 83 but small sample)

Columns more as expected outcomes - average 23 at present. Expectation is 26 of course for 1-3-9.

These contrast don't they in win streaks and frequency of losses. although of course micro losses can still be disguised and buried within macro wins because of the 1-3 -9 progression.

I have devised a 'loss' technique that can be applied to both sets of samples and to my earlier 500 game samples, ie so we can now say we have 1000 games tested.

I wasn't going to publish this but as only a handful of readers  will find it here, understand it, or even bother to apply it, I am not really concerned. There are a whole family of bets that can be devised here with a little ingenuity and patience. What I am aiming for is a flat bet so the player can avoid the deadly trap of progressions and can quickly add value to the betting unit by compounding. It is not a bet for gamblers.

The Dozens and Columns had remarkably similar relative frequency outcomes with my method. There were in each case about 112 winning outcomes in a sample of about 250 games, ie about one concluded bet every 10 spins net say.

I will outline the bet tomorrow, with its triggers and stops, and suggested gentle steps.

It is not a progression but under key adverse circumstances the bet should be increased then reset at the first opportunity to its base level.

This one has a built in safety valve so that it can handle long win streaks. It just goes to sleep.

There is a simple variation which I will outline also and it is the one hit and stop method I was first going to outline.

So we could call the bets : D+C Loss Single  and D+C Loss Multiple.

XXVV

Ecart is the force  to push Deviations - extremes.

Equilibre is the force that pulls Deviations back to the expected norm.

These two forces are constantly at war.

We can harvest the outcomes as long as there is movement in one direction or another until the Ecart pushes to the limit, the tipping point where Nature restores the balance or equilibrium.

I have found bets using the D+C as a good Matrix template, that can take advantage of win streaks and loss clusters.

Using D+C as a model and the 1-3-9 as the optimum progression with an expectation balance at 26 points, we have thoroughly tested this clever method for nearly 2000 games or approx 7500 spins.

This is really negligible in grand cycles but in statistically significant samples this is sufficient to read the 'ways' of the method, its user friendliness and propensity to streak.

The 163 win streak on Dozens was remarkable at 6 x expectation, but equivalent to a sleeper single number appearing at spin 222 which is no record, although genuinely extreme.

What seems notable is the phenomenon of multiple streaks, and just the fact that streaks at all consistently occur is very helpful to the professional.

Win streaks can be parlayed and can be aggressively stepped positively with confidence that 26 is the expected average.

Optimum parlay conditions may be three to five in a series, and frequently, when firmly in win streak mode, a series of one only bets will win. I have seen a dozen or more as single bet wins in a series.

So you know when to engage and step into such a parlay. You just have to allow for an occasional risk of blip such as a LLW on the third step of the parlay. Worst case scenario is never worse than a loss of the one bank.

Probably half the available time for selecting a bet and playing a bet is best served by playing for win streaks.

Conversely the other half for lose bets.

The Ecart is always in motion, swinging like a pendulum from one extreme to the other through the node of equilibrium.

Exit from win streaks is achieved when your goal is reached and if exceeded, then within 10% of the tipping point would be splendid.

There are ways to measure the moving averages and the proportion of win micro successes to loss micro success.

The wins are constant as every macro game has to end eventually on a win when the progression triumphs, either in the real world or in the virtual world.

The ratio for 50 games for example might be 25 loss micro events to 50 win micros. This is equilibrium.
Most of the time the balance is + or - either side of that and you can easily determine which way the current is moving.

Hence reading such cycles, you can determine when is best to start and stop.

Its not hard to do this but gamblers wouldn't bother.


marivo

This is so interesting if I only have time to re-read and to study it......

XXVV

I have thought about this very carefully over the week and as this is a framework area, I have decided NOT to publish the full details of my hard won* bets.

* Many hundreds of hours go into my research and testing as this is my profession at this time.

What I am prepared to do is show the path that leads to the design of these bets. It is not difficult but is time consuming and I can genuinely state that dedicated effort will be rewarded and you will have the satisfaction of designing your own personal bet.

I will also  publish within 48 hours a sample of my results from two types of bet - a win macro bet - and a loss micro bet. Then it is over to you.

strato1985

Sounds like your signing off xxvv

your works very good it will take me a year to decode it but hopefully i'll get there

I think many must tread carefully in your threads

: )

XXVV

This has been an extremely busy time and I think the momentum has really developed in the past couple of months, peaking these past few weeks.

Through an apparently random set of circumstances, events, actions, meetings and writings encountered, a way has been seen through, that, at this time anyway, is the culmination of several years research and development in roulette.

I am sure I don't have to tell you whats its like to experience the highs and lows that decorate our journey of discovery which really this wonderful game sets forth.

One day I will write a full description of the past 20 years and what a story - the characters that fill this life are very vivid.

I am sure you realise there is no one way. There are many many aspects of the game where we can benefit. I see the game as a vast mountain landscape and our goal is somewhere high, and possibly one of the summits. Its like flying over the alpine landscapes also where you see the snowline and the tracks and trails below that lead to some far off life.

To take one of those trails and find techniques that can carry you higher- that is enough , and is very satisfying after many previous false hopes or even betrayals.

The understanding that you can come to, at this stage anyway ( for there is no limit), can be expressed quite simply and when repeated often enough, it really does start to become part of 'the second nature'.

The tale involves more understanding of 'the true nature of roulette'.

With that in mind, the search for a consistent winning bet is changed. The approach needs to be able to be switched from time to time as the energies switch as part of the nature of things. Everything is in flux, and is moving to one cycle or other, at one or several levels.

By understanding the movement of the tides, the phases of the moon, the seasonal cycles, we can work with Nature and those forces that swing back and forth to build and destroy. It works on all scales.

With some understanding, some respect and humility, we can work with these cycles to benefit in working with the elements.

For those who suggest working with 'patterns' may be fantasy, there certainly is no fantasy in the forces that are positive and negative in Nature. We are not outside of this realm; in fact we are interwoven, even when sitting in the madness of a Vegas Casino at midnight.

Just so the forces of Ecart and Equilibre in roulette embody those natural rhythms.

It is part of our challenge to read these cycles and in so doing we can benefit and then positively re-distribute the proceeds.

We know by doing this faithfully we will attract more. That is another natural principle.

So lets get specific.

I am not going to publish any bets but I can show you from where to draw the material that will enable you to make your own which is by far the very best of worlds.

I am going to publish some results from two specific bets I have developed in order to illustrate the sort of return and conditional requirements you can look forward to. For those unhealthy sceptics who want it all in the hand, or on the plate, too bad.

Parlay bets are probably one of the mosts sensible and efficient means to achieve our goal of profit without undue risk exposure.

So when a method consistently produces lots of streaks ( at times when in a win cycle) then that is a great opportunity to take advantage.

When the cycle is over it is necessary to put the brakes on.

Continuous play on a negative expectation game is not a good idea.

When the cycle swings into the loss mode then another form of bet is necessary.

It is true what was stated by other writers on this. When the cycle swings and the win bet no longer works, then a reversal of the bet is the answer.

To be really clear about this, in the matrix bet series, and in particular in the very user friendly D+C method, there are long win streaks.

I have encountered 163 as my record to date.

During this time, yes, 163 macro games in a series without a macro loss playing 1-3-9.

Do you not think it possible to construct a parlay bet somewhere in there?

Likewise I have had results in D+C at the other extreme, very occasionally where heavy loss was in the air.

Recently in a columns game on the very first macro game there was a loss.  The bet won, but on the fourth attempt, beyond the 1-3-9. Then, three macro games later another failure at the same level.

On a micro level the sequence went....

LLLW
LW
W
LLLW     in the space of  11 bets there were 7 losses!
W
W
etc....

So at times like that given a certain trigger to set off the process, there can be a reversal bet or bets placed which will bring in fast return in a short space.

Then it is necessary to stop so you do not squander your gains.

So you have a trigger and stop. You will have to experiment trial and error to find the best variables.

I have done this but it has taken me hundreds of hours in the context of my testing.

I have offered you a short cut and the certainty that such sound opportunities exist.

Here are some results from my last two days of live real money play ...

Divide + Conquer

Dozens

Games                     Loss- Micro Loss Bet           Parlay Bet                 Standard D+C Bet

50                               +27                                  +138                                  +23

66                                +37                                  +16                                    -15


Columns

50                               +2                                     +210                                    +50

55                                +26                                   +55                                      -26

Even within this small sample of results you can see the tidal swing by reading the net outcomes of the standard bet at the right.

Through triggers and stops I have engineered bets that  when in hostile territory can mitigate losses but when in friendly home territory can accentuate the positives!

I hope this helps you. It is genuine and true. I will not be adding any further detail to this material. No PMs please.
Good Hunting
XXVV

XXVV

Clue
Parlay 3-4-5
but only in a very specific and limited application and with the correct timing.
How is that timing arrived at....
By research and testing a whole range of triggers and stops for actually the reverse of the D+C bet and then applying that knowledge for both win and loss play.
However it is easier to parlay a 'loss' than a 'win' so you can adjust to suit your style.
There is plenty to work with there.
XXVV

XXVV

For your information and to close the phase on published work for D+C

Overall test live play results

These are 'continuous' play results for D+C basic method, but the other results reflect tuning with start/ stop devices.


1800 games        Running Loss Technique     Parlay Win Method    Basic D+C

                                            +406 points                 +602                    +315

Point value could be $1-$100 or more

The 1800 games was set as a reasonable monthly goal in 'full time' professional play.
                                             

XXVV

Being a lover of symmetry I could not resist posting the D+C and D+C variation outcomes measured to 2000 games.

For a busy player that would be a month's work, based on say 4-5 hours play 5 days a week, on the basis of several shorter sessions per day, or variation of methods while at the table depending on the energy flows.

Interesting to note that the standard D+C bet played and measured continuously ( as a sort of measurement yardstick or base model) was hit by some negative re-tracement after so many earlier long streaks.

It is a remarkable fact of Nature that you cannot escape these corrective forces without self conscious application of 'counter- measures'. We talk about the Casino operating counter-measures, well we can too.

Basic D+C Bet

+ 224 points

The Parlay Bet as measured here is played generally continuously.

But in professional play there are a couple of modifications such as taking early profit consistently, and taking profit at or near peak within 10% target re-tracement tipping point.

+669 points

Lastly the Running Loss Method which thrives on corrective phases picked up momentum. Nevertheless it is a bet  operational only after pre-set triggers and stops at key signals.

 + 442 points


This is a good conclusion because it illustrates the ebb and flow of the game in general, and the operation of both win and loss methods specifically.

XXVV

This is a short update but is very important and it is designed to encourage any of you who are prepared to make the effort.

I am playing using D+C as my chosen matrix tool.

I am playing in what could be termed 'continuous' style. there is a reason for this.

In roulette there are of course cycles within cycles.

At the moment in the current 1000 spins context, D+C standard bets are actually losing ground. Clearly in the scheme of things this is corrective! But note the scale.

This is no problem because in that bet I am playing 'virtually' awaiting ( patiently) the right triggers.

On the other hand ( lol) the Loss Game is flourishing - reversal in this context works!

Try it.

BestXXVV

XXVV

Have completed a fresh cycle of results using D+C.

When the Ecart is in positive win mode and stable or moving in the direction of Win, then the standard D+C bets will be continuing to net win, and there will be opportunities for parlay bets to exploit this, especially when there are relative simple single win (micro) bets to keep the progression at its simplest.

I have seen 15 in one straight sequence of these single win bets.

At the other extreme there are excellent opportunities for relatively continuous gain using a progression that runs attacking for loss bets (micro). Because of the strong risk to reward ratio for loss bets then it is more straightforward to progress.

These methods will work particularly well when the Ecart is in loss mode or heading in that direction, and even when the Ecart is positive, but progress will be slower and risk of the progression loss increases.

A parallel play on zero can be utilised and profits on such a play can be used to offset the occasional bank loss.

Such an approach requires patience , understanding of the forces at work in the game, and a plan of attack.

By my calculations this shows a 'continual' net advantage, or 'edge' to the bet, and in accordance with the true nature of roulette, as advised, profit can and should be taken in short cycles and in timing/ phase with given small edge which will vary in time.

My aim is to achieve a rate of return on average around +0.25 units per spin. On average each (macro) game of D+C takes 3.5 spins.

I believe this is a fair summary and is based on substantial research and testing.

What I may now do is to re-visit some other matrix methods, review in the light of this experience, and utilise their unique properties as well to increase the impact of our betting strategy.

This process may take a month or so but is the next exciting goal on the journey.

Best
XXVV

esoito

Reading the above I immediately thought of that ancient Chinese (supposedly) curse: 'May you live in interesting times."

Your journey is certainly giving you 'interesting times' that are, fortunately, more of a blessing than a curse.

Your hard work, skills and persistence have a lot to do with that, of course!  ;)

XXVV

These certainly are interesting times, and I feel a thousand times blessed!

Its not all the time of course, but a lot of the time, and it seems research has indicated it is in the nature of human consciousness to be naturally happy and optimistic. Should this not be the case, then something is wrong.

Nevertheless we live in challenging times but when isnt?  We are becoming more aware now of all that some have tried to hide, and still they persist but knowledge is freedom.

Sometimes though it is all too much and I am reliably advised that in the Hospitals that deal with mental illness, the first recommendation is to restrict watching the television news. Apparently it can just tip the scales sometimes.

So back to 'bubble roulette' and I can heartily recommend a ' ..***.. the torpedoes' approach to loss bet attacks on D+C. Its only money!

My suggestion is a short progression with sensible stop-loss point.

You will note that when the stop-loss is triggered, soon after will follow a sequence of quick hits which can (partially) correct the stop-loss with a sensible 'twist' factor ( for example a double value bet (s), or a short parlay - but therein lies a subject for a volume on roulette technique and I haven't the time to give out that data, but its well worth looking into with caution though).

This will give good results I have found because of the risk to reward factor in reversing the D+C bet at key times ( could be always if you have the right checks and balances in place).

Happily XXVV


XXVV

Here is a thought I have not published before and I know it works-sometimes much more intensely than others.


I tend to focus on the Loss Bets for D+C.


I usually play Dozens.


However if you play Dozens and Columns ( or even other extras) simultaneously and they are both in the Ecart of Loss, then you can simply target 8 inside straight up numbers.


This is a bet that varies in intensity so you can switch on and off.


Its not hard to monitor.

XXVV

It has been an interesting diversion and research topic to look at Lucy's thread on the Whittacker Progression, under General Discussion.


Applying this methodology, or something akin to it is a wonderful adjunct to reverse bet play, and in many many sessions tested I haven't  (yet)* lost a single unit thanks to that 'long' progression.


* in search of the 'yet' - quality of results depends on quality of the bet selection AND the timing of the bet ( in relation to the swing of the Ecart).  My testing though has been on continuous play so simple.

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