EXPERIMENTAL IDEAS FOR PRO PLAY

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look forward to reading it mate

[XXVV]

Thanks


Over the weekend I will be posting some specifics on this and if there are questions or comments, fire away.


Then in the near future I may be able to point in a few helpful directions toward some professional / semi-professional play opportunities. This is being approached very carefully step by step, with some expert advice from trusted colleagues.


More soon.


Best
XXVV

[XXVV]

Firstly let me emphasise that my style of play and my knowledge of the game is not perfect. I endeavour to grow my experience and skills, but I must make clear that there are weaknesses in my approach to self management that still need much work, and despite twenty years of roulette play and tuition, and astonishing progress in the past 2-3 years, especially this past year, I still can make errors, and can still encounter losing sessions.


This disclaimer is probably a statement of the human condition.


The personality needs training, much training, and perfection ( or one's misty perception of it) really is unattainable, and probably should not be sought as it is a mirage in the desert sun.


Nevertheless the 'ideal' bet and the 'ideal' self management are states and characteristics which we can start to define, and these can act as guides along a difficult path.


The bets we construct, the traps we set to capture 'coups' in roulette need to  be efficient* and robust** to withstand the vagaries of our day to day performance.


Last night I was listening to several professional poker players (US) discussing their 'reading of the game', and explaining (rationalising) why they did what they did when they did in the hands of a session. They were very articulate, and these guys are champions. Nevertheless it is always easier in hindsight, but they successfully measured and assessed their hands and those of their fellow players. Sometimes though they did lose, and substantially, but within reason did, or believed they did, mitigate their loss exposure.


Its all about balance, and the weighing and assessing of opportunities, risk, and then timing, to act appropriately.


To carry over into roulette, we as players remain less verbal during play than poker players and it appears that roulette is an inner game, at least for the professional levels required for sustainable success.


We need to have though the same balance of left and right brain activity to analyse, and to imagine, and to articulate, and act decisively with near perfect timing.


I know that at times my own play, my analysis, my actions, may be out of step, out of phase and just not sparking. Other times it can be astonishing.


Like the pro-golfers, the tennis players, the poker players we need, more often than not to be 'in the zone' in order to lift our game, and our net earnings.


So it is this quality of ' being in the zone', and balancing the brain activities, and tuning our performance, that I and my colleagues are working to develop, and we will provide ways so that those sufficiently motivated will be able to lift their game.


More on this soon.


If you read some of my threads written over the past year you will see I have explored several bets, and come to know and understand the 'characteristics' of those bets. They need to be 'smarter' bets and capable of being managed so as to leverage profit when applied with skill and good timing.


* for example 'efficient' bets are economic as an engineer would design them - no waste


** and 'robust' bets need to be forgiving to the extent that the operator may not always be applying them with perfect self management. So in spite of our ( sometimes) human frailties the bets will still work, although maybe not at peak output. In other words we dont make the bets so complicated that errors can creep in and negate our efforts to overcome the house edge.


On this basis I developed the "Reverse Bet' which was an operational reversal of the clever D + C bet.


Played when appropriate ( after analysis of moving average outcomes) the R/B could produce short streaks of positive results, gaining +2 units per win and only -1 if a loss. Flat staked, which is a smart way to play, the R/B was useful if played in short bursts with a high unit value.


Analysis showed the smartest usage of the bet combined M/A analysis with profit take at between +3 to +5 units. Cut losses once the tide turned. Hit and run methodology. And when played cleverly say $100 units, then a short session would be worth your while.


Also like all worthy bets it is capable of being applied and building up your unit value, given you have sufficient patience.


Many roulette players want a substantial return and in too much haste. This may be unrealistic, depending on the nature of the sequence you are playing, and also in the context of your available risk bank and your goal for the session.


There are some brilliant writers on this and a key is to seek say a +10% return on your risk bank per session, on a long term average ( including the occasional loss and wipe-out).


I will be candid and state this is one of the biggest player self management traps I encounter. trying to do too much with too little in too short a space of time. Pressure.


Best to back off, keep cool, and approach your entire play with an overview risk bank. How many roulette players actually define and do this? The over risk bank is then divided into multiple session risk banks.


Despite the occasional setbacks and losses, it is still possible to compound your earnings by stringing a series of winning sessions ( I think my personal record is 17).


More on this soon.


Best XXVV

[XXVV]

How many times have you commenced a session, having prepared a goal target, and been offered within 3 spins, an excess of your target, and then played on, only to eventually lose your starting  bank, assuming a small risk bank say?


Your answer to this will determine your self honesty and also what I term SQ.  That is Stupidity Quotient.


My point is that our performance varies day to day.  One day brilliant, the next folly, unless you can harness and control from an overview of higher levels of self management.


It is easy to write and state wonderful goals, and yes there is some worth to doing this, but really what we really need is a Master Plan for Action.


This is an overview that will keep us on track and it is a series, a hierarchical set of instructions, rules, guides on the path that we will need to help us on our main goal, our personal goal plan.


So what is that goal? Does it vary player to player, or do we all want the some thing? Success? Recognition? Respect? Self Respect? Consistent Extra Income?  Full time Professional Income?


I am asking these questions because I am wondering who tunes into the Forum. What is the attitude and the approach spread of all our members? Does it vary wildly?


So I am going to try to consider the traits of our players on this Forum. I mean no disrespect at all. I have been very honest in describing my shortcomings when not in focus. From this overview it may be possible to see just what needs to be addressed.


Then from the Forum, to the Casinos. There must be a vast spread. From the internet Casinos to the B+M Casinos.


Behind or beyond it all, despite our differences, would we agree that if we could find and patch together a series of proven methodologies, and self management procedures, in a manner that was enjoyable, fun and smart, and we could consistently profit, would we then be happy and fulfilled?  Surely.


Perhaps also we might ( at least attempt to ) dispel the (self) doubts of the sceptics who believe it is impossible to beat the odds of the house edge in roulette.


And, potentially, more than that, those that were sufficiently self motivated, they could have the opportunity to launch a professional career that would provide positive money to re-distribute far and wide, helping create prosperity and creativity on ever larger vistas.


Seems like a dream?


Well I dont believe it is a fantasy, and in fact I believe we are indeed well on the way to driving inexorably toward this. It simply requires FOCUS.


More on this soon, and within reason, I will be specific as to a plan for the way forward.


Very Best
XXVV

[XXVV]

Here is a set of outcomes from live play yesterday :


22
36
20
29
3
31
16
17
31
8
36
27
4
24
2
32
20
4
18
36
---


3
33
3
11
16
31
12
22
27
6
5
12
22
14
27
36
8
13
12
---
31
12
30
1
30
14
7
16
1
1
____


29
0
4
1
1   !!!  !!!


---


note with this the extraordinary opportunity provided by the crunch on 1 at the end of the session


I notate wheel sections and 1 happens to be midway for me between 2 sets of 9 numbers, so 1 signifies the cluster is really formed.


Parallel with this fix in the wheel outcomes was a massive string of AB streets intersperced occasionally with minor C streets.


These all gave cross hairs for the targets...


Such opportunities as this session outcome provided. ie short term trends/ skews are actually common when you know how and where to look.


Today in the live casino, targetting a mere 0 and the two neighbours either side there were 14 hits in 52 spins. That is a rate better than 1 hit per 4 spins where the expectation is 1 in 7.4.


The result was +232 units in 52 spins flat staking and max exposure of a mere 25 units to get going.


Point of this note is to illustrate strong short term betting opportunities.


If you are alert and enabled you can hugely profit from such opportunities.


Best
XXVV

[XXVV]

Hi Everyone


Thanks to those who choose to read this thread. I am grateful to everyone who clicks on as it is a contribution I appreciate. It is your choice and I trust I can provide some worthwhile content for you, and something concrete which you can absorb and apply from which to benefit.


These are extraordinary times.


No doubt many of you are impacted to some degree by 'austerity measures' and the tuning of economies through Economists - professionals of a dark science if ever there was one.


No disrespect!  Dark just means 'clouded' in this context. At least at this time.


I am advised that in years to come the Science of Money will indeed become very bright and we trust that prosperity may spread with good free money.


I have been reflecting in recent days on 'first principles' and then looking to re-build and re-boot.


Going back in time a little I wanted to remind you of a website and focus program that has become very important to me, and which I had earlier recommended, but now would suggest should be required study for any professional.


Eric Nielsen's 'Inner Track' - a guide to winning.  Refer the series :.professionalsinsight.com


Key is a meditation study for 40 mins which should go for 30 days and thereafter be regularly applied and studied. It is applicable to all aspects of a richer life.


When I first heard this I scanned and set aside.


Now I realise what a valuable tool it is from a genuine and true roulette expert in his field.


I have no vested interest in promoting this other than saying what a wonderful first step in the right direction.


In due course, and in fact quite soon now, I too will be participating in establishing a remarkable website which I believe will be of fantastic help to professionals worldwide.


The increasing power of the internet and skype communication is such that our world of communication and exchange of information, and teaching, is rapidly changing. This has to be good.


I still bear the scars of that awful scam from the 'Swiss' a while back. My efforts have consistently been directed to correct the perversion of those who had such knowledge. and yet who chose to cheat so many. It still really astonishes me how they chose  the wrong path.


Regarding any mention of what work I am proposing will require some advice from the Senior Counsel of this web site so amongst others I will be contacting Victor before becoming too specific.


I will continue to update in the meantime.


Best


R
XXVV

[ddarko]

I still bear the scars of that awful scam from the 'Swiss' a while back. My efforts have consistently been directed to correct the perversion of those who had such knowledge. and yet who chose to cheat so manyyet who chose to cheat so many. It still really astonishes me how they chose  the wrong path.

@ XXVV

Could you help me out and explain what you mean by this paragraph please 

Are you saying they do/did know how to win (those who had such knowledge) but instead decided to con people (yet who chose to cheat so many).

Is it at all possible it played out like this :-

the "Swiss" were indeed the Real McCoy & got the guys n girls that they wanted for their "club". So what next? Job done, how to fade back into the background?

Simple..... Don't inform the many (I assume) who applied, close the website & run for the hills. That way virtually everybody thinks they are indeed scammers.

I'm very sorry that many forum members lost money  but they were told the application fee was non-refundable. Another thing I found strange was the bank account given out, it wasn't from some tin pot country with a dodgy financial set up, it was from a big Uk bank

Of course it could all just of been a con 

Not trying to set off a hornets nests guys, just my 2cents!!!!!

[XXVV]

Well, I guess this is in the context of Experimental Studies in Professional Roulette, even if now directed to learning how to filter out the real from the nonsense, the true from the sham.


In the case of what was offered to train a group to become very efficient professional roulette players and provide lofty aims, it is clear it was a scam.


Amongst others I registered a formal complaint with International Authorities.


It was a criminal and pre-meditated fraud.


However on long reflection and analysis it has become clear that the principal/s involved in the fraud had a certain amount of knowledge, and indeed some of that foundation work has since been used to develop genuine and successful bets ( eg the Reverse Bet to which I have earlier referred).


My personal belief is that the fraudsters milked much data and information sent to them to build up their sum of knowledge to even greater levels.


The principal individual involved in this fraud who has had a succession of websites under aliases had taken much money in earlier attempts to sell bets of dubious worth. It was known that his locality was the south coast in the UK and thus it was no surprise the host bank was the local branch of HKSB.


It is clear to me these fraudsters did not actually have a perfected bet, although there were some skeleton bets which had small short cycle uses and from time to time with skillful entry and exit , some profit could be made. But at other times the gains could easily have been lost.


The worked example provided by them was carefully chosen to exhibit a maximum skew so as to present what appeared a great result. So it was and the spins were real, but only of limited use.


The irony is that the distress caused by the fraudsters motivated myself and some colleagues to find genuine winning ways.


And the good news is that they are out there and in plentiful supply if you know where to look and how to look.


There are no easy answers and we have worked thousands of hours to know now what we do.


From time to time I have accessed some of these new findings and I can report there are extraordinary ones proven and now being used by some I know.


I do hope quite soon to help provide access to what I believe will be one of the simplest and most reliable ways to profit from roulette.


Once you get that door open, further progress can be made in research.


By re-reading some of the later work from those 'Swiss' scammers you will find some useful staring points for your own research.


More on this fascinating subject soon.


Best


XXVV

[ddarko]

In the case of what was offered to train a group to become very efficient professional roulette players and provide lofty aims, it is clear it was a scam.


Amongst others I registered a formal complaint with International Authorities.


It was a criminal and pre-meditated fraud.

You are obviously 100% sure about this. So where can I find the thread you must of started regarding the Swiss being arrested & no doubt found guilty of this "pre-mediated" fraud?

[XXVV]

@ddarko
Sincere thanks for your interest in this matter and comments. Healthy scepticism is always welcome. However no further comment by me beyond this post is necessary as my point here is that we have learned from that experience, which actually was the nadir of a series of earlier scams, and we have taken the bones, the skeleton of some of what at the time was discussed and we have built some worthwhile and successful bets from these, in spite of the frustration at the time.


My aim is forward and not backward and you will be aware that internet fraud, or 'alleged' fraud if you like, can be hard to police. The formal complaint to the FBI and Metropolitan Police was all that could be done at the time.


If you wish to believe that there are other scenarios please feel free to commence a thread along those lines as another parallel universe theory. No further comment on the scam matter within this thread need be posted. The aim of this thread is to build successful professional play, real play , and not fantasy or fraudulent. We are exploring experimental ideas and noting ways to push forward and share those within the Forum.


Moving on....

[XXVV]

In reading Nassim Taleb's books on randomness there is mention of a fabled MonteCarlo Machine/ Program.


My dear friend and colleague B. ( for those interested his contact details can be provided given his approval)  has designed such a Machine to analyse one of the preferred simple bets I have recently referred to in this thread


Simplicity should be a quality we seek in engineering appropriate bets for professional play, as should relatively high return to risk exposure ( at least 2:1). and the bet characteristics have to be understood based on your own live testing to know and understand the parameters. Best case and worst case scenarios. In fact is there a loss limit? Also best if we flat stake to reduce just that what if?/ whale/ black swan event scenario.


In my work I use the term 'a tendency towards' an outcome because it is prudent to allow for slippage or to make allowance for approximations. A ball can skip if you are viewing physically. In result analysis the bell curve may peak but the spread of the curve may cover an area of fertile exposure. Or there may just be simply through evidence by trial and error ( heuristics) a beneficial zone of investment. Such is the case here under certain conditions.


Hence, and this is a big clue in my work now, I target one number and allow two neighbours on either side of the wheel. Thats the wheel model anyway.


My colleague B has applied the Monte Carlo Machine to such bet selection under key circumstances and conditions and that now forms a wonderful benchmark for random expectations.


We can then overlay our results given our special selection process.


We can then measure any difference over a large ongoing sample basis.


Because some distributions are not based on bell curve scenarios, but rather decay curves, then the measurement of 'deviations' and outcome 'edge' will have to be different.


This Machine enables such measurement in due course.


More soon.


Best


R
XXVV

[XXVV]

Here is a little food for thought.


I view strands of winning sessions or micro sessions as a 'living thread'.


They need great care to be sustained and kept alive. Sometimes the end must come to a strand but hopefully well after it has faithfully provided a string of helpful disbursements that may be hundreds or possibly thousands.


As earlier discussed you can compound the earnings, but at present I try to string say from 6 to 12 sessions to enable a good percentage of net profit to be tapped.


You have to be so vigilant though that you are not fooled or undone by being unprepared for a session. I am starting to introduce a checklist of preparations for focus.


I have noted when this is not attended to or if several hours have elapsed since your last freshening, then take time out and re-focus.


This involves clear breathing exercises, and focus on goals and targets, and self discipline.


As an aside I have also been applying the earlier 'moving average' analysis (m/a) to basic flat staking on simple target selections.


I take the last three appearances of the target or target group. I measure the spaces between hits, and add the last three. I play ONLY when the moving average sum is reducing ( ie the hits are becoming closer). This is a sure sign that indicates turning points and I always carry on the rolling moving average of the latest three.


With such discipline this can be a great help even if your target selection is without edge.


In truth by doing what you now do by stopping and starting on the m/a signal this effectively provides you with a positive edge.


Imagine what you can do if your selection target also has other forces at work to more effectively select winning bets.


This is some of the work now underway.


More soon


XXVV

[catalyst]

As earlier discussed you can compound the earnings, but at present I try to string say from 6 to 12 sessions to enable a good percentage of net profit to be tapped.




I take the last three appearances of the target or target group. I measure the spaces between hits, and add the last three. I play ONLY when the moving average sum is reducing ( ie the hits are becoming closer). This is a sure sign that indicates turning points and I always carry on the rolling moving average of the latest three.


With such discipline this can be a great help even if your target selection is without edge.


In truth by doing what you now do by stopping and starting on the m/a signal this effectively provides you with a positive edge.


Imagine what you can do if your selection target also has other forces at work to more effectively select winning bets.


This is some of the work now underway.

Dear XXVV

I have noticed in various places you have mentioned 'compounding' the profit. could you please suggest a few preffered ways? one way could be using parlay. but if the series of hits are spaced in every three or four spins, such as for 4-sector bets, then compounding become difficult. then a 'mini' progression, positive or negative, inside flat bet, could be useful. your analysis on this is appreciated.

your ideas of moving average in your previous posts always remind me that  ability of reading it is a gift which can not be actualised without practising on thousands of spins. its the only way forward.

thanks
catalyst

[XXVV]

@catalyst
thanks for your reply and comments.


I am looking only to compound the results from the end of every session, so the internal bets and movement within a session are irrelevant. If its a break even thats ok, and even a small loss, but generally I believe it is possible to compound +5% net on your overall risk bank per session. That could be daily and it includes minor setbacks.


I have a dear and trusted colleague who is compounding at 7% over the past 3-4 months.


At this stage he is quietly building up his unit value having started from the bottom and smallest unit value on inside table bets. He steps up his unit value every 14th session


Stepping can be for example 2 to 3 to 5 units - not doubling.


The compounding is the net overall bank sum growth. By moving to higher unit values the compounding can remain at 7% but the total sum is expanding  more rapidly.


This has vast implications which we are only just starting to realise, understand, believe and utilise!


Reading of a game does take practice of course but it is simply to find a simple and fast way to dig below the surface a little. It requires focus, attention, alertness, intelligence and a method.


The moving average need be a very simple device and I will give an example next post.

[XXVV]

Okay lets say we have 5 targets on straight up numbers based on a core target and two neighbours either side, in this case of the wheel layout.


From over 100 real spins from yesterday's live play in the casino here are the spaces between hits as they unfolded:


2 spins
and then hit on the 4th spin and so on




ie so the format is


2       
4
12     ...18 wait for three coup outcomes before assessing the m/a - this may require 10-50 spins
1          17 and signal to attack and we win on the 3 spacing
3          16 again attack and we win on the 7 spin spacing (just)
7          11 signal to attack but loss so we stop
11        21 stop!
19        37
24        54
3          46  okay signal to attack and we win with a 2 spacing
2          29  attack and win with another 2
2           7   attack and win with a 6 spacing but caution now because increasing sum
6          10  stop!
13        21




ie 14 hits in 109 spins


that is an average of approx 1 in 8 slightly greater spread between hits than expected.


The standard expectation on a 37 number wheel is 37/5 being 1 in 7.40


The m/a is simply the sum of the three prior rolling spacings. We have 'transposed' the data into another modelling format to 'read' the game.


Simple and very often effective.


The actual spins from the session were :


20
32
2
2
23
26
17
5
34
10
36
2
..... etc


Hope this helps.


Now those five numbers are core zero section appearing at random.


Overlaying the above approach I have various other methods to signal the increased likelihood of the zero section, based on prior spin sequences ( complex statistical multi set analysis), but also we are working on entirely different ways to predict such outcomes. More on this later.


Overlaying such work with the m/a methods can multiply your betting efficiencies. It does not mean you always win but you know better when to stop and start, and to bet more effectively and obtain greater return on your working capital.


Serious stuff.


Best


XXVV